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(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)?

TechnoZeus April 24, 2008 18:02:24

This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a two vote system poll. Be sure to also cast your positive vote ( http://www.sodahead.com/poll/78837/ ) if there is a candidate listed that you would like to elect as president more than any of the others. Careful of rumors. Do your research.
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  • +12 / -4 raves crsone April 24, 2008 20:49:27
    crsone

    Vote against John McCain

    He is worse than just another Bush; he is another Bush with rage issues
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  • DnNH October 21, 2008 20:43:34
    DnNH

    Vote against John McCain

    In these very trying times, we need a steady, coolheaded individual at the helm. We can't afford to have a maverick with issues of anger in this position. Also, I think we need to move beyond the last generation of ideas.
    ***History depicts that: Progress is most often obtained when someone with a fresh prospective is brought into a situation.***
  • Auntie Samantha July 24, 2008 23:25:00
    Auntie Samantha

    Vote against John McCain

    No contest! This is so fun! Thanks! *hugs*

    vote john mccain contest fun hugs
  • TechnoZeus Auntie ... August 14, 2008 09:01:07 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    You're welcome. Thanks for voting. :)

    Here are the results of this Dual-Vote poll so far...

    34 Net Votes for Barack Obama (54 - 20 = 34)

    5 Votes for Ron Paul

    2 Net Votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)

    2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson

    1 write-in vote for Joe Biden

    1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney

    1 Net Vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)

    1 Vote for Ralph Nader

    0 Net Votes for or against Mike Huckabee (2 - 2 = 0)

    1 vote AGAINST All of the above

    1 Vote AGAINST Alan Keyes

    2 Net Votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (27 - 29 = -2)

    27 Net Votes AGAINST John McCain (5 - 32 = -27)

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    That puts Barack Obama in first place, and Ron Paul in second. Of course, Ron Paul isn't running for President anymore in the real election, but this should give some idea what difference a negative vote option could make in the future or could have made in this election.

    I also posted these results on the positive vote page of this poll.
  • Daline June 14, 2008 22:19:04
    Daline

    Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton

    I think Hillary would use the vice presidency to advance her own pocketbook and power rather than supporting the president and the country.
  • TechnoZeus Daline August 14, 2008 09:00:14
    TechnoZeus
    But this poll was for the presidency..... not the vice presidency. Still... thanks for voting. :)
  • teddie June 12, 2008 23:51:20 (edited)
    teddie

    Vote against John McCain




    CLICK ON SHOW right under Obama's picture and you can change the results to all DEM or all REP.... McCain is WAY down!!!
  • TechnoZeus teddie June 16, 2008 06:38:31
    TechnoZeus
    Cool. Thanks. :)
  • Drew0000 May 29, 2008 20:27:18 (edited)
    Drew0000

    Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton

    I will only vote for OBAMA and no one else!!
  • TechnoZeus Drew0000 June 03, 2008 05:49:54
    TechnoZeus
    Hi Drew0000, and thanks for the vote, the comment, and the confidence in Barack Obama. :)
  • +1 raves
    Bee May 28, 2008 02:29:21
    Bee

    Vote against John McCain

    YEAH!!!
  • TechnoZeus Bee June 03, 2008 05:50:41
    TechnoZeus
    You seem to have liked that. Hehe. Good for you.
  • Greatbear100~support our vets

    Vote against Barack Obama

    He is a self serving opportunist and old style Chicago boss by record.
  • +2 raves
    TechnoZeus Greatbe... May 18, 2008 23:55:28
    TechnoZeus
    That sounds like a pretty big accusation. Care to back it up?

    I have not seen anything to indicate that he is in any way an opportunist, nor selfish. As for having a record of being an "old style Chicago boss" that should be easy for you to back up, if it is true... so go ahead.

    Anyway, vote acknowledged.

    Here are the results of this dual-vote poll so far...

    28 net votes for Barack Obama (46 - 18 = 28)

    3 Vote for Ron Paul

    2 net votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)

    2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson

    1 write-in vote for Joe Biden

    1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney

    1 net vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)

    1 Vote for Ralph Nader

    0 Vote for Cynthia McKinney

    1 net vote AGAINST Mike Huckabee (1 - 2 = -1)

    1 vote AGAINST Alan Keyes

    8 net votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (18 - 26 = -8)

    22 net votes AGAINST John McCain (4 - 26 = -22)

    (and 1 vote for All of the above )

    ~8pm, May 18th, 2008

    I have also posted these results as a reply on the Positive vote part of the poll....
    http://sodahead.com/poll/78837
  • -3 raves
    Kiber May 02, 2008 03:04:15
    Kiber

