I agree that college football teams should just have playoff's like college super bowl-type things.
It doesn't make sense that there is more than one #1 college team in the country... that's stupid.
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Words of Tonio: The BCS Problem?
Tonio31~E Pluribus Unum~ November 29, 2009 15:59:47
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Friday night I found this site made by the BCS Group.
http://www.playoffproblem.com/index.htm
I swear, it’s like I just stumbled into the typical creationist site trying to debunk Evolution, and like ALL creationist site, it fails miserably.
Example:
“Playoffs would weaken the regular season. It has happened in every other sport. Once a team has clinched a playoff berth, subsequent regular-season games often become meaningless. The interest of fans, sponsors, television viewers and others is redirected from the regular season into the playoff.”
That’s ignorant bullshit. Playoffs would hardly weaken anything, especially in college sports where conference titles are won in the regular season. Also, even if a team knows it’s going to the playoffs, it would still be playing for a higher seed.
Let’s get started with the front page where it tries its hardest to make an eight-team bracket somehow sound more controversial while purposely leaving out the lunacy of the current system which allow only TWO teams out of 120 a chance to win the National Title and the success of the playoff systems used by the FCS, Division II, and Division III football. Let’s touch on some of these questions, shall we?
“Who would participate?”
“How many automatic qualifiers?”
“What would be the criteria to qualify?”
“What would be the criteria for seedings?”
All these questions can be answered by just looking at the FCS. As far as automatic qualifiers, teams who win their respected conferences, and that means ALL conferences not just the big ones, get in.
“Where would the games be played?”
“When would the games be played?”
Easy, convert your pointless bowl games to playoff games.
“If you could resolve all that would everyone be satisfied? NO!!”
Of course, you’re never going to satisfy everyone no matter what you do. At least with a 16 or 32 team playoff, you’ll satisfy the vast majority of people in contrast to just the major schools with the current, out-of-date system.
Now to the “Facts” & Figures
“It’s Successful: The BCS is the best format to match up college football's number one and two teams while preserving the heritage and success of the bowl system.
• Prior to the formation of the BCS and its predecessors, the number one and number two teams met in bowl games only eight times in 56 seasons. In contrast, since the conferences agreed to the BCS format 11 years ago, number one has played number two every year by BCS measurements and, according to the AP poll, numbers one and two have met eight times. The BCS is the best format ever devised to match up the nation’s top two teams in a bowl game.”
Successful? How so? What has BCS contributed to the already huge success of Division I college football? All the BCS has done is replaced a flawed and out-of-date system with another equally, flawed and out-of-date system. That’s successful, replacing a turd with another turd of the same size and stench? Lastly, what makes these two teams #1 and #2? What have they proven? These questions would not exist with a playoff system.
“College Football is More Popular than Ever: Thanks to the BCS, regular-season college football has become a true national sport. And the great traditions and great rivalries continue.
• Attendance has shot up 35 percent since the BCS’s inception—from 27.6 million in 1998 to 37.4 million in 2008.
• BCS television ratings regularly surpass the NCAA basketball finals, the NBA playoffs and the World Series. In 2009, 26.8 million viewers watched college football’s title game between Oklahoma and Florida; 17.6 million watched the 2009 NCAA basketball championship game between North Carolina and Michigan State. An average of 19.3 million viewers watched each game of the 2009 Yankees-Phillies World Series; game six had a peak audience of 22.3 million viewers. In the NBA, an average of 14 million people watched each game of the 2009 championships between the LA Lakers and the Orlando Magic.”
College Football has always been popular. In the past, it was vastly more popular than the NFL and to this day it’s still just as popular as the league. The only reason why attendance went is because the BCS added so many more pointless Bowls. It funny how the they did not bring that up. As far as the ratings go, of course BCS is more popular than the NCAA basketball Finals. Football is the most popular sport in the United States, if there was a playoff system the ratings will only get higher. The same can be said when comparing the BCS to the NBA Finals and the World Series. Not to mention that they are both best-of-seven series, meaning that it’ll be the same two teams for at least four games and less concern about missing a game because you can still catch the next one. In contrast, the BCS has five different games with only one chance to see it; the end result is higher ratings. It’s funny how BCS doesn’t try to compare its ratings to the NFL Playoffs, the NCAA Basketball Final Four or the tournament itself. What ever could be the reason?
“Fans and Players Love Bowls: The bowl experience is special for the athletes, bands, cheerleaders and fans; it’s a unique multi-day celebration they’ll savor the rest of their lives. No other sport has anything like it. The 2003 Fiesta Bowl, 2006 Rose Bowl, and 2007 Fiesta Bowl are widely hailed as the greatest college football games of all-time. Through the years, athletes have cited bowl trips as the highlight of their sports careers. Why mess with success?
• From the first Rose Bowl in 1902 to the 34 bowls played today, the college bowl season is a unique American holiday tradition.
• The bowl experience is enjoyed by 68 universities each year with more than 7,000 student athletes and another 10,000 students participating as band members or in other on-the-field ways. In absence of the bowl system, many student-athletes would lose the opportunity. A playoff would put the great traditions of the bowls at risk.”
First off, fans and players couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the Bowls; it’s about the football not the Bowls. Secondly, if you think all traditions are good, and then I recommend you reading the short story, The Lottery. Lastly, as I said earlier, those pointless Bowl games will just become meaningful playoff games.
“It’s Fair: Every conference has an opportunity to earn annual automatic qualification into the BCS. At the beginning of every season, every team has an opportunity to earn a spot in a BCS Game, including the National Championship Game.
• The BCS has increased the access for all teams into major bowl games.
• Teams from conferences without annual automatic qualification have played in the BCS in four of the last five years.
• Compare that to the previous 54 years, when only six teams that are currently members of those conferences got a similar chance: BYU in the 1974 Fiesta Bowl, Wyoming in the 1976 Fiesta Bowl, Rice in the 1961 Sugar Bowl, Wyoming in the 1968 Sugar Bowl, Air Force in the 1971 Sugar Bowl and Rice in the 1947 Orange Bowl.
• Before the BCS’s creation in 1998, only the teams and their conferences that participated in the major bowl games received revenue from those games. In the first 11 years of the BCS, more than $120 million was distributed to conferences that do not have annual automatic berths in the BCS bowls.
• The revenue for each conference that sends one team to the BCS is approximately $18.5 million and $19 million. Each conference divides the money according to its own formula.”
This is an outright, FUCKING lie! For a non-BCS team to even have a chance at playing in a BCS Bowl it would have to go undefeated, and no matter what it does it will never, and I mean NEVER, get to play for the National Title. Just ask Boise State and Utah. This bullshit is the biggest reason why so many people are calling for a playoff system.
The fact that this site even exist just shows that the BCS itself knows that its own system is bullshit. Do you see the FCS, NFL, NBA, or MLB creating sites trying to defend their respected post-season systems? NO! That’s because they know their systems are fine.
I can’t do much to rid this country of the Bullshit Championship Series, but I’m going to do what I can to give Division I college football the bracket it deserves. Maybe someday ‘December Madness’ will also mean the 32-team playoff for the NCAA Football National Championship, not just Holiday shopping.
http://www.playoffproblem.com/index.htm
I swear, it’s like I just stumbled into the typical creationist site trying to debunk Evolution, and like ALL creationist site, it fails miserably.
Example:
“Playoffs would weaken the regular season. It has happened in every other sport. Once a team has clinched a playoff berth, subsequent regular-season games often become meaningless. The interest of fans, sponsors, television viewers and others is redirected from the regular season into the playoff.”
That’s ignorant bullshit. Playoffs would hardly weaken anything, especially in college sports where conference titles are won in the regular season. Also, even if a team knows it’s going to the playoffs, it would still be playing for a higher seed.
Let’s get started with the front page where it tries its hardest to make an eight-team bracket somehow sound more controversial while purposely leaving out the lunacy of the current system which allow only TWO teams out of 120 a chance to win the National Title and the success of the playoff systems used by the FCS, Division II, and Division III football. Let’s touch on some of these questions, shall we?
“Who would participate?”
“How many automatic qualifiers?”
“What would be the criteria to qualify?”
“What would be the criteria for seedings?”
All these questions can be answered by just looking at the FCS. As far as automatic qualifiers, teams who win their respected conferences, and that means ALL conferences not just the big ones, get in.
“Where would the games be played?”
“When would the games be played?”
Easy, convert your pointless bowl games to playoff games.
“If you could resolve all that would everyone be satisfied? NO!!”
Of course, you’re never going to satisfy everyone no matter what you do. At least with a 16 or 32 team playoff, you’ll satisfy the vast majority of people in contrast to just the major schools with the current, out-of-date system.
Now to the “Facts” & Figures
“It’s Successful: The BCS is the best format to match up college football's number one and two teams while preserving the heritage and success of the bowl system.
• Prior to the formation of the BCS and its predecessors, the number one and number two teams met in bowl games only eight times in 56 seasons. In contrast, since the conferences agreed to the BCS format 11 years ago, number one has played number two every year by BCS measurements and, according to the AP poll, numbers one and two have met eight times. The BCS is the best format ever devised to match up the nation’s top two teams in a bowl game.”
Successful? How so? What has BCS contributed to the already huge success of Division I college football? All the BCS has done is replaced a flawed and out-of-date system with another equally, flawed and out-of-date system. That’s successful, replacing a turd with another turd of the same size and stench? Lastly, what makes these two teams #1 and #2? What have they proven? These questions would not exist with a playoff system.
“College Football is More Popular than Ever: Thanks to the BCS, regular-season college football has become a true national sport. And the great traditions and great rivalries continue.
• Attendance has shot up 35 percent since the BCS’s inception—from 27.6 million in 1998 to 37.4 million in 2008.
• BCS television ratings regularly surpass the NCAA basketball finals, the NBA playoffs and the World Series. In 2009, 26.8 million viewers watched college football’s title game between Oklahoma and Florida; 17.6 million watched the 2009 NCAA basketball championship game between North Carolina and Michigan State. An average of 19.3 million viewers watched each game of the 2009 Yankees-Phillies World Series; game six had a peak audience of 22.3 million viewers. In the NBA, an average of 14 million people watched each game of the 2009 championships between the LA Lakers and the Orlando Magic.”
College Football has always been popular. In the past, it was vastly more popular than the NFL and to this day it’s still just as popular as the league. The only reason why attendance went is because the BCS added so many more pointless Bowls. It funny how the they did not bring that up. As far as the ratings go, of course BCS is more popular than the NCAA basketball Finals. Football is the most popular sport in the United States, if there was a playoff system the ratings will only get higher. The same can be said when comparing the BCS to the NBA Finals and the World Series. Not to mention that they are both best-of-seven series, meaning that it’ll be the same two teams for at least four games and less concern about missing a game because you can still catch the next one. In contrast, the BCS has five different games with only one chance to see it; the end result is higher ratings. It’s funny how BCS doesn’t try to compare its ratings to the NFL Playoffs, the NCAA Basketball Final Four or the tournament itself. What ever could be the reason?
“Fans and Players Love Bowls: The bowl experience is special for the athletes, bands, cheerleaders and fans; it’s a unique multi-day celebration they’ll savor the rest of their lives. No other sport has anything like it. The 2003 Fiesta Bowl, 2006 Rose Bowl, and 2007 Fiesta Bowl are widely hailed as the greatest college football games of all-time. Through the years, athletes have cited bowl trips as the highlight of their sports careers. Why mess with success?
• From the first Rose Bowl in 1902 to the 34 bowls played today, the college bowl season is a unique American holiday tradition.
• The bowl experience is enjoyed by 68 universities each year with more than 7,000 student athletes and another 10,000 students participating as band members or in other on-the-field ways. In absence of the bowl system, many student-athletes would lose the opportunity. A playoff would put the great traditions of the bowls at risk.”
First off, fans and players couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the Bowls; it’s about the football not the Bowls. Secondly, if you think all traditions are good, and then I recommend you reading the short story, The Lottery. Lastly, as I said earlier, those pointless Bowl games will just become meaningful playoff games.
“It’s Fair: Every conference has an opportunity to earn annual automatic qualification into the BCS. At the beginning of every season, every team has an opportunity to earn a spot in a BCS Game, including the National Championship Game.
• The BCS has increased the access for all teams into major bowl games.
• Teams from conferences without annual automatic qualification have played in the BCS in four of the last five years.
• Compare that to the previous 54 years, when only six teams that are currently members of those conferences got a similar chance: BYU in the 1974 Fiesta Bowl, Wyoming in the 1976 Fiesta Bowl, Rice in the 1961 Sugar Bowl, Wyoming in the 1968 Sugar Bowl, Air Force in the 1971 Sugar Bowl and Rice in the 1947 Orange Bowl.
• Before the BCS’s creation in 1998, only the teams and their conferences that participated in the major bowl games received revenue from those games. In the first 11 years of the BCS, more than $120 million was distributed to conferences that do not have annual automatic berths in the BCS bowls.
• The revenue for each conference that sends one team to the BCS is approximately $18.5 million and $19 million. Each conference divides the money according to its own formula.”
This is an outright, FUCKING lie! For a non-BCS team to even have a chance at playing in a BCS Bowl it would have to go undefeated, and no matter what it does it will never, and I mean NEVER, get to play for the National Title. Just ask Boise State and Utah. This bullshit is the biggest reason why so many people are calling for a playoff system.
The fact that this site even exist just shows that the BCS itself knows that its own system is bullshit. Do you see the FCS, NFL, NBA, or MLB creating sites trying to defend their respected post-season systems? NO! That’s because they know their systems are fine.
I can’t do much to rid this country of the Bullshit Championship Series, but I’m going to do what I can to give Division I college football the bracket it deserves. Maybe someday ‘December Madness’ will also mean the 32-team playoff for the NCAA Football National Championship, not just Holiday shopping.
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It doesn't make sense that there is more than one #1 college team in the country... that's stupid.
Why must the simple-minded follow me where ever I go?
I suggest a wiser use of time than trying to tell others what to believe in.
Don't want to be scorned? I suggest you stop preaching to people. Individuals do not like to be preached at.
That is the difference between you and I. Its not about agree or disagree, it is about letting others make those decisions for themselves.
Why am I not surprised.
You are a tough crowd Bear. LOL
If you post on SH, I'll see it. If you post BULLSHIT, I'll call it.
I don't PURPOSEFULLY search for you. You're not that important.
No, no, no, you're confusing yourself with me again
As in actively search for it.
As in completely ignore what my post is even about and just spew pathetic insults.
You're not helping your case by pulling crap like this.
Apparently I'm that important to you.