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2013 - The far left won. We are now all equal. No one allowed to have more than anyone else. Everything must be equitable. Precisely how is equity accomplished?

Murph 65 2012/06/14 00:42:31
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What is your plan? In precise terms how do you take from someone and put what you have taken into another's column? Help me understand how this is accomplished, walk me through the steps.
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  • Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/06/14 14:35:25
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    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
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    HI Murph... I found it...

    Now just remember.. I'm one that disagrees with the conservative mindset. It doesn't mean I'm Liberal.

    Hmmm so the far left won....

    Are you saying they won everything? Are you saying that most Americans have now turned Liberal somehow? Are you saying that you really fear those on the left so much that you don't think others should fear you as well?

    Maybe the right should think why people might want to support the left, before we get upset over a non-existing victory. LOL

    I don't care, nor do I feel everyone or everything could possibly ever be equal. But why not make the journey to accomplish a realistic life style as fair as possible for everyone?

    Sure we have those who have great wealth. And believe me, I've heard most of them say they don't mind paying more in taxes... Because they'll just end up charging more to make up the difference.

    And you know what? I wouldn't mind paying more myself, if it helped my fellow American. Is that leftist? Or just American?

    Before I write a book... I'll stop here for some comments..
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/14 15:29:51
    Murph 65
    +2
    No, I'm not saying everyone has turned left. I'm saying the far left won the election, congress, and are in control of every aspect of our lives - every aspect. Everything, repeat everything is now to be equal. That's the mantra so that's what I'm proposing. Now, how, exactly will they impose fair and equal? How do they obtain fair and equal? Remember, it isn't fair that I live in a four-bedroom house, say, and you live in a two bedroom house. How does the gov make that equal? It isn't fair that I worked my butt off in school, tons of studying, lots of hours in effort, ended up with a degree that is actually useful, but the guy next door didn't. How does the gov now make us fair and equal exactly? I own a $10,000 fleet car, but you own a $40,000 whatever, How does the gov now equal that one out? I'm going to live, due to my family having a fantasic gene pool, to be 93. Your family, unfortunately, is blessed with heart disease and ALS. How do we even that out?
    Take the far left, everything fair and equal, and extrapolate that into everything. How do you do it? How do you do any of it? Where do you start and where does it end? When is enough enough?
    I'm not making any kind of political statement here, this is more an exercise in thinking about what you're, you being generic again, actually professing, striving for, believe is the correct way for our country to live, whatever.
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/06/14 15:49:22
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LOL Murph... what you're really asking for is a reason to fear...

    You want someone that's not conservative to tell you that the left wants you to become some sort of socialist.... or at least confirm your worst fears...

    Murph anyone can let their imaginations go wild. And to be honest, I don't think or feel those on the left want to become anymore socialist then what your imagination has led you to.

    So to be honest... there is no answer for your question... At least not from me.


    Sorry if that disappoints you...

    Now flip that coin around... the extreme right-wingers win everything... you guys get your way... No more abortions for anyone... No more welfare for anyone... No more taxes... Corporations are now legalized as humans... We go to war at the drop of a hat... and we now have the right to arrest everyone we think is a socialist...

    What say you?
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/14 16:04:03
    Murph 65
    +1
    Hon, I didn't get past the first paragraph here. Am not asking for a reason to fear. Not asking someone who is not a conservative to tell me anything. This is an exercise in critical thinking, maybe linear thinking. How does government make things fair and equal? What is the fair and equal government is looking for? How far does it extrapolate out? Gov, that's generic gov, state, county, city, etc, is telling us fair and equal. Our kids are buying into fair and equal. How do you make it happen.
    My imagination is leading me nowhere. I have posed a question to make people think about what they are saying and what they are saying might truly mean. Again, how, exactly does one put it into effect? Can you get past the fact that I'm not trying to make you say anything, I'm not making this left or right, the question simply is "The far left," not the far right, told you I'd pose another question, not the libertarians, this one is about the far left and their belief in fair and equal. How do they make it work? Someone at door, later.
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/06/14 16:10:39
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LOL Murph...

    Okay.. I'll bite...

    If I was the far left, I wouldn't have any ideal on how to make everything equal... Why? because everyone should already know what "equal" means.. Thus meaning there is no real answer... It's like morals... everyone should know what morals are... but there's not one morality that fits everyone.

