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A few things to consider about the Mormon faith.

Sinpac 2012/05/17 20:08:04

Can true Christians really be a part of this Religion?

Mormons Are trying To Convert You


A standard door-to-door proselyting pitch began with, "We represent The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Interrupting, many people
said they had their own religion. "Oh, we're not trying to convert you,"
I responded. "We're sharing a message for all faiths." Mormon missionaries have one overriding goal, and that's to bring converts into the church.

The Bible is Insufficient

According to the Book of Mormons the eighth Article of Faith, Mormons accept the Bible
as the word of God only when it's translated correctly. How convenient
for a missionary. When a non-Mormon's interpretation of scripture
differed from mine, Mormons frequently blamed faulty Bible translation. And
since Mormons believed the Bible was missing "many plain and precious things,"
as the Book of Mormon claims in 1 Nephi 13:28-29, They urged prospective
converts not to trust it completely.


And yet, Mormon proof texts had few translation problems. Throughout
my mission, they used only those Bible verses that steered prospects away
from their church and toward Mormonism. But what kind of Christian
believes that an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God gave
mankind an inadequate version of His word. Actually, the Bible is more
than sufficient. With its 66 books, 1,189 chapters and nearly 740,000
words, it's the divine road map to eternal life through Jesus Christ. the Only True Christians


Mormons are the Only True Christians

For decades, the Mormon Church has tried to blend with mainstream
Christianity. Accordingly, during my mission a quarter-century ago, They
worked hard to convince prospects that Mormons believe in the biblical
Jesus. But Paul warned of deceivers who would lure Christians away from
"the simplicity that is in Christ." These false teachers preached
"another Jesus" and "another gospel" (2 Corinthians 11: 3-4) and were
accursed (see Galatians 1:8-9). How interesting that Paul also cautions
against false apostles, such as those in the Mormon Church (2
Corinthians 11:13-14).


So which Jesus and gospel do Mormons preach? While a missionary, They
taught that Christ was the firstborn spirit child of the Father in a
premortal life. (The remainder of humanity was born as spirits later in
this "pre-existence.") But they didn't tell prospects this was a literal
birth, the result of literal fathering, as Mormon prophets and apostles
have claimed. If asked, they teach that the devil was born as one of God's
noble spirit sons during the pre-existence, but had rebelled and
started a war in heaven.


Consistent with Mormon doctrine, then, Christ and Satan are spirit
brothers. But the Bible teaches that Christ is God (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6;
John 1:1), that He has always been God (Psalm 90:2), and that He always
will be God (Hebrews 13:8). Born into mortality some 2,000 years ago,
Jesus is "God... manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). He is far
grander and holier than "our Elder Brother," as Mormons dub Him. Jesus
and Satan aren't spirit brothers, and true Christians don't believe such
blasphemy.

Mormons Believe That They Have The Only True Church

Mormons usually tell this lie during the first of seven 30-minute
missionary lessons, which presented the Joseph Smith story. According to
our script, Smith prayed in 1820 about which church to join. He claimed
the Father and Son appeared and told him that all Christian churches of
the day were wrong. Smith said he was forbidden to join any of them,
that their creeds were abominable and their professors all corrupt.
"They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from
me," the Lord allegedly added. "They teach for doctrines the
commandments of men" (Joseph Smith — History, verse 19). In subsequent
lessons, I told prospects that Mormonism is the true church God restored
through Smith.


But the Bible says such a restoration was unnecessary. Admittedly,
there was partial apostasy after Christ's resurrection, but never a
complete falling away. In fact, shortly before His crucifixion, Jesus
promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church
(Matthew 16:18). During my mission, however, I argued that the gates of
hell did prevail against Christ's church.


The Apostle Paul writes, "Unto [God] be glory
in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end.
Amen" (Ephesians 3:21). God received glory in the Christian church from
the time of Paul's writing to the present day, and He will receive such
glory throughout all succeeding generations. Therefore, the church must
exist from Paul's day throughout eternity. This annihilates Mormon
claims of complete apostasy and makes restoration of Christ's church
impossible.

