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Association of Medical Colleges: Even if doctors do not quit, massive shortage coming because of law

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Your comments regarding over use of the ER's are relevant, for sure. If the patients are on Medicaid, then the hospitals and the ambulance services are going to get their money. If not, they still may get federal funds to cover at least some of the costs as the federal government doesn't want the hopitals to go broke because of things like this. Looks like the federal government might do well to tie funding to demonstrated efforts to avoid such ambulance rides and ER visits. That is a federal government SNAFU and has nothing to do with what you call whacked GOP govornors. In the non-medicaid cases, we are talking about hospital districts NOT state governments. In Medicaid funded ambulance rides, I would suggest a co-pay to end such foolishness. However, I have no doubt that some Democrat somewhere just soiled themselves at the very suggestion of a copay. Draconian, ya know?
2/ The government is funding the expansion of medcaid the the GOP governors are refusing the $$$ to expand this. They will lose in the end, because it saves money.
3/ If someone can see a primary care doctor to get an RX filled instead of going to the ER in the middle of the night... that SAVES money. A LOT of money!
This program helps save money across the board. I know, you hate it because you think someone else will get medical care who you would rather just die. But, in the long run for those who do live, this saves money, period.
My daughter was denied insurance when we looked for a private policy for her, because of pre existing condition. Now because of this bill, she can not be denied. AND the premiums went way down too! Her's was over $500 a month just through her dads work. Now I can get her a private policy for anywhere from $109 to $163... I have them on a spread sheet right here.
And then ask yourself... did all of these things happen in MA? Did doctors leave? state go bankrupt? People die? Premiums rise? None of the above happened. they just plain improved their health care system in that state.
Bottom line, it worked.
If this does not work, google Romneycare massachusetts health care reform
Very good article.
This whole deal was implemented in Massachussets in 2006.... no one died, no doctors ran away and quit, they did not have less people covered, but more instead and the state saved a lot of money... also insurance premiums went way down too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/k...
Here is a reality. Your daughter MUST have insurance., as mine. They must have it or else. If the insurance companies were allowed to continue, they could drop our daughters at will any time, put caps on their coverage... and dump them for any reason. Our daughters were lucky, they were not dropped, but w/out this bill in place they very well could be.
I had an accident 2 days ago. I had to see a doctor, I am uninsured, denied for prexisting condition. Can not get insurance until 2014. I could not get in anywhere, no doctors offices, no "free clinics", no low income clinics, no where... none. Today, finally was able to get a ride into the ER, my only last resort. The doctor could not believe I was not in there 2 days ago, but reality is, no insurance, unable to even walk, let alone drive, been crawling to get to the bathroom, and no, have not even eaten. But had to do the damn ER thing. I am home, bandaged up, crutches and will have a whopping bill to try and find the $$ to pay.
Now, If I was not "denied" I could have insurance... my retirement will even pay for it, but I am denied just because of that pre existing condition.
Your daughter and mine can not aff...
Here is a reality. Your daughter MUST have insurance., as mine. They must have it or else. If the insurance companies were allowed to continue, they could drop our daughters at will any time, put caps on their coverage... and dump them for any reason. Our daughters were lucky, they were not dropped, but w/out this bill in place they very well could be.
I had an accident 2 days ago. I had to see a doctor, I am uninsured, denied for prexisting condition. Can not get insurance until 2014. I could not get in anywhere, no doctors offices, no "free clinics", no low income clinics, no where... none. Today, finally was able to get a ride into the ER, my only last resort. The doctor could not believe I was not in there 2 days ago, but reality is, no insurance, unable to even walk, let alone drive, been crawling to get to the bathroom, and no, have not even eaten. But had to do the damn ER thing. I am home, bandaged up, crutches and will have a whopping bill to try and find the $$ to pay.
Now, If I was not "denied" I could have insurance... my retirement will even pay for it, but I am denied just because of that pre existing condition.
Your daughter and mine can not afford to take the chance of having no insurance... they can not. This bill, the ACA, prevents them from ever being dropped from coverage. and in 2014, 30 milllion more of us will be able to buy insurance and not be denied.
LOL
A new survey of American voters shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources.
http://www.alternet.org/story...
Even the conservative "Business Insider" prints articles about how people who watch Fox News are stupider than the rest of the news viewing audience.
STUDY: Watching FOX News Makes You Stupid
http://articles.businessinsid...
If you looked at the study, it shows that all media sources appear to misrepresent the truth, Fox News just happens to be the absolute worst.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/k...
Obamacare will destroy this country's highly advanced medical system and make it like that of Canada and Britain where a cancer patient will wait seven months for chemotherapy.
Those over 65 will feel it first as Obama is cutting $500 billion from Medicare. If anyone over 65 voted to reelect him, he/she is a fool.
Case in point: the drug Herceptin is very effective in treating certain types of breast cancer and has been available in USA for years. For many years while it was available in the US, it was not available in Britain. Women were dying there while the same drug was readily available here.
Finally, a dying woman sued the British bureaucracy and won. Now the drug is finally available but that's what it took and one can only wonder how many families lost loved ones as a result of the bureaucracy.
Your friends are right about one thing- if you need simple care like an emergency room or routine office visit there's not a big problem.
The Canadian and British systems are fine-- until you get a serious condition.
