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15 Year Old Girl Punched And Pepper Sprayed By Cop

Sean 2012/03/24 21:37:13
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  • AliasOther 2012/03/26 04:28:13
    AliasOther
    +3
    This is a repost:


    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blac...














    This is a repost:


    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blacks do all the crime and that they are not to be trusted. It was also a teaching that when the lynching whites of the south had their kids with them when they lynched. As if to say watch we are gonna show ya how to treat blacks.

    lynching whites south kids lynched watch gonna ya treat blacks

    So even if you are not a racist cop. You give less respect to blacks and you are more likely to harass them or negate their civil rights to freedom. Like freedom to walk from the store or freedom to hang in a parking lot.

    Its not right and white need to re-evaluate how they approach blacks and how they respect us also. his is not Jim Crow.

    Out of compassion for a frantic and confused child he should have attempted to calm her down by explaining what was happening to her and why she had to be handcuffed.
    As he said on the video " You are very small and you are gonna get hurt". He recognized she was freaking out and that she was very frail. Why did he not explain at that point?

    It was because she is black and maybe he thought she knows what happening or She doesn't need an explanation, or even she better obey me or i will whoop her ass.

    You haven't seen it up until now because blacks know that whites would think it doesn't matter they are only 3/5ths of a human anyway.

    And you know what, he probably didn't even know he was thinking that cause he is a victim too.
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  • Prion Indigo 2013/02/14 04:57:37
    Prion Indigo
    See Sean!!! this happened to a FEMALE!
  • Aahz_OneAndOnly 2012/03/27 02:25:09
    Aahz_OneAndOnly
    +1
    This Ain't Right!
    So what is everyone doing about it.
    NOTHING!!!
    Absolutely Nothing.

    If you would not be forgotten
    As soon as you are dead and rotten,
    Either write things worthy reading,
    Or do things worth the writing.
    ~ Ben Franklin
  • AliasOther 2012/03/26 04:28:13
    AliasOther
    +3
    This is a repost:


    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blac...














    This is a repost:


    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blacks do all the crime and that they are not to be trusted. It was also a teaching that when the lynching whites of the south had their kids with them when they lynched. As if to say watch we are gonna show ya how to treat blacks.

    lynching whites south kids lynched watch gonna ya treat blacks

    So even if you are not a racist cop. You give less respect to blacks and you are more likely to harass them or negate their civil rights to freedom. Like freedom to walk from the store or freedom to hang in a parking lot.

    Its not right and white need to re-evaluate how they approach blacks and how they respect us also. his is not Jim Crow.

    Out of compassion for a frantic and confused child he should have attempted to calm her down by explaining what was happening to her and why she had to be handcuffed.
    As he said on the video " You are very small and you are gonna get hurt". He recognized she was freaking out and that she was very frail. Why did he not explain at that point?

    It was because she is black and maybe he thought she knows what happening or She doesn't need an explanation, or even she better obey me or i will whoop her ass.

    You haven't seen it up until now because blacks know that whites would think it doesn't matter they are only 3/5ths of a human anyway.

    And you know what, he probably didn't even know he was thinking that cause he is a victim too.
    (more)
  • Bronar 2012/03/25 15:14:05
    Bronar
    +2
    I'm no fan of cops either, but this girl brought it all upon herself.
  • C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT 2012/03/25 14:06:32
    C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT
    +1
    Damn BACON!!
  • bettyboop 2012/03/25 11:42:47
    bettyboop
    +2
    He probably did not need the pepper spray, she was resisting over and over and over. I don't like cops at all but this guy showed more than the usual amount of patients.
  • shadow76 2012/03/25 08:46:40
    shadow76
    +2
    Doesn't the date say 2007 why is this just being shown now? She is resisting just like every other perp on COPS.
  • AliasOther shadow76 2012/03/26 04:25:36
    AliasOther
    +1
    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blacks do all the crime and that the...














    The reason it is surfacing now is because trayvon has given it legs.

    This happens almost everyday and black hardly ever get justice when it is wrong. This is what black try to get whites to see but they cant because it rarely happens to them and if it does they get justice.

    You Said, " she was resisting ". This is true but ask yourself this.............

    If you were walking home from the store and a cop pulled up beside you and told you to stoip. Then asked your name and then told you to turn around and put your hands behind your back without reason what would you do. ???

