"A Day which will live in Infamy", on this day in history...
Tits ISHBAHFF McGee
2011/12/07 16:54:51
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5166
The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941,
stunned virtually everyone in the United States military. Japan’s
carrier-launched bombers found Pearl Harbor totally unprepared.
President Franklin Roosevelt quickly addressed Congress to ask for a
declaration of war as illustrated in this audio excerpt. Although he
never mentioned Europe or the fact that Germany had by then declared war
on the United States, the Pearl Harbor attack allowed him to begin the
larger intervention in the European war he had long wanted.
lest we forget.
Can you even imagine how different the world would be looking back if things had not of transpired as they did?




The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941,
stunned virtually everyone in the United States military. Japan’s
carrier-launched bombers found Pearl Harbor totally unprepared.
President Franklin Roosevelt quickly addressed Congress to ask for a
declaration of war as illustrated in this audio excerpt. Although he
never mentioned Europe or the fact that Germany had by then declared war
on the United States, the Pearl Harbor attack allowed him to begin the
larger intervention in the European war he had long wanted.
lest we forget.
Can you even imagine how different the world would be looking back if things had not of transpired as they did?

























He spent the next 3 1/2 years making a total of 12 landings, never later than the second wave. Out of the 200 man Company that went to support the Marines in Guadalcanal (Marines didn't have SeaBees help yet, so they 'borrowed' the Army Engineers) only 12 of the original men were there when he came home. He had been on islands for 4 1/2 years, never home.
That, my friends, is Sacrifice.
*moment of silence for those lost*
That day forever changed not only the lives of every US citizen, but it also changed the course of our future forever. Sad, sad day. Thanks mcgee :)
I can't imagine how we'd be living if WW2 hadn't of ended up the way it did or if it didn't happen.
thank YOU!
You must miss him alot.
You were very lucky to have him.
I feel for the men who had to live after the war with the memories of it. I can't imagine being "normal" afterwards. They see things, we can't imagine.
I agree veterans should not be forgotten!
I think buddhism values life fairlyinteresting. Their death rituals and sickness rituals are very interesting as well.
Hinduism, I guess when you think about it, can be seen as strange.
That would be upsetting to see IMO.
I didn't know they threw remains in the rive! good grief!
when terrorists sneak attacked innocent Americans without provocation and
over 3000 died.
Obviously, I wasn't around for WW2, but the images of 9/11 will never be forgotten to me either.
a day of infamy indeed.
If you go into some shady aspects of the government, you com across the McCollum memo which states:
"If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war."
Although not a smoking gun, as apparently there is no evidence FDR read it (aside from doing everything suggested in the memo), it does suggest that there was some dubious activity behind the scenes.
But one thing that is undeniable is the internment of the Japanese Americans.
There is also the issue of how the war ended. Months before MacArthur pointed out that the Japanese were ready to surrender with one condition - allow the Empire to still exist after the war. But instead the government pushed for an unconditional surrender. Interestingly enough, the "unconditional surrender" included a condition. The Japanese Empire was allowed to still rule.
Many people believe FDR didn't get into the war quick enough, and the fact they waited so long was wrong.
For the war, I dont know whether it was right or wrong for us to get involved, but I dont believe that the attack on our soil was unprovoked (whether intentional or not, our foreign policy was pissing off japan), and I completely disagree with many of the actions during the war. Especially dropping the Atomic Bombs and illegal internment of many Japanese-Americans that were still loyal to America after their treatment.
I'm not sure what actions during the war you mean but I would say the bomb was a scary thing. That changed the coarse the world has been on ever since.
And yes, treating the Japanese americans like that was wrong. Same as how muslims are grouped together and treated these days.
The history books say we were isolationist... but we were far from that. The Us government was deeply diplomatically involved.
Whether it was intentional or not... I dont know but there is evidence that some elements of the government did want the attack on Pearl Harbor.
As for the bomb, I originally thought it was the best option as I believed the false dilemma taught in schools (bomb or invasion). But today i'm more aware of the general's opinions and analyses of the war, and have come to the conclusion that there were at least 2 other options. One, accept the conditional surrender as suggested by MacArthur. Or two, take the suggestion of one of the men that dropped the atomic bombs. It would have been better to just continue bombardments until Japan had the choice of unconditional surrender to America or to Russia as Russia was coming now that the European theater was over. Obviously they would have to choose to surrender to America.
thank you for the history lesson. I'm not a war buff at all.
Denials of mistreatment of prisoners of war declared that they were being well-treated by virtue of bushido generosity.[23] Broadcast interviews with prisoners were also described as being not propaganda but out of sympathy with the enemy, ...
Denials of mistreatment of prisoners of war declared that they were being well-treated by virtue of bushido generosity.[23] Broadcast interviews with prisoners were also described as being not propaganda but out of sympathy with the enemy, such sympathy as only bushido could inspire.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Here's another perspective from American, British and Japanese historians.
The work by American historians has been reinforced by the labours of their Japanese counterparts. The Japanese peace feelers directed at the Soviet Union have been exposed as belated attempts to delay a Soviet entry into the war, not genuine attempts at negotiation.
(It has also been shown that the Japanese were demanding very much more than a guarantee of the emperor’s safety, for example a guarantee of no Allied occupation of Japan, before they would consider serious negotiations.)
Also thanks to the work of Japanese historians, we now know much more about Japanese plans in the summer of 1945. Japan had no intention of surrendering. It had husbanded over 8,000 aircraft, many of them Kamikazes, hundreds of explosive-packed suicide boats, and over two million well equipped regular soldiers, backed by a huge citizen’s militia. When the Americans landed, the Japanese intended to hit them with everything they had, to impose on them casualties that might break their will. If this did not do it, then the remnants of the army and the militias would fight on as guerrillas, protected by the mountains and by the civilian population.
Japanese and American historians have also shown that at the centre of the military system was the Emperor Hirohito, not the hapless prisoner of militarist generals, the version promulgated by MacArthur in 1945 to save him from a war crimes trial, but an all-powerful warlord, who had guided Japan’s aggressive expansion at every turn. Hirohito’s will had not been broken by defeats at land or sea, it had not been broken by the firestorms or by the effects of the blockade, and it would certainly not have been broken by the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, something the Japanese had anticipated for months.
What broke Hirohito’s will was the terrible new weapon, a single bomb which could kill a hundred thousand at a time. Suddenly Japan was no longer fighting other men, but the very forces of the universe. The most important target the bombs hit was Hirohito’s mind - it shocked him into acknowledging that he could not win the final, climatic battle.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/...
Its an interesting read on this topic if your interested?
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
"Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71. "
On May 28, 1945, Hoover visited President Truman and suggested a way to end the Pacific war quickly: "I am convinced that if you, as President, will make a shortwave broadcast to the people of Japan - tell them they can have their Emperor if they surrender, that it will not mean unconditional surrender except for the militarists - you'll get a peace in Japan - you'll have...
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
"Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71. "
On May 28, 1945, Hoover visited President Truman and suggested a way to end the Pacific war quickly: "I am convinced that if you, as President, will make a shortwave broadcast to the people of Japan - tell them they can have their Emperor if they surrender, that it will not mean unconditional surrender except for the militarists - you'll get a peace in Japan - you'll have both wars over."
Richard Norton Smith, An Uncommon Man: The Triumph of Herbert Hoover, pg. 347.
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.