15-Year-Old Girl Shot And Killed In Kenwood Neighborhood Park - At least 18 murdered in Chicago within the first 10 days of the year - Gun control working?

by Quietman ~PWCM~JLA Posted 2013/01/30 17:51:00

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CHICAGO (CBS) – A teenage girl–an honor student who had just performed at President Obama’s inaugural–was gunned down Tuesday afternoon in the Kenwood neighborhood, just blocks from the high school she attended.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/29/15-year-old-girl-shot-...

With at least 18 homicides in the first ten days of 2013, Chicago, Illinois is on pace for more than 700 murders this year - a figure which would far surpass last year’s 516 and leave New York City’s murder rate in the dust.

In 2012, a total of 516 people were murdered in Chicago, most of which occurred in the city’s notoriously dangerous West and South Sides. Last year’s deadliest month was August, in which 57 people were murdered in the Windy City, many at the end of a gun barrel.

But this year there have already been 18 homicides in Chicago, six of which occurred throughout a single weekend. The city has already accumulated more than twice as many murders as Detroit, which saw a 20-year high in homicides in 2012. At the current rate of two or more murders per day, Chicago is on pace to accumulate more than 730 homicides this year, which would be a record high since 1997.

http://rt.com/usa/news/18-chicago-year-murder-812/

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Jesse 2013/01/30 18:07:24

No

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No and it never will, but don't waste your time trying to get the left to see that b/c they are willfully stupid.
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ysosa96 2013/02/02 22:31:54

No

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NO!!! Criminals will not turn in their guns! If you ban or control guns only the good citizens with registered guns will turn them in. Criminals don't obey laws WTF

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none 2013/02/02 14:11:35

No

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If gun control really worked Chicago would be one of the safest cities in the country, it's NOT. Gun control is NOT about guns, it's about CONTROL.

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RJ~PWCM~JLA 2013/02/02 13:51:32

No

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More people die in Chicago than soldiers in Afghanistan, but as long as a Democrat is mayor, it's not a problem.

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goatman112003 2013/02/01 02:16:39

No

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They never work and it seems the left has a death wish on themselves.

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skowcog 2013/02/01 00:23:06

No

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Absolutely not! But those democrats don't get it. Enforce the laws. Stop pussy footing with the criminals get serious. Bring in the National Guard. Show force in those nieghborhoods.

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Cat 2013/02/01 00:12:50

No

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Neither gun control nor Illinois socialism is working.
Will President Obama recognize this?
I doubt it.

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RED DAWN 2013/01/31 20:54:50

No

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Sounds like the shooters had good control of their guns.

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Louisa - Enemy of the State 2013/01/31 19:38:00
Old Timer 2013/01/31 15:07:34

No

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Go Chicago.

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Lady Whitewolf 2013/01/31 10:32:16

No

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Very sad.

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redhorse29 2013/01/31 08:35:09

Yes

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This is gun control. Chicago and New York have more gun laws on the book than any other city. That is why there are more armed criminals in those cities than in the general population. The government wants the citizens helpless and fearful both outside and at home. FEAR IS THE ALLY OF EXPANDED GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

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phil.olding.3 2013/01/31 07:11:46

No

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Gun control is not working. It's not controlling guns OR crime.

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yomamma 2013/01/31 07:07:09

No

Perhaps it has to do with the rate of unemployment. High unemployment hurts all of us, not just the unemployed. Makes people crazy and insecure. Some live in fear everyday of being laid off or fired. People become paranoid and irritable. I think suicide rates are up too, but I haven't heard of any statistics on that.

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Redneck 2013/01/31 06:45:02

No

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Hows that strict gun control working there, Rohm?

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BigFig#9 2013/01/31 04:48:07

Yes

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Where do you think those guns come from - places with free and open no questions asked come one, come all, straw-man purchaser welcome states.If we truly had a national background check law and if you were truly responsible for each gun you had where would the bangers get their guns after a few years? There's no quick fix but universal background checks and statutory responsibility for the guns you buy would start to put a squeeze on Chicago, Detroit and other cities where a straw-man can make a fortune supplying all the gang bangers.

