Quantcast

A gay Libertarian-streaked conservative's perspective on the Chik-fil-A controversy!

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/01 13:50:44
You!
Add Photos & Videos
A gay Libertarian streaked conservative s perspective on the Chik fil A controversy



Bully is as Bully Does

I have to weigh in on the Chick-fil-A controversy. I detest hypocrisy, but the bullying kind of hypocrisy really makes my blood boil. It is especially important for me to take on the gay Left when it comes to hypocrisy, because I am gay and was once immersed in the Left's mentality of intolerance and hypocrisy. It is the Left's tactics of bullying that really leaves a pit in my stomach -- a leftover from my days as a brainwashed liberal.

The only way to fight the Left in regard to their hypocrisy is to point it out. Use analogies they might be able to understand. Here is one:

Suppose a business owner -- oh, let's say a fast food chain owner was an atheist. A Christian town in the South tries to prevent that fast food chain owner from building in that town because they do not believe in God. What do you think the reaction would be from the Left if this scenario played out? Most certainly the ACLU would be right there suing the town due to civil rights violations. There would be loud cries from the Left that freedom of speech is being squashed. Others from the Left would be pointing out with raised fists that atheism is a right granted us in the Constitution as an expression of freedom of religion. (Ok, normally the Left doesn't have any regard for the Constitution unless they feel they can use it in one of their hypocritical rants against the Right.) The words "intolerance", "hatred" and "bullying" would be used nonstop to describe the actions of the CEO at Chick-fil-A.

Let's use another example. What if the owner of the hypothetical fast food chain was a Muslim who believed the Koran defined marriage as between a man and a woman? Would the Left be protesting his stores and bullying him about his religious beliefs threatening to stop the construction of his stores or banning them from a major city? Take that in for a moment. You know what the answer is to that question. The answer is that the bullying of a Christian would be perfectly acceptable...the bullying of a Muslim would not be.

So, let's get back to Chick-fil-A. Is the owner expressing his freedom of speech? Yes. Is he expressing his freedom of religion granted to us by the Constitution? Yes. Is he expressing hatred, bullying or intolerance? Uh...no.

Being a gay Libertarian-streaked conservative, I respect the president of Chick-fil-A's right to believe in the traditional definition of marriage. I am neither offended nor feel the need to bully him into believing something I may believe. He has the right to believe what he wants. As long as he doesn't try to keep me out of his stores because I am gay, I respect his right to feel the way he does about gay marriage. As Governor Palin so deftly pointed out last week, did the Left go after Obama when he believed the same thing about same-sex marriage as the owner of Chick-fil-A did before his campaign for president "evolved"?

Bullying is bad. Hypocrisy is bad. But hypocritical bullying is the lowest and most onerous form of argument. What is accomplished by "winning" an argument by bullying your opponent? Your opponent's heart is not softened or changed to your position. In fact, those who are bullied are more hardened to their own position due to the bullying.

I will be watching the predictable faux rage, bullying, intolerance and hypocrisy against the Christian Right about rights in this country that only the Left seems to feel they are privy to. I will be supporting the rights of a fellow American to the freedom of speech and freedom of religion bestowed on ALL Americans by our Constitution. I will be showing my support not for his beliefs, but for his right and freedom to have those beliefs.

I plan on eating at Chick-fil-A as often as possible to support their right to their freedoms. Sometimes the taste of freedom is so good.


From: The American Thinker

Read More: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/08/bully_...

Add a comment above

Top Opinion

  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/08/01 14:45:01
    Other Thoughts!
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +35
    As a left wing gay man I'll give you my thoughts.

    The government denying permits or zoning to a business because of the owners personal views is not only wrong, it's unconstitutional. The 1st Amendment is clear on this issue and any mayor who tries to keep out Chickl-fil-A will be flushing tax money down the drain defending against a law suit they will most certainly lose. Stupid, ignorant, and un-American as well.

    As for the rest of this:

    Mr. Cathy has the right to express his opinion openly and freely. He has done so. Those who share his beliefs are free to support him. They have done so.

    We who disagree with Mr. Cathy have the right to boycott his businesses and we have done so.

    That is the way the system should work.