Mormons Believe People Can Become Gods

Given its explosive nature, this tenet was rarely shared with
prospective converts. Missionaries try to entice people into Mormonism
gradually, and presenting the doctrine of plural gods is seldom the best
way. Several contacts learned the concept from their pastors or read
about it on their own, but it was new to most prospects.


"Our Father in heaven loves us so much," I often said, parroting our
lesson script, "that He provided a plan [Mormonism] for us to become
like him." I didn't mention that Mormon godhood includes spirit
procreation throughout eternity. Neither did I hint that the Mormon God
was formerly a mortal man, had lived on an earth like ours, and had
earned salvation through good works. However, such polytheism strips God
of glory and sovereignty. No wonder the Bible condemns it so strongly.
When discussing plural gods on my mission, I sidestepped Isaiah 44:8
whenever possible. "Is there a God beside me?" the passage reads. "Yea,
there is no God; I know not any." Other verses amply testify that only
one God exists in the universe (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isaiah
43:10-11; 45:21-23).


When confronted with these scriptures as a missionary, I usually
countered with, "Those verses mean we worship only one God, that there's
only one God to us." And if that failed, I lied further: "The Bible
isn't clear on this subject. Fortunately, the Lord told Joseph Smith
that mortals can become gods." Smith might have had a revelation, but
not from God.

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  • Willie 2012/05/17 20:44:59
    Willie
    +5
    So they based it in part of their religion on ancient legends, then bent some of it to their purposes, invented some new stuff and threw away some stuff. That sounds exactly like every other variety of Christianity I've heard of.

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  • Jane 2012/05/18 15:31:41
    Jane
    +1
    All religions try to convert you to their particular delusion.
  • Sinpac Jane 2012/05/18 20:05:16
    Sinpac
    That is very true
  • Jane Sinpac 2012/05/19 09:54:26
    Jane
    +1
    But I'm not going for delusional, my hippy days are long gone.
  • flaca BN-0 2012/05/17 22:45:45
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    I feel more secure knowing that Obama has a broad, expansive view of God and the church, than a Mormon that's for sure. And Romney's "donations" have in the bulk been to his church. That worries me.................a lot.
  • Paul 2012/05/17 21:50:16
    Paul
    +1
    It's another religion that has some of it's own beliefs that seperate them from other religions. I respect the Mormons and their right to believe their faith, as I do with any other religious faith.
  • aherbert 2012/05/17 21:44:35
  • JCD aka "biz" 2012/05/17 21:17:25
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    They are not Christians. BTW, I was approached here in France more than 40 years ago by two very polite young Mormon missionaries. Maybe one of them was a young man by the name of Mitt something.
  • David Lindner 2012/05/17 21:10:27
    David Lindner
    those are not true at all. if you want to get the truth, go to their website:

    www.mormon.org

    mormons put the bible before the book of mormon.

    flagged for religious hate.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:22:36
    Sinpac
    It is true! quit trying to start the spin. I was not slamming the religion!
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:23:45
    David Lindner
    do not tell me what i practice or believe.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:24:48
    Sinpac
    Oh geez a fanatic!
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:25:53
    David Lindner
    Oh geez a bigot!
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:42:24
    Sinpac
    So I am a bigot because I have an opposing view.
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:52:26
    David Lindner
    youre a bigot because of your aggressive, and demonizing tone.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:59:53
    Sinpac
    How in the world do you figure I have been aggresive you are the one who attacked me. Come on Bud, do you not believe in freedom of speach or do I only have freedom of speach when it complies with your way of thinking?
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/18 00:34:18
    David Lindner
    I didnt attack you. i corrected you by sending you to their site.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/18 00:09:56
    Sinpac
    I might suggest you reading a book called Winter Rain by Terry C. Johnston. I think you will enjoy it.
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/18 00:35:39
    David Lindner
    ill take a look at it
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:25:46
    Sinpac
    Were in my reply did I tell you how to practice or believe?
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:26:53
    David Lindner
    The Bible is Insufficient
    According to the Book of Mormons the eighth Article of Faith, Mormons accept the Bible
    as the word of God only when it's translated correctly. How convenient
    for a missionary. When a non-Mormon's interpretation of scripture
    differed from mine, Mormons frequently blamed faulty Bible translation. And
    since Mormons believed the Bible was missing "many plain and precious things,"
    as the Book of Mormon claims in 1 Nephi 13:28-29, They urged prospective
    converts not to trust it completely.


