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A Dearth of Agricultural Workers?

~ The Rebel ~ 2012/06/15 23:03:19

Press accounts abound of the problems of agricultural producers who cannot find workers to harvest their crops. Even NYC Mayor Bloomberg, who has a penchant for pontificating about things of which he has little or no knowledge, jumped on this bandwagon in the CNN special report on immigration on June 10 when he cited the problems of farmers abandoning crops to rot for lack of workers.

Usually not mentioned in these stories – as it was not in the CNN report – is the fact that a legal agricultural guest worker program exists that can bring in an unlimited number of foreign workers if U.S. workers are unavailable. An exception to this generalization was published by the Independent Mail in South Carolina on June 8, 2012. This article, circulated by Scripps Howard News Service, notes that the H-2A visa program for agricultural workers exists, but, “If he used the program … he would have to increase his employees’ wages to $9.50 an hour from an estimated $7.67, which is the minimum wage in Florida.”

The article explains that the salary requirement results from a provision that is regulated by the U.S. Department of Labor

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  • MW121 2012/06/22 12:02:12
    MW121
    +1
    We need to comprehensive plan on illegals immigrant workers.. My family farms and we no longer hire, but we do hire a contractor that has to deal with the illegal vs legal immigrant workers.. The laws became overwhelming and it was just not cost effective to hire our own employees. Just recently in our town, immigration came through and grabbed over 400 illegals and now people are scrambling to find workers to harvest.. Funny how there are so many out of work legal americans, but no one seems to be turning out to the farms to find work.
  • ~ The R... MW121 2012/06/22 13:11:43
    ~ The Rebel ~
    +1
    A sign of the times? My family was in farming for over a hundred years and the high school kids and ones home from college for the summer were happy to work for us. Sure isn't that way anymore...
  • MW121 ~ The R... 2012/06/22 14:59:30
    MW121
    +1
    Totally agree.. That's how I earned money when I was growing up... Today, I don't think I've never seen a non-hispanic ever coming out to look for work on our farm.
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/16 06:33:30 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Do you now grasp the reasons why there is an influx of illegal immigrants into the United States who do the work no one else will do? Conversely, when we diminish the influx with
    blustering and arrests, the crops begin to rot in the fields and agriculture interests, particularly large public corporations in that business, begin to pressure all agencies to lighten up on the rhetoric and actions.

    So, all of you who whine and cry so loudly about those open borders, prepare to replace your favorite foods with things imported from Brazil or Mexico rather than "locally grown" produce. The lacking immigration policies are not as simple and easily modified as you
    would believe. Or, being the "patriots" that you are, take a job in the fields and help harvest the crops for the $8-9 an hour that such labor provides.
  • Studied Ambassa... 2012/06/17 15:00:49
    Studied
    Illegals are used to avoid paying fair wages. If the growers offered fair wages, most of the problem would be resolved.
  • Ambassa... Studied 2012/06/17 15:16:12 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    "Fair wages" is what the market will accept. In the case of farm workers it is essentally the minimum leagal wage. Without the "legal" wage it would be even less. Growers are the very first to complain every time the Federal Minimum Wage is increased, always telling that they will have to go out of business if a dime is added to the legal wage.

    Growers use "illegals" to avoid paying not only the minimum wage, but payroll taxes of every kind. They pay a "Contractor" who pays the workers whatever is the local bargaining rate. That is a part of the "free market" that most who propose the idea would like to ignore.
  • ~ The R... Ambassa... 2012/06/17 19:04:40
    ~ The Rebel ~
    Take away the food stamps and all the other freebies and you might give people an incentive to go to work...
  • Ambassa... ~ The R... 2012/06/18 04:48:44
    Ambassador II
    Friend of my family will apply for food stamps tomorrow, having been without a job for nearly a year. She also will lose her home to foreclosure soon, She has two small children, divorced, has never been without a job for fifteen years. You are crass and
    poorly informend, of course, the typical RWNJ. There are many times more willing workers than there are jobs available. That is the end result of thirty years of "Reaganomics". Wall Street is still hiring graduates of ivy league colleges and offspring of very wealthy parents, but the rest of the economy is trashed and struggling.
  • ~ The R... Ambassa... 2012/06/18 04:58:18
    ~ The Rebel ~
    I worked in the fields for a lot less than what they're paying now to support my daughter and I. And I can't understand people that think they're above that type of work...
  • Ambassa... ~ The R... 2012/06/18 06:40:36 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Americans have placed themselves "above" a lot of work, particularly stoop labor such as agriculture field work, chicken houses, roofing, food service, etc... That is why Reagan opened the borders of California in the early 1970s and made a very successful program of "union busting" with the flood of "undocumented workers".