    I know you would probably say that you would comply but you may not be from a neighborhood where it happens 3x a week. Cops constantly arresting and harassing your neighborhood.

    Not once did he say, " Miss you are out past curfew and i have to take you to the station and have your parents pick you up." The officer did nothing to calm her accept to threaten force. She is 15 and obviously had never dealt with the police before accept seeing others arrested maybe.

    explain 3% of a states population making up 70% of the people arrested and 60% of those in prison (iowa). It is a sub-conscience thinking that a lot of 3th gen american whites have. It was a house hold teaching that blacks do all the crime and that they are not to be trusted. It was also a teaching that when the lynching whites of the south had their kids with them when they lynched. As if to say watch we are gonna show ya how to treat blacks.

    lynching whites south kids lynched watch gonna ya treat blacks

    So even if you are not a racist cop. You give less respect to blacks and you are more likely to harass them or negate their civil rights to freedom. Like freedom to walk from the store or freedom to hang in a parking lot.

    Its not right and white need to re-evaluate how they approach blacks and how they respect us also. his is not Jim Crow.

    Out of compassion for a frantic and confused child he should have attempted to calm her down by explaining what was happening to her and why she had to be handcuffed.
    As he said on the video " You are very small and you are gonna get hurt". He recognized she was freaking out and that she was very frail. Why did he not explain at that point?

    It was because she is black and maybe he thought she knows what happening or She doesn't need an explanation, or even she better obey me or i will whoop her ass.

    You haven't seen it up until now because blacks know that whites would think it doesn't matter they are only 3/5ths of a human anyway.

    And you know what, he probably didn't even know he was thinking that cause he is a victim too.
    (more)
  • Sean AliasOther 2012/03/26 04:33:24
    Sean
    Insightful Post AliasOther, Thanks.

    I'm sure you're familiar with Dr. Francis Cress Welsing author of the Isis Papers. Do you think what we're seeing in this video supports her theory?
  • volatile 2012/03/25 06:33:24
    volatile
    +1
    I knew this was Florida before I even saw it.
  • Sean volatile 2012/03/25 06:37:38
  • Sgt Major B 2012/03/25 04:54:17
    Sgt Major B
    +2
    A video from 2007?? Follow up on it and you'll find the officer was exonerated.
  • moo 2012/03/25 04:51:00
    moo
    +1
    Oh wow what a douce that cop is. That why I don't like police officers at all.
  • jtjustice 2012/03/25 02:02:57
    jtjustice
    +2
    She deserved what she got that is, unless she was born without ears...
  • Sean jtjustice 2012/03/25 02:14:54
    Sean
    So would you fault her for resisting a mugger?
  • jtjustice Sean 2012/03/25 02:17:02
    jtjustice
    +4
    mugger no, police officer who repeatedly asked for her cooperation - YES,
  • Sean jtjustice 2012/03/25 02:17:48
    Sean
    So what is the difference between resisting a mugger, and resisting a thug in costume?
  • jtjustice Sean 2012/03/25 02:22:44
    jtjustice
    +2
    One has the authority and one is a criminal - and you are a fascist looking for some kind of support from those who believe in following the law - pathetic...
  • Sean jtjustice 2012/03/25 02:26:49
    Sean
    +1
    I think you missed the point, the only difference between a mugger, and a thug in costume IS THE COSTUME!

    I'm pointing the double standards that people have, most find it unacceptable for a mugger to take someone's money to raise funds to get drugs (Most muggers are druggies), ohh but a thug in costume setting out to take someone's freedom away, to confine them to a concentration camp on behalf of the organization called government is acceptable, right!
  • jtjustice Sean 2012/03/25 02:33:59
    jtjustice
    I am NOT a supporter of this government - so let's get that on the record...secondly, you mugger in costume is another person's hero...it is a difference in one's perspective - I would rather die fighting an organization who attempted to confine me be the government or some socialist marxist group of traitors - to me, there is no difference...
  • Sean jtjustice 2012/03/25 02:40:56
    Sean
    +1
    Would you be willing to if you had the means, and support behind you to fight against EVERY government, EVERY corporation?
  • jtjustice Sean 2012/03/25 18:48:09
    jtjustice
    IF they were socialist marxist and communist - YES...I would slaughter them by the bushel and not think a moment of the results...
  • Sean jtjustice 2012/03/25 18:49:58
    Sean
    Forget the terms communist, capitalist, and socialist, my question is would you be willing to fight against every government, and every corporation period?
  • jtjustice Sean 2012/03/25 18:52:07
    jtjustice
    ONLY those who attempt to destroy this Nation - stop with the BS...
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/25 04:32:04
    cellophane
    So you don't believe that anyone should enforce the law? Or that If they attempt to enforce the law and the suspect resists, they ought to just shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh well...."? Do you even believe in the need for law? Or should the dude with the biggest gun rule everyone else?

