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2010 Census posters depict Jesus' birth: Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?

James Alex 2009/12/21 22:59:40
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A push to spread the gospel about the 2010 Census this Christmas is stoking controversy with a campaign that links the government count to events surrounding the birth of Jesus. The National Association of Latino Elected Officials is leading the distribution to churches and clergy of thousands of posters that depict the arrival of Joseph and a pregnant Mary in Bethlehem more than 2,000 years ago...

It is promoting the Census, used to help allocate $400 billion a year in federal dollars, redraw state and local political districts and determine the number of seats each state gets in Congress.

Read More: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2009-12...

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  • kahless 2009/12/21 23:23:31
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    kahless
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    There is nothing written in the constitution except that the feds cannot dictate what religion you will worship....having said that, how can you seperate church and state...thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultry, etc.....seems that the govt has taken the ten commandments out of their entire lives not just their office in govt. You cannot govern without the help of god, you throw god out all you have is what we have now....a senate and congress who could care less about what you think. They are going to pass a bill that authorizes the killing of babies (ABORTION) and you and I are going to pay for it, literally. Not one democratic senator stood up for the lives of the unborn except Nelson and as soon as they met his price he turned out to have feet of clay, he was bought......God help them and the lives they are about to terminate.

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  • Eighmy_Lupin 2010/01/10 17:03:30 (edited)
    Church and state are still separate, and have no business with each other.
    Eighmy_Lupin
    I dont get why the Churchs wont get there noses out of state stuff I mean come on even the Bible says Jeues said to separate it.
  • Kylie 2010/01/06 20:59:34
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    Kylie
    +1
    The gov't found that they can gain more using the church
  • Isma'ila (God has heard)! 2009/12/28 01:28:08
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    Isma'ila (God has heard)!
    Oh get over it! No one got hurt!
  • Courtne... Isma'il... 2012/07/26 21:50:14
    Courtney Hammett
    Except freedom and liberty.
  • gamman 2009/12/23 19:36:47
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    gamman
    The story is that Mary and Joseph travelled to Bethlehem due to a census decreed by the emporer so it is a relevant historical parallel. Perhaps the government thinks that this census will cause someone to move to a new place and give birth to a prophet of some kind.

    Luke 2
    1And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. 2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) 3And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. 4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) 5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
    6And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. 7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
  • Courtne... gamman 2012/07/26 21:50:34
    Courtney Hammett
    Proven false by historical records.
  • a 2009/12/23 18:35:41
    Separation of church and state? Blah!
    a
    No where in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state. Get over it atheist!
  • Courtne... a 2012/07/26 21:51:36
    Courtney Hammett
    Actually, it does say that in the Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting establishment of religion.
  • Torchy 2009/12/23 18:28:24
    Church and state are still separate, and have no business with each other.
    Torchy
    +1
    Regardless of my feelings of separation of church and state, this is a common sense "Duh!" to be filed under 'Harmless.'

