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83% of Doctors Considered Quitting Over Obamacare: Scary?

Fef 2012/07/10 00:35:23
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President Obama's Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare") has some doctors reconsidering if they will continue practicing medicine. The non-partisan Doctor Patient Medical Association survey of 699 doctors nationwide found that 83% considered quitting over the legislation.

Sally Nelson reports in Daily Caller that America will face a shortage of 90,000 doctors in eight years regardless if current doctors quit. The problem quickly increases to a shortage of 130,000 doctors by 2025 according to Len Marquez, the director of government relations at the American Association of Medical Colleges.

DAILYCALLER.COM reports:
Association of Medical Colleges: Even if doctors do not quit, massive shortage coming because of law


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  • Linnster James 2012/07/10 01:00:32
    Linnster
    +1
    Exacatically!
  • Heisenberg Linnster 2012/07/10 00:55:36
    Heisenberg
    +4
    It's much worse than that.

    When almost all doctors consider quitting, even if just 10% quit it's will drive up the price of healthcare, drive down the quality and many qualified people will quit med school.

    This is disastrous and what can the right say but 'see, I told you so'?
  • Linnster Heisenberg 2012/07/10 00:59:52
    Linnster
    +3
    We've had a shortage of doctors for some time now. One of the reasons is the cost. If you graduate from med school with a huge student loan to pay off, it's difficult to do. Once you become a doctor, the liability insurance can kill you. My niece and her husband are both OB/GYNs and they moved to VA last year to practice because the insurance is so much lower. It is disastrous on many levels, but was heading that way before Obamacare. Now, it may get there sooner - but getting there it was.
  • Heisenberg Linnster 2012/07/10 01:06:02
    Heisenberg
    +5
    Just stop and examine your logic for one minute:

    "We've had a shortage of doctors for some time now"

    So this is a step in the right direction? Do you solve fires by pouring gasoline on your house? Of course not. It's making a bad situation worse.

    "One of the reasons is the cost."

    How do you drive down cost? You increase supply. LOWER regulations so more people can get in the medical field.

    " If you graduate from med school with a huge student loan to pay off, it's difficult to do"

    Why are student loans expensive? BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

    "Once you become a doctor, the liability insurance can kill you."

    YES AND LIBERAL TRIAL LAWYERS AND IGNORANT JURIES IN LIBERAL CITIES ARE TO BLAME.

    "My niece and her husband are both OB/GYNs and they moved to VA last year to practice because the insurance is so much lower."

    Yes, businesses move to states with less government. Coincidence?

    Obamacare is taking advantage of a problem to make it much, much worse.

    Repeal Obamacare and use the free market. It works. Socialism doesn't.

    Let me guess, you voted for Obama, yes?
  • Linnster Heisenberg 2012/07/10 02:16:09
    Linnster
    +2
    Art, I'm not arguing any of your points - I agree with you, but I've agreed with those points for a very long time - long before Obamacare. I'm agreeing that Obamacare is going to push some doctors over the edge sooner rather than later. If there was a referendum on capping jury verdicts, I would vote to institute them.

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say lower regulations so more people can get into medical school. Are you speaking about lowering grade requirements (which I would be against) or do you mean institute some program whereby medical school costs could be mitigated if the student were willing to agree to some form of community service in payment. That is something I feel could work.

    And, yes, I did vote for Obama. After eight years of Bush, I would have voted for Kermit the Frog.
  • Dana Heisenberg 2012/07/10 03:25:09
    Dana
    Art, did you read what he posted? Here is part of it for you..
    The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) is estimated to extend coverage to 16 million more people by 2014. The legislation includes several provisions aimed at improving access to primary care, and compensating providers who take on newly covered patients . Major initiatives include new training grounds for primary care workforce, improved reimbursement especially for Medicaid patients, and new models for primary care services within a coordinated health system.
    Training
    ACA is expected to add 15,000 new providers to the workforce by 2015.The 2009 Economic Stimulus package included $300 million for the National Health Service Corps which recruits the primary care workforce in underserved areas. An additional $230 million in award grants will go to “teaching health centers” to start primary care residency programs.
    Financial incentives
    ACA includes 10% bonuses for primary care providers under the Medicare fee schedule starting in 2011. Primary care service reimbursements will increase at the state level from Medicaid rates to Medicare rates by 2014.
    ACOs
    ACA legislation highlights the potential of Accountable Care Organizations (ACO), patient-centered, integrated services, to improve coordination in the...