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/08/08 00:18:06
    I agree with this article because....
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    You are right on. Thanks for the post.
  • DinOlson 2012/08/06 21:14:45
    I disagree with this article because....
    DinOlson
    He's lying the writer supports the left entirely liberal hypocrisy also involves feigning neutrality....so basically everything he wrote down is not his opinion but a scandal to gain favor in conservatives' eyes. he's not angry at the left, he's all giddy and estatic... The Irony of Liberal Hypocrisy-It's all or Nothing....In Fact The Whole Gay Marriage issue was never about gay rights it was all about destroying America's Christian Foundation and the freedom that millions have fought and died for....if Benedict Arnold were alive today we would all have been handed back over to Britain in a heartbeat.
  • dallasjoe 2012/08/06 15:12:44
    Other Thoughts!
    dallasjoe
    To the author say there is a Small Southern town that has a few Strip clubs down by the Interstate. and the town is OK with it . A gay business owner comes in and wants to place a Gay Strip club on the Internet. Do you think the Christians who supported the orginal Strip clubs would not go APE Crap Everybody has a level of being Hypocrits
  • Constitution Believer 2012/08/04 18:15:52
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/08/03 20:40:02
    I agree with this article because....
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    Many companies have donated to causes with which I don't believe. I don't avoid Starbucks (although I think their beans taste burnt and I get chai tea instead), I don't avoid Home Depot or Amazon or Penney's. Why? Because that is their right to allot the money as they choose. I don't hear for any boycotts of these businesses, do you? Yet because of what I see as a made up controversy over an article in a church magazine that never had the words "gay marriage" in the transcript, a media frenzy was evoked. And it was the far Left wing of the media, the Schulz' and Maddows' and Mahers' who created this. That the pushback was significant demonstrates not that Americans don't want gay marriage and not that Americans hate gays, but that Americans by and large honor the idea and intent of our free speech rights. "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That is what was shown on Wednesday.
  • zebsmom 2012/08/03 03:31:44
    I agree with this article because....
    zebsmom
    +3
    Very well said. He has the constitutionally given right to believe whatever he wants to believe and to support whatever candidates and causes he choses to. If you don't agree with those choices, you have the right to not patronize his establishment.
    I haven't heard that the chain descriminates in employment, contracts or the treatment of their patrons. [I would have a problem with that]
    The left needs to get a life. [Ok, so does the far right for that matter.] Tolerance and freedom of speech should extend to EVERYONE, not just people who share your beliefs or "the chosen few" who one side or the other decide to protect or champion.
  • bmacklowe 2012/08/03 01:54:46
    I agree with this article because....
    bmacklowe
    +2
    I agree with the sentiment in the article, but agree with some that more clarity may be needed. For example, some complain that an atheist owning a business and entering a Christian-dominated town seems benign. When you factor in that most atheists have an agenda to convince Christians that they are fools to worship God, I think it makes a better argument. I do not agree with the owner of Chik-fil-A in supporting groups that promote the idea of some reverse-sexuality methods (as has been rumored). This has been proven dangerous to the mental being of a person, and has never produced positive results. However, I do acknowledge the right of the owner to use his personal money to support whatever cause he wants, provided that said cause is not harming people. This is where I agree most strongly with the article: As long as the business in question serves and hires gays without discriminatory attitudes, let them be. Understandably, some leftist gays are concerned with the owner's ties to disreputable groups. If the owner was promoting the KKK, then everyone would be in an uproar. So we do have to be careful to know where to draw the line. As a fairly conservative gay man, I try to see both sides of this debate.
  • Bill 2012/08/02 18:02:18 (edited)
    I agree with this article because....
    Bill
    +3
    ...he is right about the intolerance coming from the Left (Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton, Jessie, Maddow, etcetera.) Also, the first amendment. The gays say that Chick-Fil-A contributes to anti-gay groups. So what? I'm sure there are some businesses out there that contribute to Planned Parenthood and other pro-abortion groups (N.O.W., etcetera) and no one is saying that that business should no be allowed to exist - maybe just boycotted. The Gay-Left and the Black-Left are among the most intolerant groups out there.
  • zebsmom Bill 2012/08/03 03:33:20
    zebsmom
    +2
    Well said
  • ZachStowe 2012/08/02 17:34:40
    I disagree with this article because....
    ZachStowe
    +1
    The article would have been better without words such as "brainwashed liberal"
    He is missing a key point in the article, the fact that Chick-fil-A has donated millions of dollars into pushing down gays and preventing their freedom of marrying eachother.
    In the atheist and muslim scenarios neither was giving money to organizations to discriminate against people. If the atheist organization was donating money to organizations trying to remove churches from that christian town (which would be similar to what we are seeing in Chick-fil-A) then yes that town would not be wrong to try and push the organization out of their city.
    Very biased argument filled with flaws
  • Mountai... ZachStowe 2012/08/02 22:00:30
    Mountaineer
    +4
    "In the atheist and muslim scenarios neither was giving money to organizations to discriminate against people."

