HELL YEAH!
Didn't Jan Brewer, REPUBLICAN, sign a bill saying that a woman was pregnant 2 WEEKS BEFORE she conceives???
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Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/09 19:01:09Yes






















only thing missing is predator drones
So you forced me to say yes
C'mon people stop being silly
This trampling of the Unborn Child, as well as it's Father, is an atrocity and has got to stop.
What I DID say is that I cannot comprehend how the same unborn child can be legally considered a MURDER VICTIM - and a viable form of life - if killed while still in it's Mother's uterus, and yet it is not a VICTIM - or a viable form of life - if it's mother says it is okay to extinguish it's life.
It is a life that is legally protected if murdered before being born on one hand -
Yet, it is not a viable form of life and can legally be ripped from it's Mother's womb at any time on the other hand?
My beliefs may differ from yours, but the fact that they do does not make them inferior or less valid than yours. There are a lot of people that agree with me, as there are ones that agree with you. This is a subject close to my heart, and your condemnation is never going to change that.
You have your right to your opinion, as do I. Hence, this is a case where we will have to agree to disagree.
Just something that I happen to notice on these forums that I am curious about.
Here you go.
"The U.S. Constitution does not recognize the unborn as citizens. The Framers gave no rights to the unborn; that is why abortion is legal in the U.S. If you would like to support your claim, please provide the language from the Constitution which guarantees rights to a fetus, as a citizen of the United States."
Okay, and abortion, is an example of a right-leaning value. Liberals tend to give the right to choose abortion to women, regardless of the reasons, even including sex-selection, and conservatives do not.
On the other hand, homosexual marriages is a left-leaning value. And I don't know how you stand on this issue. So I'm not pointing fingers. That isn't the issue. However, when it is pointed out that homosexuals don't have a constitutional right to marry, the response is that they have a "human-right" to marry.
I'm I'm not even going to go into the validity of any of these arguments. That wasn't the point. It is just a curiousity about the way that values are accepted or rejected.
My argument is that the State has the right to criminalize and /or refuse to sanction any marriage which has the potential to weaken or harm the State.
Since marriages have been set up to protect women and children, homosexual marriages don't serve the purpose of the state, and so the state has no reason to sanction them. Two big strapping men, who are sterile, by definition of their relationship, don't need their rights protected by the State.
In addition, homosexual marriages harm the State, not only by the fact that they are, by definition, sterile, but also by the fact that in every single civilization in which homosexuality has been normalized, women have lost status and rights, as have children in these same cultures.
I think the state should financially reward successful marriages, every year. It would save billions of dollars from not only rehabiliting the lives of children wrecked through divorce, but the actual government monies spent on chasing dads around for their child-support checks, which actually, I have read, is more costly than welfare itself. Just take all of the money used to support divorces, and say to each couple. "Oh you're still married? Congratulations--here's your reward check! Most young people could use it.
But as to the argument that marriage is the only way that homosexual couples can visit each other in the hospital, or bequeath money in a will to each other--the concept is nil. Anyone can visit a sick person in the hospital, as long as the patient consents. Anyone can hold the hand of a dying friend. And anyone can will money to whoever they want.
The difference is in taxes. A married couple pays less taxes on money that is left for...
I think the state should financially reward successful marriages, every year. It would save billions of dollars from not only rehabiliting the lives of children wrecked through divorce, but the actual government monies spent on chasing dads around for their child-support checks, which actually, I have read, is more costly than welfare itself. Just take all of the money used to support divorces, and say to each couple. "Oh you're still married? Congratulations--here's your reward check! Most young people could use it.
But as to the argument that marriage is the only way that homosexual couples can visit each other in the hospital, or bequeath money in a will to each other--the concept is nil. Anyone can visit a sick person in the hospital, as long as the patient consents. Anyone can hold the hand of a dying friend. And anyone can will money to whoever they want.
