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6 trillion in three years down the rat hole in the US Now the Eurozone is facing the same problem.. a growing rat hole All of which could bring down our banks in the US.. and dont think they arent all connected by the sewers called the central bank FED

iamnothere 2012/06/23 17:45:21
 a growing rat hole
June 22, 2012 7:07 pm
Eurozone rift deepens over debt crisis

Leaders of the eurozone’s four largest economies pledged on Friday to back a €130bn growth package and defend the common currency but remained divided over the credit crisis as Germany continued to resist proposals to issue common debt and use bailout funds to stabilise financial markets.

The meeting in Rome was intended to demonstrate a coming together ahead of next week’s EU summit, but ended in disagreement over the need for short-term intervention in the markets and how to achieve greater political and financial union.

At a joint press conference Angela Merkel, German chancellor, declined to endorse affirmations by all three of her co-heads of government – Italy’s Mario Monti, François Hollande of France and Spain’s Mariano Rajoy – of the need to use the eurozone’s bailout funds to “stabilise financial markets”.

“We need to use all existing mechanisms to stabilise markets, to give confidence, to fight speculation,” Mr Hollande said. “This would be an important step,” he added, endorsing a proposal by Mr Monti that the bailout fund should be used to buy the debt of “virtuous” countries on the open market.

Instead, Ms Merkel said Europe needed to respect existing rules and had to work towards common structures to regulate the euro rather than have policies emanating from “17 parliaments each with national sovereignty”.

“If I am giving money to Spanish banks … I am the German chancellor but I cannot say what these banks can do,” she said.

The disagreements in Rome come amid heightened tensions within the eurozone over how to deal with the burgeoning crisis, particularly the imminent bailout of Spanish banks. Since the rescue was announced two weeks ago, Spanish borrowing costs have increased, leading senior EU officials to worry that the structure of the rescue has spooked private investors.

Under the current plan, as much as €100bn in bailout funds would be funnelled through the Spanish government, adding billions to Spain's sovereign debt. In addition, eurozone finance ministers meeting in Luxembourg failed to agree whether those loans would be given senior status over existing private debt holders, potentially scaring away more private investors.

While Germany has insisted on that structure, Luis de Guindos, the Spanish finance minister, said on Friday he believed there was still a chance of convincing other leaders of the necessity of injecting money directly into Spanish banks. French finance minister Pierre Moscovici also backed the move.

Olli Rehn, the EU's senior economic official, and Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, have both said direct injections into teetering banks should be adopted. Mr Hollande, in an indirect jab at Ms Merkel, said Europe could not wait 10 years before issuing common euro bonds to mutualise debt.

Adding to the note of discord, Mr Monti wrapped up proceedings by drily pointing out that the unravelling had begun back in 2003 when France and Germany were allowed – under Italy’s presidency – to breach their budget deficit limits.

One Italian official pointed out that the proposal to use bailout resources to buy Spanish and Italian debt on the open market had “not been shot down” by Germany, and that finance ministers would continue to work on the issue ahead of the June 28-29 summit.

Officials conceded, however, that the declaration by all four leaders of an agreed proposal to launch a €120bn to €130bn “growth” package was not new. Nicholas Spiro, a sovereign risk analyst, said the “rehashed” European growth compact was “another example of eurozone leaders desperately trying to paper over their differences while failing to address the issue which concerns investors the most: shoring up the sovereign debt markets of Spain and Italy”.

Mr Monti, who was appointed technocrat prime minister last November, is under intense pressure from Italy’s main parties to come away with tangible results from next week’s summit or face increased resistance to his economic reforms in parliament. His predecessor, Silvio Berlusconi, has already undermined Mr Monti by speaking openly of a possible Italian exit from the euro and by hinting that his centre-right party could try to force early elections.
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  • David Hussey 2012/06/23 18:02:25
    David Hussey
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    Its time people started to ignore the doom and gloom fostered to gain support for baling out the banks. All of this, whether it be in Europe or North America is nothing but reaching into the pockets of taxpayers to give money to the debt holders. These people who hold the debt have for decades taken their profits and now when faced with a loss they want you and me to save them from taking that loss. Let the fail, let them fold and let the shareholders and debt holders take their loses. That is the risk of investing, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Well, they have been winning for a long time, now it is their time to lose.