    Don't get me wrong - in my opinion the only good cops are retired or dead. But SOMEONE needs to enforce the laws - necessary evils: sometimes necessary, always evil.

    I'd say he gave the young lady plenty of opportunity to cooperate. Not doing anything wrong is not an excuse to resist arrest.
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/25 04:37:44
    Sean
    Exactly what good have legal systems done for civilization? Why is it that EVERY society with this cancerous system without exception has collapsed, and societies that are egalitarian have stood the test of time?

    "Or should the dude with the biggest gun rule everyone else?" Let's talk about weaponry, is manufacturing of weaponry a good use of this planet's resources? Would tyranny be possible without weaponry?
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/25 04:43:50
    cellophane
    If there's money to be made selling weapons, someone will manufacture them and sell them. If the only ones who want the guns are the tyrants, then guess who rules? If everyone has guns, then those with the biggest guns/tanks/army/et al will rule. What have legal systems done for civilization? I think it's kept it alive for the past 300-400 years.
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/25 05:05:23
    Sean
    The societies that ACTUALLY have the right to be referred to by the term civilization, the ones that have stood the test of time date back according to anthropologists upwards of 100,000 years, and those are all egalitarian societies, not one society based on money, barter, feudalism, chattel slavery has lasted more than a few centuries.

    So your claim is that legal system which are in place to enforce tyranny are what's keeping civilization alive, really? Try telling that to egalitarian societies which laugh at those of us living in state systems.
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/25 19:27:08
    cellophane
    +1
    I'm interested in these "egalitarian" societies. Give me an example.
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/25 19:36:15
    Sean
    The Petaha Tribe in Brazil, The Massai Tribe in Tanzania, The Native American Tribes, The Polynesian Tribes, The inuits in the Arctic, The Aboriginals in Australia, those are all egalitarian societies, and those societies all predate any state system by a very long time, they have stood the test of time.
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/25 20:03:01
    cellophane
    Define egalitarian as you see it. Are you speaking of a political doctrine ("All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator....."), or are you speaking of socialism?
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/25 20:09:51 (edited)
    Sean
    I don't believe in political systems, also there is not difference between socialism, capitalism, and communism, they are not different systems, and we need to stop using those terms, they're very misleading.

    An egalitarian system is an economic system based on equality, no private ownership of resources, nobody having to go through someone else to get anything, nobody controlling resources, nobody with the ability to prevent you from getting the things you need at all!

    What I advocate for is a technological egalitarian economic system which is what the Zeitgeist Movement, The Buckminster Fuller Institute, and the Venus Project advocate for.

    In a scientifically orientated economic system based entirely on resource management there would be no politics, there would be what works, and what doesn't and what does work would always prevail, it would be the diametrical opposite of what we have now under this cancerous economic system we have around the planet which is to make the point very clear, NO DIFFERENT WHETHER YOU'RE IN NORWAY, AMERICA, OR CUBA!!!!!

    What I advocate for is eliminating these things called countries so people can have freedom of movement which is something we don't have now under this cancerous economic system that is in place around the world today, this is one pl...

    I don't believe in political systems, also there is not difference between socialism, capitalism, and communism, they are not different systems, and we need to stop using those terms, they're very misleading.

    An egalitarian system is an economic system based on equality, no private ownership of resources, nobody having to go through someone else to get anything, nobody controlling resources, nobody with the ability to prevent you from getting the things you need at all!

    What I advocate for is a technological egalitarian economic system which is what the Zeitgeist Movement, The Buckminster Fuller Institute, and the Venus Project advocate for.

    In a scientifically orientated economic system based entirely on resource management there would be no politics, there would be what works, and what doesn't and what does work would always prevail, it would be the diametrical opposite of what we have now under this cancerous economic system we have around the planet which is to make the point very clear, NO DIFFERENT WHETHER YOU'RE IN NORWAY, AMERICA, OR CUBA!!!!!