    Vote against Barack Obama

    The only two times I've voted for a Republican was to vote against Democrats. The third time I vote for a Republican will be to vote against Barack Obama.
  • +2 raves
    TechnoZeus Kiber May 04, 2008 01:45:53
    TechnoZeus
    This is one of the reasons I am advocating for the right to vote for or agains someone... so that people can vote how they are thinking. Of course, this "split-vote" version is because of the limitations of the polling system, and I knew it would lead to a few false negative votes in addition to not completely eliminating the false positive votes. Thanks for showing me that I was right.
  • -2 raves
    Kiber TechnoZeus May 04, 2008 02:04:00
    Kiber
    Techno...How would your "being right" make a difference regarding who wins an election? The reason for people casting a vote for a candidate doesn't negate the fact that the vote was cast for that particular candidate. It's rather like you saying, you slapped your wife because she was verbally abusive or you slapped your wife because you're a sleazeball. You're wife would have still been physically abused by you regardless of the reason for you delivering your blow.
  • +2 raves
    TechnoZeus Kiber May 15, 2008 23:52:20
    TechnoZeus
    First off, I would NEVER slap my wife! Not even good to say such a thing as it is extremely offensive.

    Second off, I did not say that my "being right" made any difference in who would win. I was simply thanking you for having made a statement that your intended vote "for a Republican" would in fact be in order to vote "Against" someone. It makes me sad that you would want to vote against Barack Obama since I fail to see any reasons for doing so... but regardless of "who" you would have voted against, you have made my point quite well for me by stating that your vote "for" someone would be in order to represent a vote "against" someone else... because if our electoral system was fair, you would not have to vote "for" to represent "against" ever.
  • +2 / -3 raves
    lolo May 01, 2008 15:16:12 (edited)
    lolo

    Vote against Barack Obama

    I will never vote for Obama. He is the worst kind of politician I've ever seen. The kind that smiles in your face then throws you under the bus when he doesn't need you anymore.
  • +3 raves
    TechnoZeus lolo May 04, 2008 01:43:29
    TechnoZeus
    Oh, gotta love it... people hold it against him for not distancing himself from someone, and then people hold it against him for giving in to all the people demanding that he distance himself... I guess nothing he does is going to suit some people because they just WANT to dislike him.
  • -1 raves
    gonzo May 01, 2008 13:36:56
    gonzo

    Vote against Alan Keyes

    moderated...
  • Deb. I believe. May 01, 2008 12:19:16 (edited)
    Deb.  I believe.

    None of the above

    . I get 1. I would only vote for 1 and against none.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    TechnoZeus Deb. I... May 01, 2008 14:19:09 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    That's you're option, of course. The idea is to give a "balanced" option to vote the way you think. Ideally, you should be able to split your vote up as many ways as you like and have all of your positive and negative votes divided by the number of votes that you used... in this case, 1.

    The problem with the ideal balanced voting system is that it would be more difficult to set up and to count. If it was not "computerized" it would probably cost a fortune to do in a real election.

    There are many variations possible of a balanced voting system and this poll represents just one of them. I wanted to show that it would be easy to set up "some kind of" balanced voting system that would better represent the diversity of opinions in an actual election. For example, given the same options, some people would only vote FOR someone and others would only vote AGAINST someone. In order to allow more than 5 candidates in the list within the limitations of the current poll setup options at this site, I had to split the vote onto two pages... which then allows also the option to vote both FOR someone and AGAINST someone. The "simplest" way to do the math then is to subtract the AGAINST votes form the FOR votes. An alternative way to get a net vote count would be to first identify which pe...
    That's you're option, of course. The idea is to give a "balanced" option to vote the way you think. Ideally, you should be able to split your vote up as many ways as you like and have all of your positive and negative votes divided by the number of votes that you used... in this case, 1.

    The problem with the ideal balanced voting system is that it would be more difficult to set up and to count. If it was not "computerized" it would probably cost a fortune to do in a real election.

    There are many variations possible of a balanced voting system and this poll represents just one of them. I wanted to show that it would be easy to set up "some kind of" balanced voting system that would better represent the diversity of opinions in an actual election. For example, given the same options, some people would only vote FOR someone and others would only vote AGAINST someone. In order to allow more than 5 candidates in the list within the limitations of the current poll setup options at this site, I had to split the vote onto two pages... which then allows also the option to vote both FOR someone and AGAINST someone. The "simplest" way to do the math then is to subtract the AGAINST votes form the FOR votes. An alternative way to get a net vote count would be to first identify which people voted twice and reduce the value of each of their two votes to one half, so that each voted who chose to vote gets the value of exactly one vote, and then re-add the FOR votes, and subtract the AGAINST votes for each candidate. As you can see, this is much more complicated and would do very little to make the process more fair... but would be very reasonable ona computerized voting system with a program written specifically for that purpose. Keep in mind that of course there will still be people who don't vote at all even though they have an opinion that they would like to express, simply because they still don't see a way to express their opinion accurately. Those people of course won't get counted at all. In that case, they could cast a "None of the Above" vote without a write-in, allowing them to express that none of the choices they had could express what they wanted to say. This would of course not effect the election but could be useful data for future electoral reform.
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  • Czar Saoirse~Socialist Extraordinaire

