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2nd Amendment Arguments

I am so tired of hearing and reading these 2nd Amendment arguments for why there shouldn’t be stricter gun control laws.People can quote the Constitution all they want, all day long, until they’re blue in the face as far as I’m concerned. The right for the people, as individuals, in this country to own guns is not absolute and should never be. When the 2nd Amendment was written it was written by people who feared a tyrannical government and had fled such a government.

In order for a tyrant to take over this country, with the checks and balances that we have in place that have worked for over 200 years, a candidate or potential usurper would need the support of over 280,000,000 people. The possibility that another Hitler could take over this country does not outweigh the fact that tens of thousands of American citizens die due to guns and many, many more are injured.

This amendment can be interpreted any way a person chooses:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

However, I’ll just leave these here:

"Since the Second Amendment right 'to keep and bear arms' applies only to the right of the state to maintain a militia, and not to the individual's right to bear arms, there can be no serious claim to any express constitutional right of an individual to possess a firearm." (Stevens v. U.S., United States Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit, 1971).

“We conclude that the right to keep and bear handguns is not guaranteed by the Second Amendment." (Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 1982).

Abridgement of rights is necessary and valid. No one truly has the right to free speech. There are all sorts of abridgements on that right. You don’t have the right to libel someone. You don’t have the right to incite violence with something you say. According to the imminent danger rule, you don’t even have the right to stand up in a crowded movie theatre and yell, ‘FIRE!’ You would be arrested and tried for those things. Oh, but what about free speech and the 1st Amendment? Yeah, you don’t truly have the right to absolute free speech when your 1st Amendment rights infringe on the rights of someone else. Why can’t the right to own/carry a gun be the same way? The lax gun control laws and enforcement of the laws that are in place in this country are a direct infringement on the populace’s right to public safety.

Not everyone in this country has an absolute right to own guns. The mentally ill, felons, criminals with a history of violence, etc. should not have access to guns. Having an excessive amount of guns is also not something that should be considered an absolute right. What the hell does Bubba Joe in Kentucky need 55 rifles out back for? Who needs ten handguns in their home? The answers: NOTHING and NO ONE.

I won’t even entertain the ‘prohibition’ argument that, ‘If guns are made illegal, than only the criminals will have them! I need to protect myself against them!’ That is straight up horse shit. The FBI reports that there are about 340,000 gun thefts in this country every year. A very large number of those guns are manufactured and purchased legally. What happens to those guns that are bought legally and then stolen and then sold for criminal purposes? They commit violent crimes, they kill innocent people, they injure innocent people, and they feed in to the vicious cycle that this country finds itself in currently.
If obtaining a gun was more difficult and ownership had stricter restrictions on it, the price of illegal guns would go much higher and the availability of illegal guns would plummet. By that rationale, it would be more difficult for guns to be purchased for illegal activity. Oh, and not selling ammunition at Wal-Mart could probably help too. Ugh.

I’ll end this with something my father always said to me, “Your rights end where mine begin.” I have the right to feel safe. The people in this country have the right to feel and, more importantly, BE safe. No one is safe while criminals and the mentally ill have the ability to walk into a gun and knife show, walk over to a private dealer and just buy a gun right over the counter. No background check, no forms, nothing except a receipt (if the dealer even gives those). All that comes from that is cash in the dealer’s hand and a gun in the criminal’s/crazy person’s hand. That is ridiculous. That is not safe.

That is NOT what the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect.
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  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2010/04/13 20:49:56 (edited)
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +8
    FACT: COUNTRIES THAT TOOK AWAY GUNS - VIOLENT CRIME WENT UP NOT DOWN.

    Your lies are comical.

    Guns protect more people than kill by a long shot. Guns are why the Japanese did not come ashore during WWII and that's fact because they knew most families had guns.

    Guns taken away from people take away their rights to protect themselves and from a bad government.

    You should instead get involved with a Gun Club and learn for yourself what they are all about and stop looking from the outside and throwing out lies and not facts.

    Here spend some time learning the facts.

    Have you ever been to a gun show? I just was two weeks ago. There were very few guns. There were far more preparation gear, books, memorabilia, and the few guns that were there were still sold by the guns stores and you had to apply for the same permits and you didn't get the gun until the paperwork was filed with the police and all was registered and guns aren't turned over until they are.

    I'm a member of the NRA and I know they are sticklers with the 2nd Amendment and members are the most law abiding with cops, military, ex military and everyone trained in knowing safety methods. You want people to be involved in the NRA just for the safety and the training they offer.

    http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

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  • P-Funk 2010/04/14 05:17:47
    P-Funk
    +1
    You may not care what the Constitution says, but it is not only written in plain English, but we also have the writings of its authors to tell us what they intended -- and that was the right of the INDIVIDUAL to own arms (not just limited to guns). THAT should make you feel safe.