    Hope that works Murph. .

    Now did I pass?

    Because you know what it means if you THINK I failed... and I'll tell you now dear... It means my earlier statements were correct. FEAR.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/14 18:35:47
    Murph 65
    +1
    Let's see. I am afraid of the boogey man. I am afraid of menacing people. I am, to an extent afraid of flying. I am afraid of drowning. I am not afraid of the left, nor am I afraid of the right.
    Of course the far left have an ideal they believe in and an ideal they see for the country. So, too, does the far right. That's just a nonsensical thing to say, "Everyone already knows what equal means." No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality. Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?
    As for passing or failing, if you fail, you fail because you do not answer the question posed. How exactly would "fair and equal" be implemented by the far left, and the same for the question on the far right. What is it you, generic you, see in your head when you think of the country being run and governed as fair and equal? What do you do to implement what you see in your head? It's not an easy answer, it's not a pat answer.
    Everyone complains about the government, congress, etc. Now yo...

    Let's see. I am afraid of the boogey man. I am afraid of menacing people. I am, to an extent afraid of flying. I am afraid of drowning. I am not afraid of the left, nor am I afraid of the right.
    Of course the far left have an ideal they believe in and an ideal they see for the country. So, too, does the far right. That's just a nonsensical thing to say, "Everyone already knows what equal means." No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality. Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?
    As for passing or failing, if you fail, you fail because you do not answer the question posed. How exactly would "fair and equal" be implemented by the far left, and the same for the question on the far right. What is it you, generic you, see in your head when you think of the country being run and governed as fair and equal? What do you do to implement what you see in your head? It's not an easy answer, it's not a pat answer.
    Everyone complains about the government, congress, etc. Now you are in charge. You sit on the far left side of the table. You have won all the marbles. What, exactly, are you going to do to implement your fair and equal government? Again, taking money from some and giving to others is only part of an equation and way too easy an answer. And if you go with that, how much money are you going to take? Who exactly are you going to give it to? What are you going to do if those you take the money from no longer have enough to supply to whoever you give it to? Are those you give it to now going to be required to do something with the money so that they will be able to give to those coming along behind them? What changes are you going to make in the way people live, are educated, infrastructure, the governing body? Do you see what I'm getting at?
    So now, by good friend, Mr. Contard, you are the HMIC. What are you going to do to make this country fair and equal? Or, and this could be true, I suppose, to you, generic you, all you're interested in is some more money? You don't care how the guy next door got all that money he has, you just want some of it? Or you do care, you want to know how he made it? You want to know how he happened to become successful and you're still eking out a living?
    As I said, not an easy question. Also one that requires some thought to clarify belief systems, ideals, etc.
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  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/06/14 19:07:03
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    ---"Everyone already knows what equal means." No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality. Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?

    I should of said everyone already knows what equal is, in their own minds. Same goes with morals as well.

    Why does one have to believe in the teachings of Christ to have morals?
    I know of plenty of Muslims, bu-dist, Hindi, and a whole host of others that have no issues of knowing morality without reading one lick in that black thumping book. LOL so how does that work for you Murph?

    It's not an easy answer Murph because I don't believe in ideology. One can give an ideological answer, if one is ideological... And since I've lost faith in all ideology, it may give me a failing grade, but from a moral standpoint my conscience is clear...

    LOL how about that for being moral Murph... hehehe.

    Murph for real... I'm in charge? First I make everyone give me the same equivalent as their moral belief allows...

    Meaning I've just now become everyone's god.

    Then I borrow that passa...





    ---"Everyone already knows what equal means." No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality. Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?

    I should of said everyone already knows what equal is, in their own minds. Same goes with morals as well.

    Why does one have to believe in the teachings of Christ to have morals?
    I know of plenty of Muslims, bu-dist, Hindi, and a whole host of others that have no issues of knowing morality without reading one lick in that black thumping book. LOL so how does that work for you Murph?

    It's not an easy answer Murph because I don't believe in ideology. One can give an ideological answer, if one is ideological... And since I've lost faith in all ideology, it may give me a failing grade, but from a moral standpoint my conscience is clear...

    LOL how about that for being moral Murph... hehehe.

    Murph for real... I'm in charge? First I make everyone give me the same equivalent as their moral belief allows...

    Meaning I've just now become everyone's god.