    Art, did you read what he posted? Here is part of it for you..
    The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) is estimated to extend coverage to 16 million more people by 2014. The legislation includes several provisions aimed at improving access to primary care, and compensating providers who take on newly covered patients . Major initiatives include new training grounds for primary care workforce, improved reimbursement especially for Medicaid patients, and new models for primary care services within a coordinated health system.
    Training
    ACA is expected to add 15,000 new providers to the workforce by 2015.The 2009 Economic Stimulus package included $300 million for the National Health Service Corps which recruits the primary care workforce in underserved areas. An additional $230 million in award grants will go to “teaching health centers” to start primary care residency programs.
    Financial incentives
    ACA includes 10% bonuses for primary care providers under the Medicare fee schedule starting in 2011. Primary care service reimbursements will increase at the state level from Medicaid rates to Medicare rates by 2014.
    ACOs
    ACA legislation highlights the potential of Accountable Care Organizations (ACO), patient-centered, integrated services, to improve coordination in the healthcare system. ACOs include central “medical homes’ where primary care is accessed, and coordination takes place between specialists. The ACO’s patient-focused approach is thought to both curb costs and improve quality of care, with outcomes monitored by cost-effective outcomes criteria and patient assessments and financial incentives for multi-specialty providers to collaborate and coordinate patient care. [13]
    CHCs
    ACA increases the number of community health centers (CHCs), which provide continuous health care, coordination of care, and a large variety of health and welfare services. CHCs have been associated with a host of positive health outcomes and focus on primary care to underserved populations.
    Prevention
    New universal coverage of recommended preventive care will improve patient need for and access to primary care providers on a regular basis. With a number of preventive services covered without cost sharing in all insurance plans (in the “essentials benefit package”) primary care will be sought more regularly.
    (more)
  • Heisenberg Dana 2012/07/10 17:39:31
    Heisenberg
    I will pass on the copy and paste.

    1. Less people will get care, not more.
    2. Quality will decrease.
    3. Costs will go up.
    4. Fraud will reach never before seen proportions.

    Thanks liberals for ruining the best medical care on the planet.
  • Dana Heisenberg 2012/07/10 18:37:09
    Dana
    The USA is ranked 37th in the world in medical care. Can you tell me how that is #1?

    Costs are not supposed to go up. They are supposed to go down, that was why the mandate was in place... to level the playing field.

    Here is a question for you Art.... do you think it was ok for insurance companies to deny coverage after someone had paid all their premiums? Here is another, do you think it is a good thing when a child with a life threatening disease can not get any insurance? Family does not qualify for medicaid, but can not get insurance either. What are they supposed to do? Just let their child die? Many have died in this country, because they can not get care, can not get insurance, and are on their own 100%. Do you really think this is a good thing?
  • Heisenberg Dana 2012/07/10 22:17:34
    Heisenberg
    Who does the ranking?

    Which country with our population is better?
  • Dana Heisenberg 2012/07/10 18:37:30
    Dana
    Fraud? How?
  • Heisenberg Dana 2012/07/10 22:18:15
    Heisenberg
    You are more ignorant than I thought.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • RobHom Heisenberg 2012/07/10 01:10:01
    RobHom
    Art ......you might want to read this:

    http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issu...
  • Mamaknows Linnster 2012/07/10 01:10:07
    Mamaknows
    Move I know two great dr's that are closing shop and headed to another counrty.
  • Lady Wh... Linnster 2012/07/10 09:32:57
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    LOLZ!!! hear ya.
  • channie-lee 2012/07/10 00:51:22
    Yes
    channie-lee
    +1
    it really depends
  • the_old_coach 2012/07/10 00:51:13
    No
    the_old_coach
    +5
    Fef, I love ya, but I don't place much faith in Michell Malkin and other hard-right commentators and polls that try to scare everyone with news like this.

    There are 700,000 doctors in the country: they polled 700 affluent, hard-right doctors who treat the rich 1% and naturally they said they have THOUGHT about quitting.

    How many REALLY would quit their lucrative practice in protest? NONE, that's how many.

    No one wants Obama OR Obamacare, but man, I'm so tired of all the doomsayers. FIGHT BACK WITH ACTUAL POLICIES, not another "scary poll!"

    "Sally Nelson reports in Daily Caller that America will face a shortage of 90,000 doctors in eight years regardless if current doctors quit. The problem quickly increases to a shortage of 130,000 doctors by 2025 according to Len Marquez, the director of government relations at the American Association of Medical Colleges."

    Sounds like THAT'S a LOT of JOB OPENINGS. Someone GO FOR IT and stop complaining without doing a darn thing to correct the problem.
  • Striker the_old... 2012/07/10 01:29:36
    Striker
    +1
    Somehow openings for Doctor jobs require a lot of qualifying, all of which comes AFTER the training.
  • gvc Striker 2012/07/10 05:03:29
    gvc
    +1
    Hahaha yeah he kinda overlooked that minor little detail!
  • the_old... gvc 2012/07/11 00:54:16
    the_old_coach
    "He"--being me--didn't overlook anything...

    Who said anything about no training? What are you, a 3rd-grader? The article mentioned 90,000 openings 8 years from now...hmmmm...how long would it take to train? 8 years? OH MY! Again I say, GO FOR IT.

    You people try so hard to overturn rational thoughts and statements that you wind up just being stupid. Get a grip, would you?
  • gvc the_old... 2012/07/11 01:04:01
    gvc
    NO but you must be! It takes longer than eight years you nit wit...and even then they would hardly be the same caliber of Doctor we stand to lose.