    The fact that you do not feel safe is not the fault of the Constitution, nor is it the fault of the lawful gun-owners of this nation. If you fear your fellow citizens more than you fear the potential abuses of your government, then the problem is clearly YOUR insecurities; not the Second Amendment.
  • wtw 2010/04/14 03:50:26
    wtw
    +1
    NOt everyone should have the right to vote either. We have the beginning of a tyrannical government with this president. When you fail to listen to a majority of the people that is dictatorial!
  • dzynrbob 2010/04/14 03:49:57
    dzynrbob
    Lame argument. Here's the REAL argument. In Washington DC, the strictest gun control laws in the entire country have been in effect for several decades. Yet, it also has consistently and persistently been among the nations leaders in violent crimes and deaths. Gun control does not work. Never has. Never will. Oddly enough, violence and violent deaths occurred for millenia before guns were even invented. Conversely, if EVERYONE were armed, how many arrogant punk thugs would hold up a store when 20 guns were drawn on them the minute they said "Stick 'em up"?
    It amazes me how many pacifists try and outlaw guns when, ironicly, guns and other weapons in the hands of ordinary citizens gave them the freedom to spew forth such tripe.
  • myoma mars 2010/04/14 03:38:10
    myoma mars
    You are funny. You never mention about the criminal buying from the criminal or the criminal stealing from the law abiding citizen.

    I happen to agree on the gun show statement.

    If it were not for our guns we would be a territory of England.

    It is none of anyones business why people need so many guns. My family had 21 of them growing up. We used them to hunt and put food on our table.

    You act as if we took away guns, less people would die.

    you say who needs ten handguns, well who needs 12 hohos or zingnuts?

    Besides it should be real easy to get rid of all of the guns with our border so secure, there is no way they could get them in here.

    You also missed the fact that you do not even have to be a felon not to qualify to own a firearm, the law states that if you are convicted of a misdameanor punishable by more than 2 years you do not qualify.

    I am not usually this sarcastic, I am usually pretty rational and respectful, but this issue is so off target (no pun intended) it is hard to comprehend that one thinks that if you get rid of guns we end up in a better place. Where are all of the world comparisons? What about the swiss, the left loves to compare us, every swiss man is trained and required by law to have his gun under his bed or in his closet for the rest of his life. There is not much crime there. I know you will more than likely respond to everything I said except for the Swiss, why?
  • menopausin~Praying For America 2010/04/14 03:26:18
  • Merl 2010/04/14 03:02:53
    Merl
    +1
    That is the beauty of this country it is not up to you or anyone else to determine how many guns are enough or who needs them. Our founders were very smart and as long as we keep idiots like you from gaining power we can keep our constitutional rights. By the way the seventh circuit decision was over ruled. And for your information it is up to the states to control who has access to legal ownership. Look to Europe if you want to see what happens when you remove guns from the law abiding citizens, gun crimes go up because the only one's with them are the criminals.
  • gimini210 2010/04/14 02:24:57
    gimini210
    +1
    You have a problem with this post from the beginning to the end. Legal gun owners do no go around killing people, now they may kill an armed robber or two, but they do not do drive bys, nor shot people in robberies, nor do they hold up banks with their guns. It is the crooks that do this. No matter where you live if some one wants to commit a violent crime that ends in death they do it with or without the governments consent. Not a single murder is going to stop because of gun control. Crime will not go down, it will go up. I know if anyone were to break into my home they best be ready to face my shot gun and believe me the pellets travel faster than they do so I will feel a whole lot safer armed than not.
  • TrueRedWhite&Blue 2010/04/14 00:48:05
    TrueRedWhite&Blue
    +1
    Somebody has fed you a bunch of B.S.
    These people get their weapons NOT through legal channels.
    If the did the BATFE would shut them down. I have seen this happen to shops that had too many guns get traced back to their shop that were used in commiting a felony/ crime.
    You really CON NOT believe twisted figures from baised organizations.
    Guns dont kill people. They are an inanimate object.
    You really need to do your research.
  • myoma mars TrueRed... 2010/04/14 03:39:40
    myoma mars
    I agree with some of what you said, but he is right about gunshows, he just does not tell about the other channels
  • TrueRed... myoma mars 2010/04/24 17:32:16
    TrueRedWhite&Blue
    +1
    EVERY time I or anybody I know that has purchased a gun or AR15 lower (which is a piece of a rifle) at a gunshow have HAD to fill out all the paper workm and wait the time required by the state until I / they can GO TO THE FFL dealed and pick-up the item purchased. 98 % of ALL illegal guns are purchased on the ILLEGAL market.
    ALL Bloomberg want's to do is have more gun control over the people.
    The two WORST gun crime cities in this nation are Washington D.C. and Chicago, BUT THAT CAN'T BE. Guns are illegal in both of these cities. As the old saying goes When gun's are outlawed...
    The MSM and the gun control advocates only tell you the statistics that make their claim rational, Just as politicans do also. Check the FBI statistics. For that matter go to Gunfacts.com there you will see links to the related documents as well as rational true data.
  • myoma mars TrueRed... 2010/04/24 22:26:05
    myoma mars
    I agree, there are some illegal guns bought at shows, but it is a small portion, I do not know the percentage.

    You are right about washington and chicago.

    Also the swiss have very little crime, every man is sent to the military and required to have their gun in their closet or under their bed.
  • TrueRed... myoma mars 2010/04/26 01:40:48 (edited)
    TrueRedWhite&Blue
    An armed society is a polite and safe society, just look at the Swiss.
    It's no suprise that the statistics are faurly close comparing Swizterland and America when it comes to guns, That is when you remove the gang and drug factor.
    In all the gunshows that I have gone to (and I go quite often), I have seen only legal transactions take place. Not to mention there are alot of uniformed police and undercover at these get togethers, and YES they do stop you and check you and your guns that are for sale.
    A friend of mine is a FFL dealer, and he DOSEN'T cut me ANY slack as to legal paperwork. Not that I would want any given, but he does give me some good prices.
    My link suggestion was incorect before it's Gunfacts.info.
    Look here if you like: http://gunfacts.info/
  • myoma mars TrueRed... 2010/04/26 02:43:10
    myoma mars
    You are making the same argument that I have made over and over again.
  • Andrew ~ PWCM 2010/04/14 00:36:48
    Andrew ~ PWCM
    +2
    This post is stupid beyond belief
  • Joker~RWAC/CFM 2010/04/13 21:07:45
  • Bill in Niantic 2010/04/13 21:04:51
    Bill in Niantic
    +7
    FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

    1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson

    2.. Those who trade liberty for security have
    neither. ~John Adams

    3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

    5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

    6.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

    7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

    8. Know guns, know peace, know safety.
    No guns, no peace, no safety.

    9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

    10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

    11.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

    12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791.. All Rights Reserved.

    13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

    14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?

    15. GUNS HAVE ONLY TWO ENEMIES; RUST AND POLITICIANS.

    16. When you remove the people's right to bear arms,---------- you create slaves.

    17. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

    IF YOU AGREE, PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' ON TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.
    FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

    1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson

    2.. Those who trade liberty for security have
    neither. ~John Adams

    3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

    5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

    6.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

    7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

    8. Know guns, know peace, know safety.
    No guns, no peace, no safety.

    9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

    10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

    11.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

    12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791.. All Rights Reserved.

    13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

    14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?

    15. GUNS HAVE ONLY TWO ENEMIES; RUST AND POLITICIANS.

    16. When you remove the people's right to bear arms,---------- you create slaves.

    17. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

    IF YOU AGREE, PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' ON TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.
    create slaves 17 american revolution gun pass refresher free citizens
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  • TrueRed... Bill in... 2010/04/24 17:36:18
    TrueRedWhite&Blue
    +2
    I have this on a poster.

    John Browning a true American Patriot.
    Maker of guns still in service both with Civilian's, Millitary, and Police.

    Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum !
    Acta Non Verba !
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2010/04/13 20:49:56 (edited)
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +8
    FACT: COUNTRIES THAT TOOK AWAY GUNS - VIOLENT CRIME WENT UP NOT DOWN.

    Your lies are comical.

    Guns protect more people than kill by a long shot. Guns are why the Japanese did not come ashore during WWII and that's fact because they knew most families had guns.

    Guns taken away from people take away their rights to protect themselves and from a bad government.

    You should instead get involved with a Gun Club and learn for yourself what they are all about and stop looking from the outside and throwing out lies and not facts.

    Here spend some time learning the facts.

    Have you ever been to a gun show? I just was two weeks ago. There were very few guns. There were far more preparation gear, books, memorabilia, and the few guns that were there were still sold by the guns stores and you had to apply for the same permits and you didn't get the gun until the paperwork was filed with the police and all was registered and guns aren't turned over until they are.

    I'm a member of the NRA and I know they are sticklers with the 2nd Amendment and members are the most law abiding with cops, military, ex military and everyone trained in knowing safety methods. You want people to be involved in the NRA just for the safety and the training they offer.

    http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
  • Bill in Niantic 2010/04/13 20:47:50 (edited)
    Bill in Niantic
    +4
    None of what you say is true.
    Gun Shows are required to do the same background checks as a gun dealer.
    Shouldn't we ban cars & swimming pools? They kill far more people than guns.

    If the 2nd Amendment was overturned, only the criminals and the mentally ill, (and the Tyrannical Government) would have guns. Check out the Crime Rates in England and Australia since they confiscated firearms from law-abiding citizens. Then check out Switzerland's crime rates where every household has a gun.

    The current Government is heading to Tyranny, and We the People have the Right to protect ourselves from all enemies, Foreign & Domestic




    current government heading tyranny people protect enemies foreign domestic freedom
  • Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA 2010/04/13 20:16:30 (edited)
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    +5
    Why don't shut up, and go hang out with the sleaze bags at the Brady Bunch. Tired of hearing it or not, It is a right!!! Not a notion to be change at the Whim of a fool like you.



    When the 2nd Amendment was written it was written by people who feared a tyrannical government, What do you think we have now? A President, House and Senate who ignore the will of the people who "Hired" them. I will not give up even one of my rights for or because of a idiot.



    Great Idea you hate firearms..MOVE...

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