    You know that in the Muslim countries gays are punished by death for being gays, don't you?
  • ZachStowe Mountai... 2012/08/03 02:43:01
    ZachStowe
    Go back and read the article. He did not say "a hypothetical fast food chain in a Muslim country".
    He was talking about in America, where no person is punished by death for being gay (unless you count people such as this one http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... who was beaten to death by a non-muslim by the way)
    You're point, while true, is also completely invalid in this argument
  • TruBluT... ZachStowe 2012/08/03 20:36:03
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    Places like Ann Arbor and Newark have imams petitioning to enforce Shariah. They would be more likely to welcome ChikFilA than Ben&Jerry's if you allow such limitations to be enforced.
  • ZachStowe TruBluT... 2012/08/08 05:22:09
    ZachStowe
    +1
    Good thing Sharia law will never be enforced, nor any religious law
  • redhorse29 2012/08/02 17:33:10
    I agree with this article because....
    redhorse29
    +2
    The article may not cover every aspect of the argument but it is well presented.
  • dheydrick 2012/08/02 16:26:50
    I agree with this article because....
    dheydrick
    +4
    Excellent article. Well said. Thanks.
  • MR. 2012/08/02 15:51:34
    Other Thoughts!
    MR.
    +1
    IT'S *DAVID AND GOLIATH,... ALL OVER AGAIN! *(GUESS WHO WINS?)
  • Justin.Long 2012/08/02 14:18:20
    I agree with this article because....
    Justin.Long
    +3
    It was very spot on and well written
  • tom 2012/08/02 14:10:35
    I disagree with this article because....
    tom
    +1
    The first example was silly and did little to help his argument. If the business owner of a fast food chain was an atheist and a so call "Christian town" decides to prevent that chain from building in that town, that would indeed be wrong. First off, theres no "Christian towns" in America, just towns that may be predominantly Christian. A town, even if it was predominately Christian, would have no right in preventing an atheist from living there, in the same sense they couldn't stop a big business chain from building there. The Atheist is not trying to hurt the Christians rights, but in that situation the Christian is trying to hurt the Atheists. But Chick-Fil-A or whatever it's called helped promote an anti-freedom, anti-gay agenda while claiming to be supporting their own freedom. As far as I am concerned, letting in an anti-civil rights group is very different then letting in a atheist group into a christian town.
  • ZachStowe tom 2012/08/02 17:37:03
    ZachStowe
    +1
    I'm glad I'm not the only person to see this flaw in his argument :)
  • SYLVIA CROWDER 2012/08/02 13:44:01
    I agree with this article because....
    SYLVIA CROWDER
    +3
    I agree because , it was freedom of speech. Cathy has a right to his own opinion and a right to tell whoever will listen.
  • kmay 2012/08/02 13:36:54 (edited)
    I agree with this article because....
    kmay
    +3
    We can agree to disagree with a persons opinion, respecting them as individuals, without personal or economic bullying.
  • zebsmom kmay 2012/08/03 03:34:20
    zebsmom
    Well said
  • K-ZOOMI-----0 2012/08/02 13:35:41
    I agree with this article because....
    K-ZOOMI-----0
    +2
    A very well written and thought out article.
    I am waiting for the MSM to even report of yesterday honestly.
    I'll be waiting till the cows come home I guess. >_<
  • zebsmom K-ZOOMI... 2012/08/03 03:34:36
    zebsmom
    +2
    Well said
  • K-ZOOMI... zebsmom 2012/08/03 04:00:23
  • Maynard 2012/08/02 13:13:01
    Other Thoughts!
    Maynard
    +4
    Very well written Article.

    It proves that Lefties can be cured.