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Amasaman to BigFig#9 2013/01/31 16:02:08

All the gun laws in Chicago hasn't put a squeeze on anything there, yet.

Considering the prosecution rate is so low for falsifying information of a 4473 form, what good will it do? (Yes, there is a question related to straw purchases on the form.)

To me murder, the taking of someone's life, is the worst crime that can be commited. So how do all those other offenses get overlooked by criminals on the way to commiting murder?
It is obvious that the criminals don't obey the laws, especially piddly little ones like tranporting an unregistered firearm into Chicago in the first place, and the multitude of other firearms laws they've broken before they even pull the trigger.

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BigFig#9 to Amasaman 2013/01/31 18:44:37

Generally speaking it's not the murderer who made the purchase - generally it's the straw-man purchaser profiteer. There are a number of obstructionist policies on those who do fill out a 4473 fraudulently such as the 24 hour rule which causes evidence of falsified documentation to be destroyed unless a court order is received within that short span. At best, effective gun policies need to be implemented at state levels but with uncontrolled state borders even that is somewhat futile. Even WITH controlled borders, it's not perfect. 75% of Canadian gun crime happens with guns smuggled from here and that's in a country that doesn't in anyway prohibit guns, they just insist on registration and background checks (for hand-guns).

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roboto to BigFig#9 2013/02/02 16:04:49 (edited)

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1. That doesn't explain why the crime rate is higher in Chicago and Washington than Atlanta...at worst it should be about the same or bit better.
2. Drugs are illegal...it doesn't seem that drugs have dissapeared.

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TJ 2013/01/31 03:29:02

No

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Making guns illegal won't get them off the streets. It will just disarm the upstanding citizens.

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dallasjoe 2013/01/31 03:01:05 (edited)

Yes

As long as the victims are Black yeah the NRA think that is what Gun Control able to Aim and Shoot. You know she was asking for it, after she was Black and there fore a GANG BANGER. I think the President should drive it up a notch and show up at the Funeral, you know Rev Phelps will be there. I do not believe any of that other than that the President should go to the Funeral

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timberwolf to dallasjoe 2013/01/31 03:30:43

WOW.... lol...

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Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2013/01/31 02:56:30

No

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Gun control is the reason for all these deaths. Defenseless citizens.

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dallasjoe to Torchma... 2013/01/31 03:02:08

OK arm 15 yo not old enough to drive but old enough to pack heat.

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Jesse to Torchma... 2013/01/31 03:10:03

Thank you

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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2013/01/31 02:01:31

No

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And in light of some evidence I have listed here, I get to wondering. Could it be that somebody is setting this stuff up?

http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

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USAISME 2013/01/31 01:56:30

No

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No. The only gun control that works is the ability for an innocent person to shoot straight and take the criminal element out...........

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AL 2013/01/31 01:36:34

No

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do we really need any more proof about how gun contol doesn't work?

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socokid 2013/01/31 01:15:34

Yes

Hello. 2010 would like to have a word with you...

http://articles.chicagotribun...

You can now carry handguns in Chicago. You could not before this time.

So... what were you saying again? I couldn't here you over the "people not being murdered" with more relaxed gun laws. *sigh*

Some of the most relaxed gun laws in the world gets you this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

So, you can stop with the silliness now. Everyone that wants a gun, already has one in this country, and no one is taking anything away. The current serious proposals are for future purchases, and do not remove one's right to buy a gun. They are reasonable restrictions, like the ones we already have in place for weapons, and like the ones we have in place for countless other things. Grow up.

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AL to socokid 2013/01/31 01:44:40

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LMAO! Most people still don't understand, that OPEN carry is Legal in a lot of states in fact! Someone even challenged the Oregon police with he's constitutional right to OPENLY carry in public in fact! Seems they didn't even know about open carry themselves!