    When you have a rational thought get back too me!
  • the_old... gvc 2012/07/11 01:15:54
    the_old_coach
    It's 8 years to get through school--pre-Med (4 years) and then Med school (4 years)--and then start their Internship.

    We won't be losing any doctors--nit wit--except those ready to retire. Seriously, you think a real doctor would quit his practice as a protest?

    Come on.
  • gvc the_old... 2012/07/11 05:48:52
  • Kat 2012/07/10 00:46:19
    Yes
    Kat
    +4
    I knew this would happen.
  • NPC 2012/07/10 00:45:43
    Yes
    NPC
    +9
    ObamaCare will make your personal Doctor obsolete unless you vote for Romney and the Republlicans in 2012.
  • Striker NPC 2012/07/10 01:30:46
    Striker
    Guess I'll have an obsolete doctor then. Remember, never forget, that ZeroCare began with RomneyCare. Do you somehow believe he's going to end it? LOL
  • kevracer 2012/07/10 00:44:21 (edited)
    No
    kevracer
    +7
    They surveyed 699? That is a statistically tiny number number given there are over 660,000 physicians in the United States. the survey tested fewere than 0.10% of the doctors. hardly a scientific survey.
    I read how the survey was conducted: "Survey was faxed to 16,233 randomly selected offices from April 19, 2012 - May 6, 2012" http://www.dpmafoundation.org...

    So over 15,000 doctors threw the survey request in the trash- that says a lot about these results
  • Of Thee... kevracer 2012/07/10 00:55:58
    Of Thee I Sing...
    +2
    all polls are done is this fashion.....try to keep up.
  • RobHom Of Thee... 2012/07/10 01:11:34
    RobHom
    +3
    And yet 15,000 doctors trashed the poll......
  • kevracer Of Thee... 2012/07/10 15:56:11
    kevracer
    by fax? are you serious?
  • jgh57 2012/07/10 00:43:53
    No
    jgh57
    +5
    There are no doctors going to quit over Obamacare. What would they do? They will still make huge amounts of money. Nothing has changed for them. People will still have the same insurance. The only difference is that more people will have insurance.
  • Brian 2012/07/10 00:43:29 (edited)
    Yes
    Brian
    +7
    This is not surprising at all, If the government is going to take the financial reward out of working your ass of to become a doctor whats the point.
  • Steve 2012/07/10 00:43:18
    No
    Steve
    +8
    Daily Caller? A poll of 699 doctors?

    The AMA supported the PPACA. I think that carries a bit more weight.
  • Of Thee... Steve 2012/07/10 00:56:37
    Of Thee I Sing...
    +3
    contrived left wing crap........
  • RobHom Of Thee... 2012/07/10 01:23:22
    RobHom
    +3
    Nope.....read at these links:

    http://docs4patientcare.org/_...

    http://www.aapsonline.org/ind...

    Facts is facts...even when you don't like them....
  • 16 2012/07/10 00:43:17
    No
    16
    +3
    Quit. I hope their able to find another job.
  • Tasine 2012/07/10 00:43:14
    No
    Tasine
    +3
    Were I 20 years younger I'd be most nervous about Obamacare. It's a foolish plan made on spur of the moment "ideas" of collectivists and it's produced FOR fools.

    Not scary for me because I am old enough to know I don't want life saving measures used on me anyway, don't want any massive surgery, don't want any chemotherapy, don't want any radiation therapy. I will get no closer to it than I absolutely must. But I am sorry my stepchildren and grandchildren will have to put up with it.
  • cynsity 2012/07/10 00:42:55
    No
    cynsity
    +3
    Might have been scary if I had not already been told this by our family doctor. The man is a retired Navy Doctor and has been in private practice for 30 years taking care of generations.

    He said 3 years ago that if government health care passes he would have to drop his elderly medicare/cade patients because he couldn't afford them AND he would likely just retire rather than be chackled by government regulations. He also said that the majority of those he worked with and those he spoke with would be doing the same. they planed to stay in business long enough to be cleared of all debts and tehn shut the doors and only practice privately for those who would be paying cash in their homes... basicly only the very wealthy will have care now.
  • tff~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/10 00:42:36
    Yes
    tff~PWCM~JLA
    +6
    I can't blame them.Adolf Obama is trying to rule by caveat!
  • sjalan 2012/07/10 00:41:18
    No
    sjalan
    +3
    Because that statement is BULL PUCKY!!
  • cynsity sjalan 2012/07/10 00:45:26
    cynsity
    +1
    its not really. alk into many private practice offices and ask the doctors there what they plan to do... first they will drop their medicare/cade patients then they will simply close tehir doors and retire. many are already shopping themselves as PRIVATE doctors as in they go to the homes of teh wealthy and treat only cash paying clients.

    Our family doctor who has treated 3 genetartions of my family told us that was the plan for many and he said that 2 yeras ago.

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