    And that Righties like me can listen to ANYONES opinion with RESPECT.
  • dave b 2012/08/02 13:10:03
    I agree with this article because....
    dave b
    +4
    Because this article is 100% on target. He points out the complete hypocrisy of the agenda driven "progressives" who only care about what is important to them and to hell with fairness to all.
  • CAPISCE 2012/08/02 13:05:22
    Other Thoughts!
    CAPISCE
    +2
    Yesterday's turn out at CHICK-FIL-A should come as no surprise.
    Although the Liberal media would like you believe America accepts Gay marriage the reality is just the opposite.
    Gay marriage was put to vote in 33 states and all 33 states voted it down---that's the reality
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/08/02 12:10:37
    Other Thoughts!
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    I mostly agree. However, who cares what they think? If you don't like it, don't eat there.
  • sbtbill 2012/08/02 07:35:10
    Other Thoughts!
    sbtbill
    +2
    I don't like chicken so I have never eaten there. However, as long as they do not discriminate I think the owner should be able to have what ever views on gays he wants.
  • kofp 2012/08/02 07:18:14
    I agree with this article because....
    kofp
    +2
    Why are the Christians always being bullied for their beliefs but not people of other faiths? It's so simple, White Christians are the only thing getting in the way of the Zionists and their New World Order agenda. Zionists are the world's real terrorists. They gave us The Federal Reserve, never ending wars throughout the world, 9/11, The "Patriot" Act, the surveillance state and the TSA.
  • Defend ... kofp 2012/08/02 10:39:53
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    muslim terrorist did 9/11

    .
    11 Nurses Poisoned for Eating During Ramadan...
    http://www.asianews.it/news-e...

    Sharia Rules Impede Women from Getting Passports for Kids
    http://timesofindia.indiatime...
  • ben 2012/08/02 05:56:49
    I agree with this article because....
    ben
    +4
    It's nice to know that people can be so understanding of those who don't agree with them, I love seeing this, espeacially on this intolerant place known as the Internet. God bless you.
  • SunnyOne 2012/08/02 05:35:12
    I disagree with this article because....
    SunnyOne
    +4
    Speaking of hypocrisy, I don't see any conservatives here announcing that they will stop boycotting JCPenney, Target, General Mills, Sears, Hallmark, or any of the other companies they have attacked in recent months for supporting gay rights.

    Those companies are only exercising their free speech, don'tcha know??
  • Defend ... SunnyOne 2012/08/02 10:41:03
    Defend Western Civlization
    +4
    its not Conservatives in government blocking them from opening businesses
    its a Elite Liberal Progressive Leader and Obama backer doing that
  • Bill SunnyOne 2012/08/02 18:07:10
    Bill
    +1
    But no city official has said that they don't want them in their cities because of whom they support. Look. You get money for your (gay) side and we get money for our (straight) side and that's the way it is. Stop your bellyaching about who CFA contributes to or supports. Your side has its own supporters and donators.
  • SunnyOne Bill 2012/08/02 18:55:20
    SunnyOne
    +2
    Stop being such a hypocrite.

    Some officials have openly opposed Planned Parenthood clinics in their cities. Where is your moral outrage over THAT??

    I'll give you one of many examples. Here's a clip of a 2010 city council meeting in Auburn Hills, MI regarding one such attack on Planned Parenthood:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Michigan State Rep. Tom McMillin also voiced his opposition to the clinic.

    This past June, Planned Parenthood decided not to open a location in Auburn Hills, but has one in Ferndale, about 25 miles away.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/ar...
  • Bill SunnyOne 2012/08/02 19:41:41 (edited)
    Bill
    Ah, I see. I guess killing babies is supposed to be acceptable but opposition to gay marriage is not. The CFA matter was about a corporate opinion and really affected no one except those that WANTED to be offended and wanted everyone else they could find to also be offended.

    Planned Parenthood provides (even if indirectly) ABORTION services which is profoundly different from an OPINION. My attitude is not hypocritical, yours is.

    Maybe someone can open up a chain restaurant associated with PP and call it "BABBY-FIL-A". It seems an appropriate name. Specials Today: 3 month old fetuses, 6 month old fetus legs (deep fried or grilled) and 9 month old partial birth abortion brain soup. Maybe you and your friends can line up outside of their stores in "moral support" of what they do in supporting PP.

    There is a big difference between eating dead chickens and killing living babies (fetuses).
  • SunnyOne Bill 2012/08/07 20:56:47
    SunnyOne
    Not all Planned Parenthood clinics provide abortions, you know. And, in case you've forgotten, abortion is legal in this country. Fetus worshippers who blockade clinics, attack patients, and murder doctors in the name of "life" are some of the worst hypocrites in existence.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 10 Next » Last »

See Votes by State

The map above displays the winning answer by region.

News & Politics

2013/05/22 20:37:01

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals