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(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)?
TechnoZeus April 24, 2008 18:02:24
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This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a two vote system poll. Be sure to also cast your positive vote ( http://www.sodahead.com/poll/78837/ ) if there is a candidate listed that you would like to elect as president more than any of the others. Careful of rumors. Do your research.
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Vote against John McCain
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Vote against John McCain
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Vote against John McCain
Here are the results of this Dual-Vote poll so far...
34 Net Votes for Barack Obama (54 - 20 = 34)
5 Votes for Ron Paul
2 Net Votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)
2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson
1 write-in vote for Joe Biden
1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney
1 Net Vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)
1 Vote for Ralph Nader
0 Net Votes for or against Mike Huckabee (2 - 2 = 0)
1 vote AGAINST All of the above
1 Vote AGAINST Alan Keyes
2 Net Votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (27 - 29 = -2)
27 Net Votes AGAINST John McCain (5 - 32 = -27)
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That puts Barack Obama in first place, and Ron Paul in second. Of course, Ron Paul isn't running for President anymore in the real election, but this should give some idea what difference a negative vote option could make in the future or could have made in this election.
I also posted these results on the positive vote page of this poll.
Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Vote against John McCain
CLICK ON SHOW right under Obama's picture and you can change the results to all DEM or all REP.... McCain is WAY down!!!
Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Vote against John McCain
Vote against Barack Obama
I have not seen anything to indicate that he is in any way an opportunist, nor selfish. As for having a record of being an "old style Chicago boss" that should be easy for you to back up, if it is true... so go ahead.
Anyway, vote acknowledged.
Here are the results of this dual-vote poll so far...
28 net votes for Barack Obama (46 - 18 = 28)
3 Vote for Ron Paul
2 net votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)
2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson
1 write-in vote for Joe Biden
1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney
1 net vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)
1 Vote for Ralph Nader
0 Vote for Cynthia McKinney
1 net vote AGAINST Mike Huckabee (1 - 2 = -1)
1 vote AGAINST Alan Keyes
8 net votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (18 - 26 = -8)
22 net votes AGAINST John McCain (4 - 26 = -22)
(and 1 vote for All of the above )
~8pm, May 18th, 2008
I have also posted these results as a reply on the Positive vote part of the poll....
http://sodahead.com/poll/78837
Vote against Barack Obama
Second off, I did not say that my "being right" made any difference in who would win. I was simply thanking you for having made a statement that your intended vote "for a Republican" would in fact be in order to vote "Against" someone. It makes me sad that you would want to vote against Barack Obama since I fail to see any reasons for doing so... but regardless of "who" you would have voted against, you have made my point quite well for me by stating that your vote "for" someone would be in order to represent a vote "against" someone else... because if our electoral system was fair, you would not have to vote "for" to represent "against" ever.
Vote against Barack Obama
Vote against Alan Keyes
None of the above
The problem with the ideal balanced voting system is that it would be more difficult to set up and to count. If it was not "computerized" it would probably cost a fortune to do in a real election.
There are many variations possible of a balanced voting system and this poll represents just one of them. I wanted to show that it would be easy to set up "some kind of" balanced voting system that would better represent the diversity of opinions in an actual election. For example, given the same options, some people would only vote FOR someone and others would only vote AGAINST someone. In order to allow more than 5 candidates in the list within the limitations of the current poll setup options at this site, I had to split the vote onto two pages... which then allows also the option to vote both FOR someone and AGAINST someone. The "simplest" way to do the math then is to subtract the AGAINST votes form the FOR votes. An alternative way to get a net vote count would be to first identify which pe...
The problem with the ideal balanced voting system is that it would be more difficult to set up and to count. If it was not "computerized" it would probably cost a fortune to do in a real election.
There are many variations possible of a balanced voting system and this poll represents just one of them. I wanted to show that it would be easy to set up "some kind of" balanced voting system that would better represent the diversity of opinions in an actual election. For example, given the same options, some people would only vote FOR someone and others would only vote AGAINST someone. In order to allow more than 5 candidates in the list within the limitations of the current poll setup options at this site, I had to split the vote onto two pages... which then allows also the option to vote both FOR someone and AGAINST someone. The "simplest" way to do the math then is to subtract the AGAINST votes form the FOR votes. An alternative way to get a net vote count would be to first identify which people voted twice and reduce the value of each of their two votes to one half, so that each voted who chose to vote gets the value of exactly one vote, and then re-add the FOR votes, and subtract the AGAINST votes for each candidate. As you can see, this is much more complicated and would do very little to make the process more fair... but would be very reasonable ona computerized voting system with a program written specifically for that purpose. Keep in mind that of course there will still be people who don't vote at all even though they have an opinion that they would like to express, simply because they still don't see a way to express their opinion accurately. Those people of course won't get counted at all. In that case, they could cast a "None of the Above" vote without a write-in, allowing them to express that none of the choices they had could express what they wanted to say. This would of course not effect the election but could be useful data for future electoral reform.
Vote against Barack Obama
Vote against Barack Obama
Try reading the Blueprint for Change.
http://www.barackobama.com/pd...
Vote against Barack Obama
Thank you so much for your valuable feedback!
Vote against Barack Obama
Vote against John McCain
Vote against John McCain
Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Vote against John McCain
None of the above
Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Anyway, here's the net vote results so far as of April 27th, 2008...
20 votes for Barack Obama (28 - 8 = +20)
2 votes for Fred Thompson
2 votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = +2)
2 votes for Mary Ruwart
1 vote for Joe Biden
1 vote for Mitt Romney
1 vote for Ron Paul
1 vote for Ralph Nader
2 votes against Mike Huckabee
10 votes against Hillary Rodham Clinton (4 - 14 = -10)
15 votes against John McCain (4 - 19 = -15)
...for anyone who doesn't was curious. :)
Vote against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Vote against Mike Huckabee