    Then I borrow that passage from the black thumping book and tell everyone except the non-believers that they can't put any other god above me.

    Then I'd outlaw money and make every thing free. And everyone would have to participate and singing and holding hands...

    Since I've made myself a God and have power over the nation, why would anyone need money?

    Is this what you wanted to hear?
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  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/14 20:02:40
    Murph 65
    ---"Everyone already knows what equal means." Sorry, you said everyone should already know what equal means. I misquoted you, left out should.
    "No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality." Which is, of course, true, and why I said maybe we should start with definitions first.

    "Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?"

    "I should of said everyone already knows what equal is, in their own minds. Same goes with morals as well." Yeah, but for us all to be able to address each other and come to some sort of understanding shouldn't we try to find out what each one is thinking on those two itty-bitty words?

    "Why does one have to believe in the teachings of Christ to have morals?" Didn't say one did. I said wouldn't it be an interesting question, would we not get some interesting answers as to where one gets their moral compass. I just used God and Christ, these answers can get way too long, add any of the prophets of whatever religion one wants. That would be part...









    ---"Everyone already knows what equal means." Sorry, you said everyone should already know what equal means. I misquoted you, left out should.
    "No, sir, they don't. What equal means to you may not be the same as what it means to me. Same goes for moral, morals and morality." Which is, of course, true, and why I said maybe we should start with definitions first.

    "Which, by the way, is another interesting question to pose - if you do not believe in God and the teachings of Christ, where do the "morals" you believe in come from? What do you think, would that raise some interesting answers here on SH?"

    "I should of said everyone already knows what equal is, in their own minds. Same goes with morals as well." Yeah, but for us all to be able to address each other and come to some sort of understanding shouldn't we try to find out what each one is thinking on those two itty-bitty words?

    "Why does one have to believe in the teachings of Christ to have morals?" Didn't say one did. I said wouldn't it be an interesting question, would we not get some interesting answers as to where one gets their moral compass. I just used God and Christ, these answers can get way too long, add any of the prophets of whatever religion one wants. That would be part of the "Where does your moral compass come from?" question, I believe.

    "I know of plenty of Muslims, bu-dist, Hindi, and a whole host of others that have no issues of knowing morality without reading one lick in that black thumping book. LOL so how does that work for you Murph?" I think you read more into what I was saying, and once again went for the "gotcha" instead of trying to understand what I was getting at or asking what I was referring to first. So there, yourself.

    "It's not an easy answer Murph because I don't believe in ideology. One can give an ideological answer, if one is ideological... And since I've lost faith in all ideology, it may give me a failing grade, but from a moral standpoint my conscience is clear..." That's fine, don't care if you believe or don't believe. But where does your moral compass come from, dear boy?

    "LOL how about that for being moral Murph... hehehe." It's an answer but it tells me nothing about the future question you and I are going to pose here on SH about where one's moral compass comes from.

    "Murph for real... I'm in charge? First I make everyone give me the same equivalent as their moral belief allows..." This, in fact, might be dangerous, Kiddo, if their moral compass comes from, say, vampires? Watch your back and carry garlic with you, or is it a stake?

    "Meaning I've just now become everyone's god." Move over, god, because you're getting in the way of the goddess, the queen, the mother of all rulers, the don't you dare question what I tell you, *itch. :):):)
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  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/06/14 20:10:22
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    LMAO Murph...

    Okay I think I've come up with an answer in the other blog... if it's not what your looking for, I know you'll continue in that one.. .So we'll have to think of something offline to get us back on the same blog for this issue...

    Okay my morals...

    My morals come from my lifetime of experiences... I feel that I'm still learning what is moral everyday I live.

    In other words I don't set my morals in concrete. Because one learns everyday.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/14 21:46:25
    Murph 65
    +1
    Okay, I'll buy that. But why tell the truth when you can lie? Where did telling the truth come from?
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/06/14 22:02:39
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    Telling the truth or relating a personal experience which is witness as truth for one? Besides how can you know the truth over generations of interpretation of maybe what others said centuries ago.

    It's so funny to me when others tend to think they can quote what a god said as fact.