    Vote against Barack Obama

    I would vote against Barack Obama.
  • +3 raves
    TechnoZeus Czar Sa... May 01, 2008 14:37:00
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for your feedback, and your vote.
  • +6 / -3 raves
    Donnalee May 01, 2008 04:57:24
    Donnalee

    Vote against Barack Obama

    moderated...
  • +4 / -3 raves
    TechnoZeus Donnalee May 01, 2008 14:36:23
    TechnoZeus
    I'm sorry that you have such nightmares. Perhaps you should look into why and do something about it. It seems there are people who feel as you do and people who feel the exact opposite. He of course can't be both bad for our country and good for our country. Although it is POSSIBLE that one candidate could be bad for SOME people and good for OTHER people, but for that to happen the candidate would have to be treating people as demographic groups. Barack Obama's campaign does a small amount of that, because it's how most political minded people have seen it done in the past and they don't know any other way, but Barack Obama himself is treating people EQUALLY without regard to such groupings as race, gender, belief system, or any other such grouping.

    Try reading the Blueprint for Change.
    http://www.barackobama.com/pd...
  • +7 / -4 raves
    sativa May 01, 2008 03:21:57
    sativa

    Vote against Barack Obama

    Of course I would vote against the only one possibly standing between my choice of candidate and the presidency, knowing now what I do.
  • +3 raves
    TechnoZeus sativa May 01, 2008 14:27:12
    TechnoZeus
    That logic makes sense to me. It is unfortunately because of a limitation of the poll system here that I have set up this poll with the option to vote once FOR and/or once AGAINST, causing the possibility of this type of logic. A better balanced voting system would allow you to represent your choice with the same vote weight as anyone else whether you voted only FOR or only AGAINST or both. The system used in this poll is better than what we have in use for actual election, but in this sense is still crude.

    Thank you so much for your valuable feedback!
  • +7 / -4 raves
    t May 01, 2008 03:03:29
    t

    Vote against Barack Obama

    moderated...
  • +2 / -1 raves
    TechnoZeus t May 01, 2008 14:21:50
    TechnoZeus
    That's interesting, in light of the fact that he has been talking about rectifying those same problems all along, and has a well documented plan for doing so.
  • +4 / -3 raves
    Katie TechnoZeus May 01, 2008 14:23:59
    Katie
    HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN DO THEM.
  • +5 raves
    driven girl lnf April 29, 2008 16:12:47 (edited)
    driven girl lnf

    Vote against John McCain

    moderated...
  • +3 raves
    Tom April 29, 2008 13:55:05
    Tom

    Vote against John McCain

    The McBush administration has had enough time in office. We as a country can't take anymore.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Calvin April 29, 2008 11:40:54 (edited)
    Calvin

    Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Worse than McCain, because she's not even in the white house yet and she's already waging war against an ally. She should have learned from her mistake the last time she elected to start a war with no good reason. She talks like she's going to end the war but she's really talking about pulling our people out without a sound exit plan... for what? To make it look like Bush and McCain were right? I don't believe for a second that she thinks she can announce on television when we're leaving Iraq and people there won't hear about it. She said she'll send 'em back in if things go bad, and it looks like she's gonna make sure things do go bad.
  • +6 / -2 raves
    NamelessGenXer April 29, 2008 10:21:57
    NamelessGenXer

    Vote against John McCain

    McSame = The End of Freedom as we know it.
  • +2 raves
    Faithy April 28, 2008 22:59:07
    Faithy

    None of the above

    I think i donot need to vote aaginst any one including Hillary, whose supporters are having a mix of people who probabaly vote against their party's Nominee! It is a very little minded action,ME I am not gonna go against any one, But i am happpy to get my candidate..Oba...Obo...Obe///... Obama,- I beleive in Change!!
  • +4 / -2 raves
    LionsPaw April 27, 2008 07:13:09
    LionsPaw

    Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton

    I dont sleep well knowing powerful wolves in sheep clothing.
  • +4 raves
    TechnoZeus LionsPaw April 28, 2008 03:12:06 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    Hmmm.... hadn't noticed the sheep suit. :)

    Anyway, here's the net vote results so far as of April 27th, 2008...

    20 votes for Barack Obama (28 - 8 = +20)
    2 votes for Fred Thompson
    2 votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = +2)
    2 votes for Mary Ruwart
    1 vote for Joe Biden
    1 vote for Mitt Romney
    1 vote for Ron Paul
    1 vote for Ralph Nader
    2 votes against Mike Huckabee
    10 votes against Hillary Rodham Clinton (4 - 14 = -10)
    15 votes against John McCain (4 - 19 = -15)

    ...for anyone who doesn't was curious. :)
  • +6 / -2 raves
    NurseyPaola April 26, 2008 14:04:15
    NurseyPaola

    Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Nobody wants a liar, cheater, fear-mongering woman who really only cares about herself for her political gains. NO thank you!

  • +2 raves
    Nate SD April 26, 2008 00:31:33
    Nate SD

    Vote against Mike Huckabee

    We have enough mixing of radical right wing Christians and government.
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