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dallasjoe to AL 2013/01/31 03:04:02

Yeah the guy was carrying in a Mall a few weeks after another guy in Oregon shot up an other mall

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AL to dallasjoe 2013/01/31 06:12:37

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And if there was a LEGAL gun own there, with a gun of his own at the time- it just might have ended a lot better as well! Problem is all these shootings are happening in these insane GUN FREE ZONES to start with!

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socokid to AL 2013/01/31 12:59:28

More guns isn't the answer. Can either of you dweebs explain this? In a country that is filled to the brim with guns? In a country where we sell massive amounts of guns to people, have some of the most relaxed gun laws in the developed WORLD?

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Huh...

Now, of course, I already posted this stuff. But, like most children with fingers in their ears, you sometimes have to show them things twice. (parent of two kids here)

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Amasaman to socokid 2013/01/31 16:26:28

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Well, of course they cherry picked their data to put on the chart. Mexico, which they mentioned in the article, is not included. Why? They have some of the most restrictive guns laws and a much higher murder rate. Hmmm, just like Chicago?

Czech Republic has much more relaxed laws regarding concealed carry than the US, and much lower murder rate. Why is that not on the chart? Because it doesn't fit with the exploitative gun control agenda, perhaps?

Of course they don't mention that Switzerland issues full-auto rifles to their citizens to keep at home upon serving a stint in their military. Again, that flies in the face of the gun controllers and their precious statistics.

They do mention places like Honduras, but if they were truly honest, they would also mention the Bahamas, like Mexico, with very restrictive gun laws, extremely difficult to get them there (being islands) yet a very high murder rate.

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socokid to Amasaman 2013/02/01 15:00:57

cherry picked their data to put on the chart. Mexico, which they mentioned in the article, is not included. Why?
So, as long as we are second, it's OK?

LOL... *sigh*

The Czech Republic? You are now comparing the US to the Czech Republic to make a point? Are you listening to yourself? Look at the graph. It's a problem no matter WHAT the other countries are doing. Jesus Christ, man. Comment on it, or just stop.

Of course they don't mention that Switzerland issues full-auto rifles to their citizens to keep at home upon serving a stint in their military
Of course you didn't mention the vast majority of them choose to not keep the weapons, or that those that are kept are taken to have their fully automatic functionality stripped form the gun before giving it to them after their service.

Of course you didn't mention that the ammunition given was ordered to be returned, and by 2011 had 99% of it back. Or that ammunition can be bought at a shooting range, but must be used there.

etc, etc..

The Bahamas? Dude... *sigh*

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Amasaman to socokid 2013/02/01 15:29:19

It's obvious you are oblivious to reality. Compare gun laws and intentional homicide rates and you will see.

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AL to socokid 2013/01/31 21:19:54

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Mexico has less legal guns then most every other country on earth, yet it's one of the most violent countries now as well! There goes your false argument my friend

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socokid to AL 2013/02/01 15:03:24

LOL

Well, as long as we are second to Mexico, we can forget about the wildly out of hand gun death rate in OUR country.

Yay!

/sarcams

Explain why the US is anywhere NEAR the top, with so many guns in our socieity, with such relaxed gun laws, etc... by the logic of you numbskulls, we should have nearly zero crime, zero gun deaths.

We have the opposite, and none of you have even tried to explain it yet. This is VERY telling.

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Amasaman to socokid 2013/02/01 15:27:29

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Again with the "relaxed gun laws" mantra? One word for you: Chicago. And while you are looking that up, look up Kennesaw, Georgia's crime rates and compare the guns laws and crime rates to Chicago.

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socokid to AL 2013/01/31 12:52:43

Hi! Could you please stay on topic, or at least respond to the words I wrote in my post?

This question was suggesting that Chicago's strict gun laws led to an increase in gun murders. I merely evidenced the fact that Chicago's gun deaths rose during a time of RELAXED gun laws. The opposite.

Care to comment on ANY part of my post? No? Then why did you respond to me?

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AL to socokid 2013/01/31 21:23:04

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Unlike yourself,I'm am on topic! Yet you still refuse to see the very tuff gun control laws that make Mexico one of the most violent Countries on earth!

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