    And yet, Mormon proof texts had few translation problems. Throughout
    my mission, they used only those Bible verses that steered prospects away
    from their church and toward Mormonism. But what kind of Christian
    believes that an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God gave
    mankind an inadequate version of His word. Actually, the Bible is more
    than sufficient. With its 66 books, 1,189 chapters and nearly 740,000
    words, it's the divine road map to eternal life through Jesus Christ. the Only True Christians


    this is completely false.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:27:55
    Sinpac
    No it's not.
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:29:40
    David Lindner
    so wait, youre telling someone who grew up, read the book of mormon inside out, as well as the bible, stayed with their faith, that theyre wrong, right?
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:34:33
    Sinpac
    I only question your interpretation. Ever heard of Jim Bridger?
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:40:21
    David Lindner
    no i question your interpretation, and no
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:43:37
    Sinpac
    So studied Mormonism and you don't know Jim Bridger.......odd.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:24:11
    Sinpac
    If you look real close at my post you will find the sources in the paragraphs
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:25:38
    David Lindner
    what reliable sources? ones you get from nutjob scholars that havent even participated in the religion?
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:26:48 (edited)
    Sinpac
    I guess the book of Mormons where the info came from is not reliable!~ OK DOKAY
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:28:53
    David Lindner
    considering you interpreted a false meaning of what it says? yes I would think so. mormons believe they are the true church, but they do not believe theyre the true christians and actually in the LDS articles of faith, which is an establishment of what they believe, they believe in the respect and encourage trying other religions.
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:30:14
    Sinpac
    That is your interpretation!
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:30:53
    David Lindner
    kind of like the interpretation that you peeled off some hate site right?
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:35:18
    Sinpac
    Where is the hate? show me where I posted hate?
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:36:06
    Sinpac
    I posted a point of view. Because I question religion I am some how called a hater. Thats a joke!
  • David L... Sinpac 2012/05/17 23:41:25
    David Lindner
    Its the spin and the tone you took to it in the paragraph. it clearly outlines and points in a direction isnt true about the church
  • Sinpac David L... 2012/05/17 23:51:12
    Sinpac
    There was no spin. It's a point of view.
  • Willie 2012/05/17 20:44:59
    Willie
    +5
    So they based it in part of their religion on ancient legends, then bent some of it to their purposes, invented some new stuff and threw away some stuff. That sounds exactly like every other variety of Christianity I've heard of.
  • ProudProgressive 2012/05/17 20:19:05
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    As with any religion, the degree to which Mormons embrace the more "controversial" aspects of their faith varies. I have known several Mormons and while they are happy to discuss the details of Mormonism, they've never tried to convert me. I respect their right to believe what they want to, and as long as they grant me the same respect I have no problem with them.
  • Sinpac ProudPr... 2012/05/17 20:33:05
    Sinpac
    +1
    True PP, I have not been approach by the LDS as of yet.
  • Sport_G... ProudPr... 2012/05/17 20:43:43
    Sport_Geoff
    +2
    People say Jahovah's Witness members are pushy and overbearing and some are but I worked for a Jahovah's witness as an appraiser trainee for nearly 3 1/2 years. He and his wife are two of the finest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and calling friend. Same as your experience, they never tried to convert me, did not constantly preach at me, and if I asked him a question about his faith he always gave me a clear answer to my question without going into telling me why I was wrong and not obeying God's word.
    There are zealots in all religions but the entire religion should not be judged by the actions of some.
  • BigFig#9 2012/05/17 20:12:17
    BigFig#9
    +1
    Many it sounds like those Mormans are as loonie as the rest of the religious world!

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