    What I advocate for is eliminating these things called countries so people can have freedom of movement which is something we don't have now under this cancerous economic system that is in place around the world today, this is one planet, and needs to be ran accordingly.

    My world would be absolutely free of governments, corporations, academic institutions, and religions! Free of admins on the internet, management office in apartment complexes, free of any management, any type of authoritarianism!
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  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/25 21:38:01
    cellophane
    So how do the Maasai people, for example, fit into your idea of nirvana?

    Everyone is equal in the Maasai tribes are equal - so long as they are male and Maasai (they did not gain the reputation as great warriors because of the gardens they grew). Weapons are a necessity as they war with other tribes. No nationalism? Tribalism is definitely rampant among the Maasai.

    What about justice and laws? Does "egalitarian" apply to the Maasai people? They actually have courts of elders that decide how to apply their mostly oral laws.

    And are the Maasai a civilization that pre-dates our modern societies? We don't know an awful lot about them. Their oral histories reach back around 600 years, but they have many tribal offshoots and branches throughout their history - you know, kind of like England spawning the United States....and England has been around for more than a thousand years!

    No, you're going to have to come up with something better than the Maasai before you're going to convince me that only egalitarian societies are truly civilized.
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/26 04:35:46
    Sean
    I say egalitarian is the best because it's a proven economic system, egalitarian societies have no poverty, no crime, no war, no disease, no neuroses, now all of those societies I mentioned are primitive that is not what I am advocating for, I am not interested in living primitive, I advocate for a technological egalitarian economy globally.

    You can read any anthropology text book, and see the oldest existing societies are egalitarian societies, they pre date any state system by a very long time, some of them date back upwards of 100,000 years.
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/26 06:06:55
    cellophane
    Do we have egalitarian societies today that are 100,000 years old and have been egalitarian from the get-go?
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/26 06:09:53
    Sean
    Well those societies are still around, what does that tell us. All societies based on stratification never last more than 500 years if lucky.
  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/26 06:37:34
    cellophane
    Which societies are still around? 100,000 year old societies?

    And European nations and their offshoots have been around for over a thousand years.

    I'm still waiting to view the utopia you think you've found.
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/26 14:07:52
    Sean
    The term utopia is a term that does not make sense because it describes a world that is impossible, a world where nothing ever needs fixing, servicing, where nothing would ever need to be enhanced, advanced, improved in anyway, it describes an absolute perfect world, and that is impossible, there is NEVER a final frontier, that's what the term utopia describes, that is impossible, whether it's your personal life, or all of civilization there will never be a final frontier.

    An egalitarian economic system is one in which is NOBODY is EVER hindered from living their life to the fullest because there aren't any of the barriers that exist in the monetary system, and other related economic systems such as feudalism, chattel slavery, and barter, there's no need to ever go through anyone to get anything, NOBODY CONTROLS RESOURCES! So every individual is free to contribute their talents to society, to improve society, and in turn improve themselves with NO barriers!


    I need to clarify something, Egypt has been around for over 1,000 years, some countries in Europe like the UK, Germany, Switzerland have been around over a thousand years, nobody's denying that, however, those societies have collapsed, and collapsed hard, and have had to rebuild because those are societies based on the monet...





    The term utopia is a term that does not make sense because it describes a world that is impossible, a world where nothing ever needs fixing, servicing, where nothing would ever need to be enhanced, advanced, improved in anyway, it describes an absolute perfect world, and that is impossible, there is NEVER a final frontier, that's what the term utopia describes, that is impossible, whether it's your personal life, or all of civilization there will never be a final frontier.

    An egalitarian economic system is one in which is NOBODY is EVER hindered from living their life to the fullest because there aren't any of the barriers that exist in the monetary system, and other related economic systems such as feudalism, chattel slavery, and barter, there's no need to ever go through anyone to get anything, NOBODY CONTROLS RESOURCES! So every individual is free to contribute their talents to society, to improve society, and in turn improve themselves with NO barriers!


    I need to clarify something, Egypt has been around for over 1,000 years, some countries in Europe like the UK, Germany, Switzerland have been around over a thousand years, nobody's denying that, however, those societies have collapsed, and collapsed hard, and have had to rebuild because those are societies based on the monetary system which is a cancerous economic system.

    So in the short time those societies have been around, and that is a very short time by comparison to many egalitarian, look at how dysfunctional they have been, now compare that with the societies I have mentioned, and all other existing egalitarian societies that are around today that have not been destroyed by state systems, THOSE SOCIETIES HAVE NEVER NEEDED TO BE REBUILT BECAUSE THEY NEVER COLLAPSE!