    Ever stop to think that maybe the gospel was quoted many centuries before it even made it into a religious document? I've read a few pagan documents that just might start you to thinking about the origins of your faith.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/06/15 14:35:31
    Murph 65
    +1
    Get off me and my faith. I don't care where your "moral compass" came from, just asking? Understanding another human being is a little bit easier if you can comprehend the point from which they start.
    Did you notice there was more response on the far right question than on the far left? What's with the lefties? They have no solution, no idea, no starting point even?
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/06 13:57:15
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LOL Murph... I suppose the left knows that your baiting them.

    It's a matter of trust Murph... I suppose their interpersonal conscientiousness is telling them not to answer but to question your motives.

    They don't understand you, and you don't understand them... They ask the same of you and yours about solutions...and they don't see you and yours as having any.... Sometimes they can't even "talk" to you and yours... because YOU don't want to hear anything when you consider them nothing more then "socialists".
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/06 14:16:44
    Murph 65
    +1
    LOL, baiting? I think you must be somewhat paranoid, buddy. I am not baiting. I set up a question to get information. You talk all the time about the two sides getting together and stopping the ideology. I'm interested in what the other side thinks, what they want. Then I can make a reasonable and knowledgeable determination of whether I agree or disagree, whether they have some good ideas or not. I'm beginning to think that "ideology" thingy is one you might use to LOL at people whose opinions you disagree with. Hmmm? :)
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/06 14:31:56
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LMAO Murph..

    Um are you baiting me now? Paranoid... hmmm... I'm not paranoid because I'm neither leftist or fear to answer you...

    See Murph, that's why you can't claim that I'm leftist...

    Just because i'm giving you a perspective of what others might think, it's nothing more then that.

    Let me ask you think... every time a Right-winger calls someone a socialist or a Marxists, would you be inclined to trust their inquiries?

    There's no trust there Murph... But I'm sure that you see by me answering from my perspective that it's only what I can presume they think...
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/06 20:22:01
    Murph 65
    +1
    Every time a left-winger calls someone a Nazi, Marxist, evil, racist, would you be inclined to trust their inquiries? From my reading of your posts and answers to people's remarks, you appear to lean to the left, not the middle, definitely not right. So what am I to infer? And where is there no trust? I'm answering from my perspective here....
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/07 14:45:37
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    Hmmm, interesting response Murph....

    I'd be more inclined to agree with someone on the left because they have somewhat the same agenda I have about the right..
    Socially the right is wrong on about 95% of social issues.

    I agree with the right on fiscal matters, but everything on the social side of it will never make any kind of sense for me when it comes to the right.

    Now the Left isn't all right about social issues as well. I'm not willing to continue giving to a bunch of lazy folks, and I've as well had enough of illegals.

    And what I get most upset over is being labeled Murph...
    I'm just not going to allow myself to be labeled. Too be labeled especially as a partisan is disgusting! Makes me feel violated.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/08 02:12:50
    Murph 65
    +1
    The right is wrong on about 95% of social issues - that is just a crock. I don't care what people label me. I know what I believe and who I am so if it makes someone feel better about themselves to label me whatever, they can have at it.
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/08 11:20:52
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    Murph... the 95% comment was MY OPINION only.

    Meaning I also don't care what you think your values are, because YOUR values have NO business imposing themselves upon others.

    And that's what conservatives can't seem to get... Why? Because if you don't believe in their value one ALSO gets label... :)
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/08 13:46:50
    Murph 65
    +1
    I think the problem is the word "imposing." Because I pretty much feel the same way about the left - I don't care what your values are because YOUR values have NO business imposing themselves upon others. And that's what liberals can't seem to get...Why? Because if you don't believe in their values, one ALSO gets labeled.

    It's hard to deal with that bit about you have a right to do whatever you want until that right infringes on my right to do whatever. :)
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/08 14:03:17
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    That's were we disagree...

    Take for instance CHOICE...

    What is choice? Letting individual choose... right?

    So explain the Socialist Pro Lifer's Murph...

    This is going to be good...

    I'll get some coffee... let you gather some thoughts as to why we should have to deal with Pro Lifer's that want to take away personal choice....
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/08 17:36:53
    Murph 65
    +1
    Get your coffee and hold your breath. I say again, It's hard to deal with that bit about you have a right to do whatever you want until that right infringes on my right to do whatever. :)
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/08 18:47:19
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/08 21:56:17
    Murph 65
    +1
    Okay, so you found a picture of Bush that you think is funny. Great. Shall I go try to find a few of the big O? What does this stupid picture have to do with what we are talking about. Is it at all possible for you to be less obtuse in every conversation and say exactly what it is you mean? :)
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/09 13:28:05
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    LMAO... Murph it only meant I was confused by your reply... I thought you like that pic... :)

    Now to the point again, and please directly to the point.. you made a claim that the left is "imposing"...

