im not a christan....but this is a christan question....If god is a all knowing being then and if he was real and he did put me on earth...then wouldnt he know that i dont believe in him and that i was doomed from the start. so wats the point..

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Im not a christan....but this is a christan question....If god is a all knowing being then and if he was real and he did put me on earth...then wouldnt he know that i dont believe in him and that i was doomed from the start. so wats the point..

by ~Tommy~ Posted October 28, 2009 09:14:33

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+8 raves Javimendo October 28, 2009 21:56:05

Answered: because......
We make choices from beginning to end. It's not God who condemns us, we condemn ourselves.
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Jim to ~Tommy~ October 30, 2009 13:29:02

The deception is in your thinking that you were once a "believer." You were not or you would still be one. What you were doing was going through the motions as prescribed by the "religion" you attached yourself to for a while.

Those who are born again and saved do not have "religion." They have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Religion is man-made, while true Christianity is from the Bible only and is of God.
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Ander October 28, 2009 13:38:14

Answered: no god !!!!
there really isn't a point. I am not religious either but acording to my friend who is religous "it doesn't matter what you beleive in beause god still loves you"
what ever that means.
Jim to Ander October 28, 2009 16:55:29

Your friend has been shipwrecked and made ineffective which is just where Satan wants him to be.

God loves every soul that will descend into a burning Hell, but if they don't believe and repent of the sin in their heart and life they will still be going to Hell. The Bible spells out the requirements for those who care enough to study and seek.
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seathan... to Ander October 28, 2009 18:29:20

Your friend is the type of religious person that, if emulated by others, would make the world a better place. In contrast to people like "Jim" who cannot even tolerate the opinions of others, and whose hateful, tribal religion is what they use to make themselves feel special.
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Soldade October 28, 2009 12:41:21

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Atheist can not prove anything, and Religion can
not prove anything.
It's possible God exist. God may not be defined by what we perceive God to be.
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seathan... to Soldade October 28, 2009 18:30:18

It's not up to atheists to prove anything. The burden of proof lies with those who claim their god exists, and does the magical things they claim it does, or has done. Cheers.
Soldade to seathan... October 28, 2009 23:00:32

Belief systems based on faith need to adhere to their concepts.
If no one can prove the absence of God,it's possible God exist.
seathan... to Soldade October 28, 2009 23:08:31

Yes. The non-existence of various gods can't be disproven. You can't disprove something for which no evidence exists. If someone ever actually provides evidence for a god of some type, then those who don't believe in any gods will have to deal with that evidence.

Gods are non-falsifiable. Because god-believers cannot agree on what their gods are, or what those gods do, it is impossible to test their claims, prove them, or disprove them.

Just like unicorns, leprachauns, etc, all kinds of gods could be hiding behind Jupiter, or on the other side of the universe. Is there any point in worrying whether or not they are, if they have no influence upon our world or our lives, and are so meaningless and inconsequential?

Belief systems based upon faith do need to adhere to their own tenets, I agree. Of course, atheism is not a system, nor is it based upon faith. Atheism is a recognition of the reality that we have no evidence for the existence of any gods. That's all atheism is. Cheers.
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Jo October 28, 2009 12:38:33

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I just wonder how you can possible know that you are doomed? How can you know whether you will believe in God a year from now, even a day from now?

Yes, God knows what will happen but we don't know what will happen in the next minute! You are God's masterpiece and He might have an awesome plan for you!
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~Tommy~ to Jo October 28, 2009 19:54:56

hes ALL KNOWING...doesnt that inplie that he should know everything...not just most things not some things everything..
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RichardCranium October 28, 2009 12:07:16

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In a moment of trial, doubt, and frustration, I asked God "Why have You put me here!" He lovingly replied: "I simply agreed with your parents!" He honored the love that my folks had for each other, and blessed them with me!

"Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:18-20

God see's the potential that we all have, and believes the very best for us. Why else would he permit us to have dominion over His creation? I marvel at His willingness to trust us, when humanity as a whole has such a terrible track record! Yet I am so pleased that He does, and I have found delight in the areas of my life that I have learned to trust Him in. Being creative and loving, He continually extends His blessings upon all of humanity, eagerly awaiting for each of us to acknowledge Him, so that we can have intimate fellowship with Him. As a loving Father enjoys the company of His children, so our God indeed loves the time that we spend with Him. The only limit to His lov...