    And don't use the term utopia with me again, I'm not talking about a final frontier system that is impossible, if that were the case I would say let's all go live like the primitive egalitarian societies, and that is not what I am advocating for, I am using them as a model since there are no TECHNOLOGICAL egalitarian societies in existence yet, emphasis on YET. The closest thing I can think of to that would be the Linux Community, however the Linux community has it's short comings.

    What I am advocating is a TECHNOLOGICAL egalitarian economy globally. Eliminating these things called countries so we finally experience ACTAUL freedom on this planet!
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  • cellophane Sean 2012/03/27 03:03:19
    cellophane
    +1
    I'm there with you - except when what I have is what the other guy wants, and he comes in and takes it. Then there is no authority to turn to except myself.

    So I go to get my "whatever" back and find that he's guarding it closely. So I go in and kill him and take back what's mine. That's okay because there is no central authority, and I can do whatever I need to do to reclaim what's mine.

    But now he comes over with his entire clan and starts killing my family. But that's okay because there is no central authority, and it's up to me to protect myself. So I get all my neighbors together, and we now have a turf.....

    Why do I find myself right back at turf, which becomes clans, and later tribes.....all the precursors to countries!

    I don't understand where you get the idea that things would end up any differently. I look at the Maasai people, whom you mentioned before. They have split off into different tribes many times. Which one is the original? They all carry the oral histories, maybe none of them are the original. Any chance that the original collapsed, and all we have are the spin-offs, taking the credit for being the original Maasai?
  • Sean cellophane 2012/03/27 03:42:55
    Sean
    I honesty can't think of any instances at least that have been documented by anthropologists in which turf conflicts occur in egalitarian societies because again it's about the difference between the 2 types of economic systems, one does not involve exploitation, one does not involve depriving any one resources, while the other does. In an egalitarian society there is no motivation for one to take from someone else because everyone has equal access to resources, and there is no need for a central authority because those kinds of conflicts don't exist.

    A technological egalitarian economy globally would eliminate the need for any kind of geographical boundaries hence eliminating these things called countries which I am very firmly against because as long as these things called countries exist, there is no freedom of movement, when you have to have these stupid sheets of paper called passports, and visas just to go somewhere you have no freedom of movement, and without freedom of movement there is no freedom period!

    The kind of issue you're bringing only happens in societies based on the monetary system, and other related cancerous economic system such as feudalism, barter, and chattel slavery, because those are all SCARCITY DRIVEN economic system, egalitarian is the diametrical o...





    I honesty can't think of any instances at least that have been documented by anthropologists in which turf conflicts occur in egalitarian societies because again it's about the difference between the 2 types of economic systems, one does not involve exploitation, one does not involve depriving any one resources, while the other does. In an egalitarian society there is no motivation for one to take from someone else because everyone has equal access to resources, and there is no need for a central authority because those kinds of conflicts don't exist.

    A technological egalitarian economy globally would eliminate the need for any kind of geographical boundaries hence eliminating these things called countries which I am very firmly against because as long as these things called countries exist, there is no freedom of movement, when you have to have these stupid sheets of paper called passports, and visas just to go somewhere you have no freedom of movement, and without freedom of movement there is no freedom period!

    The kind of issue you're bringing only happens in societies based on the monetary system, and other related cancerous economic system such as feudalism, barter, and chattel slavery, because those are all SCARCITY DRIVEN economic system, egalitarian is the diametrical opposite, it's centered around PROPER management of resources, and EFFICIENT use of resources so that scarcity in the environment is PREVENTED, see the difference?

    That is why egalitarian societies have the best environmental records, and the most peaceful societies because there is no poverty, no crime, no disease, no neuroses, those things only occur in cancerous economic systems such as the monetary system which we all live under now unfortunately.

    As to your question about Massai, I honestly don't know how to answer that question, I would have to do research on these spin offs you're referring to, and I will consider the source because some sources are more credible than others, for example I have found anthropologists to be much more credible than historians because historians ignore egalitarian societies in there research, they only study state systems, they pretend as if there was no human population prior to the rise of state systems.

    So in answer to your scenario you draw, if neither you, nor the other party are living in a deprived environment, than what motivation would there be for that kind of conflict you're talking about?
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