    Were there no "undocumented workers" or immigrants to take these jobs, Americans would demand higher wages and some benefits, which would require that they form a collective barganing association for themselves, a Union. Then, either the cost of agriculture products would be increased or the profits of the growers and packers would decrease, probably some of both. Wall Street would claim the world was about to end and nothing would ever be good again. Politicians would be damned for allowing the workers to organize and bargain for their wages, and Republicans would soil themselves with their anger that anyone should dare to reduce the profits of a corporation by demanding a decent wage. Tyson Foods CEO would probably receive somthing less than a $45Million bonus this year, and you can begin to see how the economy would begin to collapse if that happened.
  • ~ The R... Ambassa... 2012/06/18 12:47:39
    ~ The Rebel ~
    I'd agree with any method to bust the unions. That's the problem... most think they're worth way more than they really are. It used to be if you wanted a paycheck you went to work and if you didn't like the job/pay you moved on. It's kind of hard for most people to understand once the union gets involved the cost goes up. Doesn't make much sense to get higher wages and turn around and pay more just to put it in the pocket of some union.
  • Ambassa... ~ The R... 2012/06/18 20:35:32 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    The "pay more" problem begins with the excess spending of those we elect to Congress and the demands that the corporate world place on them for gifts, grants, tax concessions, and ignoring governance.

    Without unions there would not have been an American middle class, retirement programs, medical or dental insurances, IRAs, 401ks, employer stock option plans, miner's hospitals and Black Lung benefits, OSHA, or other safety measures in the workplace. Our labor force would still be working "at will" for the Rockefellers, Mellons, Carneiges, Vanderbilts, Crockers, Stanfords, and six other families who accumulated all the wealth of the nation.

    Today these same interests are more clever, hiding their names behind the likes of Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, EXXON, Pfizer, Bain Capital and a dozen other hedge funds. Without OSHA, EPA, SEC, and other Agencies controlling the pillagers, we all would live in rental houses and carry lunch pails to the dangerous work places where disease, death, and pain were made.
  • ~ The R... Ambassa... 2012/06/19 03:14:42
    ~ The Rebel ~
    Farmers were middle class and they didn't belong to unions. It was hard work and long hours but was a very rewarding lifestyle.
  • Ambassa... ~ The R... 2012/06/19 22:21:59
    Ambassador II
    So? Are you suggesting that we should have by-passed the industrial revolution and the technological age? A few states chose to do that and they have not yet caught up with the 21st Century.
  • ~ The R... Ambassa... 2012/06/20 01:50:28
    ~ The Rebel ~
    I'm suggesting that unions weren't necessary if the government was going to form agencies that did the same thing.
  • Ambassa... ~ The R... 2012/06/20 02:08:52
    Ambassador II
    We can't rewrite the history of labor unions in the past two centuries. We are what we now are and need to focus on the realities of what is and what needs to be. All else is in the "fiction" section at Barnes and Noble".
  • JanHopkins 2012/06/16 03:58:38
    JanHopkins
    +1
    Michigan is having the opposite problem. The schools have fewer kids in them this year because the fruit crop got frozen out and the migrants are not coming in to harvest. The schools are now suffering from budget cuts although I don't see the big problem since they will have fewer kids to teach.
  • lm1b2 2012/06/16 00:56:02
    lm1b2
    +1
    The federal gov. runs a visa program for farm workers,instead of Mexicans coming here illegally they ought to use it! I don't believe their is a shortage.
  • ~ The R... lm1b2 2012/06/16 01:20:32
    ~ The Rebel ~
    They shouldn't have to pay extra to hire ones that come here through the visa program...
  • lm1b2 ~ The R... 2012/06/17 20:33:31
    lm1b2
    Are you referring to a livable wage,versus hiring a illegal at half the price by any chance?If we start putting the Employers in jail that are hiring these illegals we would not be having this conversation!
  • ~ The R... lm1b2 2012/06/17 20:36:34
    ~ The Rebel ~
    All depends on what you mean by a livable wage. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up the ladder. That's what I did. There's no shame to living within a budget...
  • lm1b2 ~ The R... 2012/06/17 20:37:48
    lm1b2
    Their is if your hiring illegal aliens!
  • ~ The R... lm1b2 2012/06/17 20:40:43
    ~ The Rebel ~
    They already get housing and free medical. What more do you want to give them.
  • Studied 2012/06/15 23:49:42
    Studied
    +1
    Guess if they cannot find workers, they are not hungry enough or the government is paying them more than the job would.

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