The difference is in taxes. A married couple pays less taxes on money that is left for them. And this has to do with the fact that most generally the woman is the one who lives the longest and is left behind, when she has no means to support herself.
And by the way a widow is a widow. And a woman, for that matter is still a woman, regardless of whether she has given birth to children. So because women are simply physically weaker, the State has a interest in supporting the institution which best supports her.--unless we are willing to watch women live and die in destitution. As a nation, we have so far chosen not to do that.
As I have already mentioned, two big strapping men, can afford to pay their own way. They can both work up until retirement. Nor do either of them need to abandon work for child-bearing or child-related issues. Wealth is never the issue with homosexual couples. They are simply not struggling like a young, heterosexual family, just starting out. If the gutters need cleaned out, or the roof repaired, or a shed needs to be built or repaired in a homosexual relationship, there are two men who can perform labor which requires strength. In a heterosexual relationship, there is one man who can perform labor which requires strength.
And they are certainly no worse off than single people, who also don't get marriage tax-breaks, and who have to pay more taxes when they inherit money.
Females who choose a homosexual union are going to get a very bad deal. As you noted. When strength in necessary in a task there are 0 men in that relationship. They also experience more domestic violence than women in heterosexual relationships. Why should the State be interested in supporting this relationship, when it offers no benefit to the State?
Keep in mind, no one has a constitutional right to be married. The State however has the authority to criminalize and or refuse sanction of any marriage that might harm the welfare of the State. What possible interest could the State have to protect any homosexual marriage, even less a lesbian marriage? Since marriage was institutionalized for the protection of women and children, why should the State be interested in protecting a marriage which simply serves women no better than living alone?
When homsexuals decide to practice homosexuality, they are making a decision to be sterile. Homosexuals can and do live heterosexual lives. They always have. It isn't impossible for them to enjoy sex with women. We e...
Females who choose a homosexual union are going to get a very bad deal. As you noted. When strength in necessary in a task there are 0 men in that relationship. They also experience more domestic violence than women in heterosexual relationships. Why should the State be interested in supporting this relationship, when it offers no benefit to the State?
Keep in mind, no one has a constitutional right to be married. The State however has the authority to criminalize and or refuse sanction of any marriage that might harm the welfare of the State. What possible interest could the State have to protect any homosexual marriage, even less a lesbian marriage? Since marriage was institutionalized for the protection of women and children, why should the State be interested in protecting a marriage which simply serves women no better than living alone?
When homsexuals decide to practice homosexuality, they are making a decision to be sterile. Homosexuals can and do live heterosexual lives. They always have. It isn't impossible for them to enjoy sex with women. We even have historical documentations that men who enjoyed sex with each other were also able to have sex with women and procreate. If a man decides to not partake of that option, then he is deciding that he prefers homosexuality over children.
In any case, the homosexual union is by its very definition sterile. And as I mentioned previously, the State has no reason whatsoever to protect a union that does not benefit it, and can even harm it. However, the homosexual in regards to federal benefits, social security payouts, immigration..all of these things, is not less advantaged than any other single person who is also forgoing all of these benefits.
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As a matter of fact, men are calling for this. I am linking you to this not trying to cause WWIII but to make you aware that there is growing men's movement afoot that is accusing women of a sense entitlement, largely of wanting to have things both ways--to be treated equally, and also to be given additional priviledges based on their gender. The concept of equality works a whole lot of ways that you and I might not enjoy so much:
http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
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Really, let's examine this.
1. Women get to live leisure lives at the expense of men while contributing very little to the individual household, and nothing to civilization with the exception of the minority of women ...
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As a matter of fact, men are calling for this. I am linking you to this not trying to cause WWIII but to make you aware that there is growing men's movement afoot that is accusing women of a sense entitlement, largely of wanting to have things both ways--to be treated equally, and also to be given additional priviledges based on their gender. The concept of equality works a whole lot of ways that you and I might not enjoy so much:
http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
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Really, let's examine this.