    I gave you a direct scenario on how the right has "imposed" by the Pro Life advocates wanting to end a woman's choice of how she want's to come to a personal decision.

    Your response was confusing... why? It's either that conservatives and Pro Lifer's want to "impose" their will upon others or not....

    Meaning conservative Pro Lifer's are socialists.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/10 00:15:08
    Murph 65
    +1
    No one truly believes that the ability of a woman to get an abortion on demand is going away no matter who in the hell is in the WH. If someone does believe it then they aren't playing with a full deck. Do I believe that I am not required to pay for someone's birth control? You gd well believe it. Birth control is cheap. Birth control goes against what I believe in. You want to sleep around, buy your own birth control, don't come to me for my hard-earned pay to help you sleep around with the comfort of knowing you won't get pregnant. And if you can't afford the pittance for your own birth control, try keeping your knees together and your you know what in your pants.


    Whatever meaning conservative pro lifers are socialists means, who knows... The problem comes when your rights to whatever you want butt right up against my rights and whatever I want. There is no easy or right way out of that scenario. It is not a problem that is going to be solved by your "let's not talk ideology" scenario. And it may be in many cases that we never come together. So what? That's what makes the world turn and makes our form of government work - sometimes you win, sometimes I win.
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/10 11:39:08
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    LMAO...

    No on truly believes that abortion "on demand" as you put it, will end.

    Sure Murph... try to get one in Mississippi.

    Only ONE clinic left and they tried to shut that down. So what now Murph? Will we all be forced to pay more in WIC, Medicare, Education, housing, etc, etc, etc... in Mississippi because the girls can't just keep their knees shut?

    LMAO....

    Thanks Murph for supporting an added burden upon our society...

    See you guys think you've fiscally responsible, but really don't have the guts to fully support it.

    See... that's not a "leftists" idea of mine... I'm willingly to make a investment in BC if it keeps population down. When population increases... guess who ALL pays?
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/05 18:42:21
    Murph 65
    +1
    Hell, I don't have a clue as to what's going on here, it's been too dadgum long. I will tell you that I try very hard not to say anything with a "gotcha, you have to answer this way" bit in it. So if you're still thinking that I'm trying to trap you in some fashion, forget it and get over it. I don't, or I try very hard to be clear in what I put down and not do that. Anyway, this conversation has also been too long ago, so have a great Sunday and a good week. Hopefully, I'll be able to get back on SH for a couple of hours at a time this week instead of two or three minutes, five minutes here and there. See ya, good buddy.
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/06 13:58:44
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LOL... Yes... I had to read through several of our prior replies just to answer above... LOL
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/06 14:17:35
    Murph 65
    +1
    I'm getting too old for this. I'm even getting lost on what original posts I'm on. You have a great Monday, Kiddo, and keep them in line.
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/05 18:38:35
    Murph 65
    +1
    Well, we'll just call this one a pass because you write in a way to be as unclear as possible. You manage to write three paragraphs and at the end I still have no idea to what you are referring. So whatever it is, we're agreeing to disagree or we're agreeing to agree, whichever. But I don't fear anything except maybe someone getting into my house and getting to me before I can pick up my shotgun and blast the holy hell out of them. :)
  • Contard... Murph 65 2012/08/06 13:59:23
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +1
    LOL... Murph...
  • Murph 65 Contard... 2012/08/06 14:18:17
    Murph 65
    +1
    Be sure to knock and identify yourself or even yes, ma'am will not help you!!! :)
  • Robert ... Contard... 2012/08/05 01:33:28 (edited)
    Robert Morgan
    +1
    "Corporations are now legalized as humans"

    Corporations have been considered people since the early 1500's by English common law. The only people who think that's a new thing are idiots, and yes that was directed at you :)

    Even the violent OWS protesters agree that corporations have to be people in order for our legal system to work, and they've discussed this at length (http://occupywallst.org/foru...