In a moment of trial, doubt, and frustration, I asked God "Why have You put me here!" He lovingly replied: "I simply agreed with your parents!" He honored the love that my folks had for each other, and blessed them with me!

"Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:18-20

God see's the potential that we all have, and believes the very best for us. Why else would he permit us to have dominion over His creation? I marvel at His willingness to trust us, when humanity as a whole has such a terrible track record! Yet I am so pleased that He does, and I have found delight in the areas of my life that I have learned to trust Him in. Being creative and loving, He continually extends His blessings upon all of humanity, eagerly awaiting for each of us to acknowledge Him, so that we can have intimate fellowship with Him. As a loving Father enjoys the company of His children, so our God indeed loves the time that we spend with Him. The only limit to His love is our inability to receive it. He is honorable, and will usually not intrude where He is not welcome. But I have witnessed, on many occasions, His loving intervention when one of His children asks Him for help. Evidence of His existence abounds: the majesty of the mountains, the incredible artistry and immense power of the stars, the amazing engineering of the human body, the wonder and joy of children, the incredible devotion of those that truly love each other. Christ said "Blessed are those who are pure in heart, for they shall see God." If you lack this vision, check your heart.
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ONE OF ONE to Richard... October 28, 2009 17:37:46

wow...nicely put..especially, THE EVIDENCE OF GOD'S PRESENCE..in his word ..the bible said that the earth is lying upon nothing..HE also positioned the sun perfectly away from the earth so humans may not feel extremely hot or extremely cold..what a magnificent and loving CREATOR.
Richard... to ONE OF ONE October 29, 2009 03:14:25

Yes. What I find amazing is that He knows my needs before hand, prompts me to ask for something, and then sometimes has it ready for me, since He's been planning to give it to me all along.

This also is true of the good deeds that He has for us, which are themselves blessings that we will reap abundantly from later on:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2: 8-10

His thoughts truly are continually good toward us!!! Even all of the trials that Joeseph, the 11th son of Jacob, had to endure brought about a deepening of his faith in God. And eventually brought about the reconciliation of his entire family. God will sometimes permit us to be very humbled, because it is His intention for us to be highly exalted. (He is just!) And having gone through this process, once we become exalted to a much better position, we find that we've gained the perspective to be humble, realizing that the high position has so many responsibilities, which are actually opportunities to influence others for good as we serve them in love.
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~Tommy~ to Richard... October 28, 2009 20:01:11

how does" the majesty of mountains the incredible artistry and immense power of the stars, the amazing engineering of the human body, the wonder and joy of children, the incredible devotion of those that truly love each other" prove that god exists...
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oh my s... to ~Tommy~ October 28, 2009 21:42:40

it doesn't, it's the fancy wording they use to try and help their case but it often fails them
Richard... to ~Tommy~ October 29, 2009 03:03:16

God is only found by the most sincere individuals.

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29: 11-13

God blesses the most sincere individuals.

"Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them saying: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:3-10

In the Gospel of John, chapter 6, Jesus reveals how He shrewdly deals with shallow individuals and groups, so that He can then devote His time to training and using the most sincere of individu...

God is only found by the most sincere individuals.

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29: 11-13

God blesses the most sincere individuals.

"Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them saying: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:3-10

In the Gospel of John, chapter 6, Jesus reveals how He shrewdly deals with shallow individuals and groups, so that He can then devote His time to training and using the most sincere of individuals.

The collection of New Testament books known as the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles are an historical account of how God effectively trains and uses the most sincere individuals to transform the lives of those who are in serious need of His touch.
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seathan... to ~Tommy~ October 29, 2009 22:32:35

It doesn't. Why don't they say "the majesty of tapeworms, the incredible artistry and immense power of cancer, the amazing placement of our reproductive organs among our excretory organs, the wonder and joy of infertility," etc?
~Tommy~ to seathan... October 30, 2009 06:26:47 (edited)

cause god is responsable for the good and satain is the bad......cancer is the devil,tapeworms are the devil.
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seathan... to ~Tommy~ October 30, 2009 17:17:36

Exactly. This was con by ancient priests. "No, no, you can't blame the gods for bad things. You have to give them bigger sacrifices! And give me more money!" What a racket.
David October 28, 2009 11:55:29