If you are really interested in the facts, Google two things:
1. the history of Herceptin availability in Britain
2. the finding of the Supreme Court of Quebec in a suit to allow private insurance where it was noted that people were dying because of long waits for care.
Those are facts, not anecdotal comments by friends.
My friend down the street was denied further care for her cancer, because her insurance wanted to play games. She had to fight non stop to get any treatment at all, and then they just dumped her. Was not until the ACA was in place, that she was able to resume care again. And they said she had no chance of survival before, that is why they dumped her. I talked to her 2 days ago, she is still going strong, she gets care now, and all thanks to this bill Obama wanted pout through. and if it is any consolation to you, she hates Obama probably more than you do. But that bill saved her life.
I have a friend who visited TX from Canada. They were in a very bad car crash. Her husband had a broken pelvis, internal injuries, etc. They stabilized him only, then put him in a wheel chair and dumped him on the sidewalk to find his own way home. They could not get back to Canada fast enough, so he COULD get care.
My friend who lives in AZ, they had a private insurance policy, to cover everything, even if they could not work due to illness or injury. Heard about it on Limbaughs program so they signed up. Hubby in a serious accident, broke his neck. after 3 days in the ICU, trying to stabilize him for surgery, he was put in a wheel chair and put out on the sidewa...
My friend down the street was denied further care for her cancer, because her insurance wanted to play games. She had to fight non stop to get any treatment at all, and then they just dumped her. Was not until the ACA was in place, that she was able to resume care again. And they said she had no chance of survival before, that is why they dumped her. I talked to her 2 days ago, she is still going strong, she gets care now, and all thanks to this bill Obama wanted pout through. and if it is any consolation to you, she hates Obama probably more than you do. But that bill saved her life.
I have a friend who visited TX from Canada. They were in a very bad car crash. Her husband had a broken pelvis, internal injuries, etc. They stabilized him only, then put him in a wheel chair and dumped him on the sidewalk to find his own way home. They could not get back to Canada fast enough, so he COULD get care.
My friend who lives in AZ, they had a private insurance policy, to cover everything, even if they could not work due to illness or injury. Heard about it on Limbaughs program so they signed up. Hubby in a serious accident, broke his neck. after 3 days in the ICU, trying to stabilize him for surgery, he was put in a wheel chair and put out on the sidewalk for his wife to take him home. He was partially paralyzed, she had to get him into her truck by herself, and try and do all his care at home herself. Insurance had decided to deny his care, just for the hell of it, so hospital tossed him out. Wife spent months trying to care for her invalid husband on her own, and fighting w/ the insurance company and attorneys, because the hospital was suing them for the 3 days in the ICU, that insurance decided to deny.
This is America, and this is ok with you? I think it is despicable.
The issue is the system itself, not individual examples. I can give you examples, as recently as this past weekend when I was told by a young guy from Toronto how his mother came down with cancer and was told she would have to wait seven weeks for chemotherapy. They took out a mortgage on the family farm that has been in their family for five generations and went to Detroit (Henry Ford Hospital) to get chemo. He was understandably very bitter. Again, anecdotal.
From a systemic standpoint, the landmark case in Canada is Chaolli v. Quebec. This involved a man who had waited in pain for over a year (in the US the wait is about 2-3 weeks) for a hip replacement and wanted to buy private insurance so he could jump over the line. The Quebec government said he could not, so he sued.
The court found for Chaolli and said two significant things:
1. It came right out and said that people in Canada were actually dying while waiting for care;
2. It noted that "access to a waiting list is not access to health care".
That is precisely where we ...
The issue is the system itself, not individual examples. I can give you examples, as recently as this past weekend when I was told by a young guy from Toronto how his mother came down with cancer and was told she would have to wait seven weeks for chemotherapy. They took out a mortgage on the family farm that has been in their family for five generations and went to Detroit (Henry Ford Hospital) to get chemo. He was understandably very bitter. Again, anecdotal.
From a systemic standpoint, the landmark case in Canada is Chaolli v. Quebec. This involved a man who had waited in pain for over a year (in the US the wait is about 2-3 weeks) for a hip replacement and wanted to buy private insurance so he could jump over the line. The Quebec government said he could not, so he sued.
The court found for Chaolli and said two significant things:
1. It came right out and said that people in Canada were actually dying while waiting for care;
2. It noted that "access to a waiting list is not access to health care".
That is precisely where we are headed under Obamacare along with huge taxes. You will be taxed if you do not have health insurance and you will also pay an additional 3.8% tax when you sell your house. (Remember when he promised if you "earned under $250,000 your taxes would not go up a dime". That is an outright lie)
The experience of your friends is terrible. However, the solution is not Obamacare.
Do some simple math if you still doubt the coming waiting lists.
1. Arguably, the law will result in 30 million new people having health insurance.
2. The law does nothing to expand the capacity of the health care system (although it does provide for the hiring of 140,000 additional IRS agents).
Waiting lists are inescapable
At the same time, the law calls for cutting another $500 Billion from Medicare. Those cuts will be in the form of reduced payments to doctors and hospitals for people over 65 at a time when that segment of the population is about to explode.
If you are a doctor or hospital, who will you put at the end of the line- someone for whom you are going to be paid even less than you are now or someone who has private insurance.
The simple math is inescapable.