    Fear mongering that there will be no capital available to promote business if the banks are allowed to fail is nonsense. Where there is potential for profit there will be money to support the venture. These money players have all the wealth in the world, what they will lose in allowing the banks to go bankrupt will not mean an end to the supply of wealth.

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  • DefendnProtect 2012/08/05 22:05:52
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    It's again about bailing out irresponsible banks. Let them fail and the good ones take their places.
  • iamnothere Defendn... 2012/08/06 00:37:25
    iamnothere
    +1
    same for gm
  • wtw 2012/06/24 23:53:37
    wtw
    +1
    So why do the ignorant dems want us to swallow more of the same?
  • iamnothere wtw 2012/08/06 00:37:46
    iamnothere
    +1
    you said it.. ignorant
  • KingdomNow 2012/06/24 05:23:57
    KingdomNow
    +2
    Reagan was right.
  • iamnothere KingdomNow 2012/06/24 10:34:40
    iamnothere
    as is reality about conservative thought v progressive
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/06/23 18:55:27
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +2
    As Margaret Thatcher wisely said, the problem with socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other people's money. Time's up and game over, folks. We're next.
  • David Hussey 2012/06/23 18:02:25
    David Hussey
    +5
    Its time people started to ignore the doom and gloom fostered to gain support for baling out the banks. All of this, whether it be in Europe or North America is nothing but reaching into the pockets of taxpayers to give money to the debt holders. These people who hold the debt have for decades taken their profits and now when faced with a loss they want you and me to save them from taking that loss. Let the fail, let them fold and let the shareholders and debt holders take their loses. That is the risk of investing, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Well, they have been winning for a long time, now it is their time to lose.

    Fear mongering that there will be no capital available to promote business if the banks are allowed to fail is nonsense. Where there is potential for profit there will be money to support the venture. These money players have all the wealth in the world, what they will lose in allowing the banks to go bankrupt will not mean an end to the supply of wealth.
  • Ken David H... 2012/06/23 18:41:47
    Ken
    +2
    This is the best response I've seen of what's really happening.
  • David H... Ken 2012/06/23 22:59:36
    David Hussey
    +2
    Thanks Ken
  • Don Leuty 2012/06/23 17:53:41
    Don Leuty
    +4
    Darn. Who would believe that Europe couldn't spend itself rich, too. And B0 thought they had all the answers.
  • iamnothere Don Leuty 2012/06/23 18:01:50
    iamnothere
    +2
    he as all socialists are ass hats
  • mwg0735 2012/06/23 17:51:25
  • Patric 2012/06/23 17:48:34
    Patric
    +2
    tax , spend, tax, spend..

    obomma has not found out that you will run out of people to tax

    but the people that will spend will line up for miles......
  • David H... Patric 2012/06/23 18:03:34
    David Hussey
    Obama did learned well from his teacher GW Bush, didn't he?
  • drdos1943 David H... 2012/06/23 18:32:33
    drdos1943
    +4
    Well, he may have continued many of the policies of GW Bush, but his teachers were Rev Wright, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, and his teachings came directly from the writings of Karl Marx.
  • Ken drdos1943 2012/06/23 18:44:10
    Ken
    +3
    Exactly.
  • Ken David H... 2012/06/23 18:43:37
    Ken
    +2
    All politicians learn well from each other, there is no difference in them.
  • David H... Ken 2012/06/23 23:00:13
    David Hussey
    +2
    Well, they do generally wear a different colour of tie.
  • Ken David H... 2012/06/24 02:45:14
    Ken
    +2
    Funny.
  • Patric David H... 2012/06/23 18:49:20
    Patric
    +1
    yawn,,,, wake me up when the old ,tired , worn out ... blame it on the other guy is over...
  • David H... Patric 2012/06/23 23:01:46
    David Hussey
    +1
    You missed the point, you must be sleeping. Its not blaming the other guy, its blaming all of them who only pretend to be other guys so morons will think they have a choice.
  • iamnothere David H... 2012/06/23 20:45:24

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