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It is a fundamental question each person that believes in God must face. I had to resolve it in my own mind, without relying on faith. The general religious answer is that we (humans) cannot conceive of God and His plans; that we can only follow simple instructions (10 commandments) and hope (and pray) for the best. I agree with the first part. To resolve it, I had to make some assumptions: God is Good. God, like a good parent, would never intentionally hurt us. God gives us free will. With that, I pondered: "What if there was no Hell" What if when one died, if the soul was good, it would be awakened in heaven. If not, it would not be awakened from eternal sleep (non-existence). If that were true, God would not hurt us; He just would not extend our existence. This is my own philosophy, one that I can live with.
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Captain Sticky October 28, 2009 11:29:33

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Great question! The Bible thumpers must really love you. There are many who believe our lives are pre destined and it really doesn't matter. Freedom may, indeed, be an illusion. As for your Captain, I'm having a great ride so I don't care. It's all a big party.
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~Tommy~ to Captain... October 28, 2009 20:04:33

lol so i guess that the bumms in the world were pre destined to be bumms and starving ppl all over the world were pre destined to be pour and hungry...lol they must really love there god huh
Captain... to ~Tommy~ October 28, 2009 22:24:01

That's a bit severe man. But most folks are in peril due to choices they made, especially in our country. Taking parts of Africa as an example, many are starving due to corrupt governments. Know any other place where government corruption is growing and out of control?
~Tommy~ to Captain... October 29, 2009 05:31:41

it is a little harsh but its the truth.....seem the governmet gets stronger every day right here in ower own country?...wonder how long it will take??
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Captain... to ~Tommy~ October 29, 2009 10:19:22

Soon, but we can slow them down by voting out all incumbents every election day.
Boris Badinov October 28, 2009 10:40:20

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Not everyone is destined for salvation. You may not be, or again, you might be. In any event God cares for you and has made a way for a clear, pertinent relationship. - Jesus matters... Really !
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donedunn October 28, 2009 10:34:03

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When I was a child, my father could do no wrong and was the greatest man in the world. When I was a teenager my father was a task master and I rarely saw eye to eye with him,but when I was in need he was always there. As an adult with my own children, my father is a friend and a loving grandfather.

Our relationship with God is much the same. I used to think God used me as a personal experiment to see how much one person could handle. I used to think God was a horrible pratical joker.

But my relationship with God has grown and I have a much greater understanding and love for my God. That doesn't mean it is always easy.

God is always waiting for his "rebellious" children to return and will welcome them with open arms.
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postmamy .씨부랄. 뭐야 컴퓨터가 왜 지... October 28, 2009 09:59:18

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There is a god inside of you.
and surely he got the whole world in his hands.
we doomed by the original sin.
because of that we do not knows such and such.
i guess you've been blessed by god all along.
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i812 October 28, 2009 09:47:20

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yours is not to reason why. just do and die.
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~Tommy~ to i812 October 28, 2009 09:51:29 (edited)

to not question things would make us sheep following the rest of the heard....and why are you trying to talk in riddles lol..
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i812 to ~Tommy~ October 28, 2009 10:02:13

it's funny you mention sheep. you may be a lost sheep and he is looking for you.
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~Tommy~ to i812 October 28, 2009 20:06:21

i refused to be just another following blindly....
i812 to ~Tommy~ October 28, 2009 21:42:53

then leed
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~Tommy~ to i812 October 29, 2009 05:34:27 (edited)

i could never leed ppl to believe in somthing that i dont....sadly however hundreds of christain pple do..i find that wrong
i812 to ~Tommy~ November 04, 2009 17:40:31

i did not say that you had to become a leeder in christianity.
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oh my s... to i812 October 28, 2009 21:44:16

for an all knowing/powerful being he must make a lousy shepard then
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~Tommy~ to oh my s... October 29, 2009 05:35:26 (edited)

thousads of sheep leave the hurd every day lol....hes not doing his job
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oh my s... to ~Tommy~ October 29, 2009 07:54:31

maybe he should stop sleeping on the job lol
i812 to ~Tommy~ November 04, 2009 17:42:40

maybe he is allowing them to leave to see for themself's how much greener the grass is on the other side.
~Tommy~ to i812 November 05, 2009 21:13:48 (edited)

so far the grass is really green