    I mean really, it's being given to CHURCHES...not distributed door to door to people of varying religions. And Mary and Joseph traveled because of the census, so the linking up is understandable especially if it's going to be distributed to only churches. I'm not very religious, but I do like common sense. Getting your knickers in a twist over this is pretty much a waste of time and effort.
  • Courtne... Torchy 2012/07/26 21:52:04
    Courtney Hammett
    I agree. I'm not religious, but it's kinda harmless.
  • sparta 2009/12/23 18:17:04
    Separation of church and state? Blah!
    sparta
    People of ignoramuses when it comes to the Constitution...yet another example of stupidity
  • Courtne... sparta 2012/07/26 21:53:11
    Courtney Hammett
    No establishment of religion. They are not talking about denomination. But even if they were, it's the 21st century! America does not only belong to Christians. However, I agree this is an insignificant event no one should care about.
  • Judi 2009/12/23 17:26:33
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    Judi
    I would need to know who put this together before laying total blame and what kind of blame. It is really hard to be believe the far left progressives currently in power did this --unless it is in jest.
  • jackolantyrn356 2009/12/23 16:27:56
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    jackolantyrn356
    I have no real problem with this, buit my concern is that this Latino move is both curt and dangerous.... The asence of religion in the Constitution was a hiy on the Caholic church of that period of time whaich had a war against the people of Europe. called the Inquisition. For instance in Spain Napoliat at the beginning of the 19th Century rescued several thousand people from jails and torture chambers of that office of the Church. America wanted no such situation in this country. Install the Catholic Church again and a Pope will come alonf=g that will statrt this all over again. Of course the Eugenics people will love it even those in the WH. Far Fetched???? I don[t think so (Look at the NAZIs )
  • Courtne... jackola... 2012/07/26 21:53:30
    Courtney Hammett
    What?
  • imotley 2009/12/23 13:18:01
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    imotley
    Where in the Constitution does it say there is separation. Only that the State cannot establish a religion, and they can not impede the practce of religion. It would appear that they are using the pictures as an symbolic example. Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem because of the census...
  • Courtne... imotley 2012/07/26 21:53:50
    Courtney Hammett
    There's no historical account that even happened.
  • unicorn... Courtne... 2012/07/27 01:07:09
    unicorn_lady1
    You do not consider the Bible a historical account? From that time period what do you consider a historical account? Just curious.
  • unicorn_lady1 2009/12/23 06:30:46
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    unicorn_lady1
    "The National Association of Latino Elected Officials is leading the distribution to churches and clergy of thousands of posters"

    Something to keep in mind is that most Latinos are Catholic and very proud of their religion.
  • Courtne... unicorn... 2012/07/26 21:54:02
    Courtney Hammett
    +1
    Ohh, yes they are.
  • The Big Taboo [AKA Phuck No... 2009/12/23 01:54:36
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    The Big Taboo [AKA Phuck Norris]
    The principle of separation of church and state actually doesn't exist explicitly in the Constitution. That was just Thomas Jefferson's interpretation which he voiced in a letter to the Baptist congregation of Danbury, Connecticut. The context was in actuality more geared at expressing the idea of the government being prohibited from making them change their way of worship.
  • seathan... The Big... 2009/12/28 22:15:22
    seathanaich
    +1
    Neither does "votes for women", or "don't keep black people as slaves". Doesn't make these bad ideas, does it?
  • The Big... seathan... 2009/12/28 22:17:05
    The Big Taboo [AKA Phuck Norris]
    Both of the prior matters were revised by amendments to the Constitution, and if the latter is to be acknowledged as Constitutional precept, it will have to be added as an amendment.
  • Courtne... The Big... 2012/07/26 21:55:34
    Courtney Hammett
    Separation of church and state is already there. No amendment needed...
  • Courtne... The Big... 2012/07/26 21:54:47
    Courtney Hammett
    Yes, but the separation works both ways. If the church can get involved in politics, we should tax it.
  • asian 2009/12/22 20:50:39
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    asian
    +1
    People get so up tight about the "relighion" stuff. Personally, it would do most people some good, going to church. They always cry when anybody says anything remotely close to Jesus, or, heaven forbid, Christmas. But do you see anyone fighting tooth and nail for the rights of the unborn child?
    The government is not telling people what to believe- its all about advertising and campaigning. Quite frankly, maybe the people who designed the poster knew it would attract attention by saying "Jesus" so their strategy is working.
  • Y Knot Knit?~ in GOD I trust 2009/12/22 20:45:12
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    Y Knot Knit?~ in GOD I trust
    +1
    There's nothing constitutionally wrong with this. There is only a law about the government not being able to tell people what religion to follow.
    Almost all of our laws,too, have something to do with the Bible... the 10 commandments for example: thou shall not kill, steal, etc. If you take religion out of government you'll have NOTHING. We all might as well resort back to living in caves. Almost everything religion is in someway connected with the government. There would be no morals lef tin the world! You take that away, we have everything that we're working hard to stop*