1. Women get to live leisure lives at the expense of men while contributing very little to the individual household, and nothing to civilization with the exception of the minority of women who work in sciences that do contribute to civilization.
2. Who is it that's dying in military combats? Men!
3. Who is it routinely prosecuted for sex under the rape laws in all legal systems? Men!
4. Who is it that gets alimony, and child support at a massive cost to the public to maintain the bureaucracies to enforces those forms of tyranny on men? Women!
5. Men are 99% globally of the incarcerated population worldwide, and even women who do get incarcerated for the same things men do, women get only a fraction of the incarceration time that men do, and in misandric societies like Western Countries, and Arabic Countries there's not so much as 1 reported case of a woman being executed while men routinely get executed!
6. I don't believe in allopathic medicine, so I'm only mentioning this to prove a point. Billions and billions and billions of dollars in the misandric society known as America goes to fund breast cancer research, while a tiny fraction of that goes to fund prostrate cancer research.
7. All a bitch as to do is scream and everyone in hearing range of her will come running to her aid just because she's a woman, that does not happen for a guy.
8. Men aren't allowed to defend themselves against a woman when she's physically assaults a man, and there are plenty of women who physically assault men.
9. A man will get 30 years incarceration for sex with a female age 15, 14, or 13, while women who are sexually active with teenage males seldom get prosecuted for that, and when they do they typically don't get more than 3 years in a concentration camp.
10. Of all the men who get assaulted by police, and military forces in all countries which men comprise well over 90% of those who get beaten with knight sticks, sprayed with mace by these thugs in costume, etc, when it happens to 1 single woman it makes global news, while the men it's happening to get ignored by the mainstream, and the alternative media! Case in point Egypt. When the military forces were murdering men during the Arab Spring Uprising in the streets of Cairo, the criminal acts of the police, and military forces did not get any media attention until one woman was assaulted by police, and her shirt was torn off, and her blue bra was showing, then it became global headline news worthy.
So what's your point here?
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http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
Again, WIC, and Welfare are different things altogether from Alimony, and Child support because WIC, and Welfare are funded through taxation, Alimony, and Child Support are imposed on men, and ONLY men, not only at the expense of individual men, also through taxation because taxation is used to fund the child support agencies, and the court system that enforces alimony on men.
We're not dealing here with two programs that are only funded through taxation at what amounts to pennies on the dollar per citizen, which is what WIC, and Welfare are. We're dealing with the systems of alimony and child support that are EXCLUSIVELY imposed on men at a great, a very great cost to society, much greater cost than WIC, and Welfare because of the massive bureaucracies that are taxation funded to enforce them. Why should an ADULT woman be entitled to such things? and again I'm referring to SPECIFICALLY alimony, and child support. Why should an ADULT woman be entitled to those 2 things?
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However it becomes the interest of the State to assure that everyone is treated equally, well then, a woman's life and health is no more important than a man's life and health. One can't be granted more protection than the other.
You do not see newborns - those that are allowed to live, that is - playing and running around either, do you?
Why?
Because they are dependent on their parents and caregivers until they are able to take care of themselves. Which, by the way, are the same circumstances that they are in while in their mother's womb.
Now, although I would never have an abortion for any reason myself, I also could never presume to force a pregnant woman into a decision other than her own when the situation involves rape, incest and/or risk to the mother's life. However less than 4% of abortions are performed for such reasons.
96% are performed as some sort of birth control, whether it is done for convenience’s sake, financial reasons, dislike for the father, being the wrong sex that is desired, dissolution of marriage or relationship, too many other children, etc. Most of which are circumstances where the behavior that resulted in a pregnancy were well within the control of the unborn child’s parents, and none of which are caused by the innocent child that is growing within its mother's womb.
Nor am I a hypocrite.
I could say what I believe you to be after the comment you posted above, but I have enough class to know that doing so is beneath me.