    Consider this: Under the US Constitution, ONLY people can be sued, that's been established by SCOTUS decision for more than a century. The biggest consequence of legislating corporations as NOT people would be making them immune from liability. The whole reason we consider them as people is so that they can be sued.
    You are literally arguing for allowing them to take over by removing all accountability from them! STOP IT!
  • Contard... Robert ... 2012/08/06 14:01:54
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    LMAO...

    Um there's a saying in Texas which is more then what any Legal avenue can argue.

    So until you can strap a corporation into an electric chair and give it some "juice" it's not human.
  • Robert ... Contard... 2012/08/05 01:29:40
    Robert Morgan
    +1
    " I wouldn't mind paying more myself, if it helped my fellow American. Is that leftist? Or just American?"

    I'd tend to agree, but it would still have to be YOUR decision before I'd be comfortable.

    You choosing to give more to help someone out is much different than a 3rd party in essence putting a gun to your head and saying you WILL help others regardless of want.
    It's hard to describe raising taxes in any other way than that.
  • Contard... Robert ... 2012/08/06 14:04:19
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    LMAO...

    So then who's strapping a gun to all our heads when we start a war of choice?

    See we DON'T get to pick and choose what our tax dollars are spent on.

    But for some reason you'll find the "chicken hawk" way to dismiss it...
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/14 01:52:50
    This is how I think it would be accomplished....
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Look around... they're already doing it!
  • Murph 65 Magnus ... 2012/06/14 15:32:11
    Murph 65
    Okay, what is it that they're doing? Where do we as a country finally end up? How do they get us to fair and equal. Pick a starting place and follow it through down to the minutia. Is it possible to make it all fair and equal or do some things remain unfair and unequal? And who is on the beneficiary side of the unfair and unequal and who is on the side left with the unfair and unequal? You know what I mean? Who benefits even though things are unequal and who does not after all has been done that can be done to make them equal?
  • Magnus ... Murph 65 2012/06/14 19:07:26
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Ever heard of the Communist Manifesto? How about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (a document of the 1800's, which of course, blames the Jews - it isn't the Jews, but it absolutely reflects the pickle we and the rest of the world are in today, even describes the world wars BEFORE THEY EVEN HAPPENED). Start there and perhaps your eyes will be opened to the evil festering and entangling this Nation too.

    By the way, we have a Proletariat in the White House... and this idiot Congress we have gave him the NDAA 2012, which of course our Proletariat would not sign UNTIL the Indefinite Detention clause applied to not only foreign Nationals, but to AMERICAN CITIZENS. And lest you have forgotten, our POLICE has become Para-Military, in violation of a host of now null and void legislation, and especially our Constitution that has become equally as null and void. And that's just for starters... there's so much more.

    However, I say we have a Proletariat in the White House because, and this should answer the question of "Where do we as a country finally end up?":

    Marx·ism [mahrk-siz-uhm]

    noun

    The system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation ...

    Ever heard of the Communist Manifesto? How about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (a document of the 1800's, which of course, blames the Jews - it isn't the Jews, but it absolutely reflects the pickle we and the rest of the world are in today, even describes the world wars BEFORE THEY EVEN HAPPENED). Start there and perhaps your eyes will be opened to the evil festering and entangling this Nation too.

    By the way, we have a Proletariat in the White House... and this idiot Congress we have gave him the NDAA 2012, which of course our Proletariat would not sign UNTIL the Indefinite Detention clause applied to not only foreign Nationals, but to AMERICAN CITIZENS. And lest you have forgotten, our POLICE has become Para-Military, in violation of a host of now null and void legislation, and especially our Constitution that has become equally as null and void. And that's just for starters... there's so much more.

    However, I say we have a Proletariat in the White House because, and this should answer the question of "Where do we as a country finally end up?":

    Marx·ism [mahrk-siz-uhm]

    noun

    The system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

    Notice the order here... our Capitalism starting to falter (no doubt not of it's own ovation - it's had a hell of a lot of help getting to the point it is at today), a Proletariat instating Dictatorship (almost ALWAYS through Martial Law), and then the superseding of the SOCIALIST system, and an equally POOR society. That's where we're going. I can't explain everything and anything that these Trojan Horse operatives of Marxism have done in or to this Nation, I am after all only 22 years old and this crap if history is anything to go by, has been festering and growing in this Nation since the 1950's. All I know is, they've done it, they're doing it, and it looks damn well like they're going to succeed.
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