    *of course our current government isn't very much different than what I just described. Abortion anyone...?
  • Herb 2009/12/22 20:21:03
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    Herb
    tell me where the seperation of church and state are in the constituion and ill kiss your ass its not. someone smart want to tell me where the sepreme court got it.
    it says the government shall not abrige the right to religion or free speech.
    someone smart want to tell me what religion the country was founded on from the mayflower on. guess that sums it up.
    the founder did not want a government run church, they didn't say religion and government counld work together reserch the founders quotes they were for religion and office. as a matter or fact 52 out of 55 serverd in their churches.
  • seathan... Herb 2009/12/28 22:14:10
    seathanaich
    Tell me where "women can vote too" or "black people shouldn't be slaves" is in the constitution, Herb. Can an idea only be good if it's in "the Constitution"?
  • Herb seathan... 2009/12/29 07:42:11
    Herb
    ideas can be good ,but the laws are the law based on the constitution. if the founders didn't put it in then its not part of our system. thats a fact. the u.s is soverign nation and it has been giuided by this document for 250 yrs. unless we ad an admendment which has to be radified by 2/3 majority of states. if not in there it's unconstitutional.
  • medwreck 2009/12/22 19:53:57 (edited)
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    medwreck
    It doesn't make any damn sense, but what difference does it make?

    Oh I had to edit my comment when I realized it was the picture I was supposed to be addressing. Might not be the best way to get non-Christians to respond to the census, so it is probably wrong for its likelihood of producing inaccurate (and thus unfair) results.
  • unicorn... medwreck 2009/12/23 06:33:23
    unicorn_lady1
    It is being distributed in Latino Churches .. not going to find many non-believers there.
  • jackola... unicorn... 2009/12/23 16:31:18
    jackolantyrn356
    +1
    But there are people who have a tendency of out lawing churches other than their own. This is hiiooked to the Catholic Church bog time,
  • jackola... medwreck 2009/12/23 16:30:01
    jackolantyrn356
    Ya know, I tend to give a response in my replys. I have a feeling yours may have been most similatr to my own.
  • seathanaich 2009/12/22 18:51:07
    Church and state are still separate, and have no business with each other.
    seathanaich
    That's ridiculous, even by American standards.
  • IloveEdwardNotJacob 2009/12/22 18:38:11
    Separation of church and state? Blah!
    IloveEdwardNotJacob
    I fully think that the church and state should be completely seprate, but that they have a hard time with that. Let me explain. The general rules that were set of not killing, not stealing, not cheating were based off of the ten comandments. When the constitution was written the forefathers did not see this as a problem because the majority of people were christan. Now a days there are many diffrent religions and they have their own rules. By putting the birth of Jesus on posters then you are shutting down the other religions such as Muslims, Jewish persons, ect. by doing this what kind of message is being sent?
  • unicorn... IloveEd... 2009/12/23 06:34:54
    unicorn_lady1
    It's not meant for Muslim or Jewish or men on the street.. it is meant for Churches. Latinos are very religious and don't care to have their religion put down.
  • Beckster 2009/12/22 16:35:09
    Separation of church and state? Blah!
    Beckster
    this country was based on religious freedom. The founding fathers themselves prayed. Now here is an idea if you don't like hearing about the birth of christ then don't celebrate christmas. i mean hello his name is even in the date!
  • seathan... Beckster 2009/12/22 18:52:33
    seathanaich
    "this country was based on religious freedom."
    "if you don't like hearing about the birth of christ then don't celebrate christmas"

    Are you capable of even seeing the hypocricy of what you have written here? How do you justify telling people what to do one mere sentence after having appealed to people's sense of freedom?
  • unicorn... seathan... 2009/12/23 06:35:38
    unicorn_lady1
    That made no sense. :(

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