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How do you feel about Scientology? Is it a cult? Is it a real valid religion?

XENON23 September 25, 2008 04:15:30

It's a cult.
It's a religion.
It's a scam.
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  • +4 raves riverbeauty™ September 25, 2008 04:55:07
    riverbeauty™

    It's a religion.

    there are many religions in this world, this is one of them and it is as valid as any other..... do I believe they are right? no, but that doesn't change the validity of their belief system for them.
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  • +3 raves
    Brett May 11, 2009 13:55:39
    Brett

    I think this...

    A lot of people don't understand what scientology is and have never looked further than youtube parodies and media fueled paranoia. Looking at the website sometimes won't answer their questions because they're looking for a way to see it as a cult.
    It's better to think of as a series of techniques or ways to interpret and utilize energy forms throughout the expanse of manifestation, and to do so in a positive, healthy form of commune.
    It came from a man who studied many religions and spiritual cultures and formed like a /super-religion/; focusing on sciences and human existence. He also had a few science fiction novels published.
    Don't take me the wrong way i'm not a scientologist by any means, Just don't see much wrong with it
  • +2 raves
    ANGEL Brett May 16, 2009 04:15:15
    ANGEL
    How refreshing to read such an intelligent posting! I think your comment about the people who look at the website is very insightful and very true. These are people who look, without the intention to see. I commend you for being able to keep your eyes (and mind) open.
  • Byzantine_Catholic April 08, 2009 21:22:16
    Byzantine_Catholic

    It's a cult.

    It was created by a scifi writer...
  • Yume Supernova *~Never Forget How to Dream!~* God Bless America

    It's a cult.

    It's a cult AND a scam, but I could only pick one answer... darn.
  • +1 raves
    ANGEL March 09, 2009 16:44:31
    ANGEL

    It's a religion.

    Scientology is certainly a valid religion - by definition and by law. Most people don’t even understand what Scientology is. Its religion is described at www.scientology.org.

    Some people, whose religious beliefs differ, find it necessary to ridicule those who don’t believe as they do. Why the need to ridicule at all? I have friends, colleagues, family from all walks of life – agnostics included. We are respectful of our differences.

    To answer this poll – yes, of course it is a valid religion. But Scientology is so much more! Most people also don’t know the scope of the efforts of Scientologists to build a better world. Throughout the last decade, the Church has taken actions to promote the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Youth for Human Rights International (YHRI) is an independent non-profit group headquartered in Los Angeles. A delegation of American human rights activists from Youth for Human Rights International (YHRI) were recently in West Africa to establish a leadership program to promote human rights reform in Liberia, Ghana and Sierra Leon. The Church’s Human Rights Office has upheld this basic right all over the world. Where repressive laws or officials create discrimination, oppression and intolerance, the Church forms alliances ...

















    Scientology is certainly a valid religion - by definition and by law. Most people don’t even understand what Scientology is. Its religion is described at www.scientology.org.

    Some people, whose religious beliefs differ, find it necessary to ridicule those who don’t believe as they do. Why the need to ridicule at all? I have friends, colleagues, family from all walks of life – agnostics included. We are respectful of our differences.

    To answer this poll – yes, of course it is a valid religion. But Scientology is so much more! Most people also don’t know the scope of the efforts of Scientologists to build a better world. Throughout the last decade, the Church has taken actions to promote the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Youth for Human Rights International (YHRI) is an independent non-profit group headquartered in Los Angeles. A delegation of American human rights activists from Youth for Human Rights International (YHRI) were recently in West Africa to establish a leadership program to promote human rights reform in Liberia, Ghana and Sierra Leon. The Church’s Human Rights Office has upheld this basic right all over the world. Where repressive laws or officials create discrimination, oppression and intolerance, the Church forms alliances with human rights groups, publicizes the intolerance, contacts members of parliament known to have strong pro-democracy views and to be defenders of religious freedom and human rights, and conducts campaigns to popularize democracy and human rights.

    The Foster Parents Association of Los Angeles presented an award for outstanding community service to the Community Outreach Director for the Church of Scientology for contributing over 50,000 man hours of volunteer work in the Los Angeles area. Professional artists from the church created 57 murals in county facilities throughout Los Angeles.

    In Seattle, a group of Scientologists have organized a Scientology Environmental Task Force. For the past 10 years, this group has cleaned up parks, turned city walls full of graffiti into beautiful giant murals, five parks in the city are adopted by the group and regularly taken care of to ensure it remains beautiful clean and useable for all children in the city. The Mayor of Seattle recently issued a commendation to the Scientologists in Seattle for the past 10 years of dedication to improving the environment in Seattle.

    Ecologically minded South African Scientologists celebrate Earth Day each year with educational campaigns to stress the importance of safeguarding and improving their environment.
    In support of their international grass-roots fight against drugs, the Churches of Scientology unite concerned community groups, stage public awareness forums, anti-drug rallies and educational conferences in a worldwide effort to bring an end to drug abuse.
    Churches of Scientology support and contribute to a variety of other established community programs such as the Red Cross, the March of Dimes, the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles, and local community groups in cities the world over. This support ranges from broad participation in drug-free blood drives, to city-wide collection of holiday toys for needy children, to donations of food and clothing for under-privileged families.

    In Germany, Church volunteers provide musical entertainment for the elderly at old-age homes, and during the winter they give warm clothing, food and hot drinks to the homeless in Hanover, Stuttgart and Düsseldorf.

    Volunteers in France also regularly distribute food and clothing to those in need, while in nearby Belgium, local Scientologists supported an annual 24-hour bicycle race, raising funds for cancer research. During the Christmas season, churches throughout Europe distribute food and gifts to the less fortunate.

    In Amsterdam, a local Scientologist runs a shelter for former drug-addicts and homeless people. In addition to providing them a temporary place to live.

    And there are so many more examples.

    This is a long-winded response to the poll question. So –in summary: Yes, Scientology is a valid religion. But it is also a world-wide movement whose purpose is to improve conditions throughout the planet via activities and organizations such as those listed above.
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  • Cookie-chan~SHINee is My Drug~

    It's a cult.

    Definately a cult. I bet they believe when Tom Cruise dies he will come back on a spaceship to save them from their sins. XD
  • +1 raves
    Magical Cookie-... May 19, 2009 16:33:30
    Magical
    How silly. None of my friends who are Scientologists believe that.
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    Cookie-... Magical May 19, 2009 21:14:48
    Cookie-chan~SHINee is My Drug~
    Like they'd admit it outloud lol
  • ANGEL Magical May 20, 2009 22:57:51
    ANGEL
    Magical - You are right, of course. However, I don't think she meant it to be taken seriously -- I think she was just being sarcastic. Lots of haters out there.
  • Cookie-... ANGEL May 21, 2009 17:07:21
    Cookie-chan~SHINee is My Drug~
    I'm a hater? No, I just know a scam when I see one.
  • +2 raves
    getalife February 22, 2009 04:05:17
    getalife

    It's a cult.

    Its a cult. but the book on dianetics is very interesting to read. I believe it to be a self help psychology book. But its not a religion. I dont think Scientology is or was meant to be a religion. But a very big tax shelter for Ron Hubbard. if you can call your work a religion. and have people call it a church. then you have a big tax shelter. Church's are not taxed. and Ron just found a big hiding place.
  • +2 raves
    Iamfree February 16, 2009 23:39:47
    Iamfree

    I think this...

    I have no feelings about it one way or another. People are free to choose their own paths, and this one doesn't seem too destructive to other people (like radical Islam or something).
  • -1 raves
    EoT February 16, 2009 23:33:10
    EoT

    It's a scam.

    Its a scam that acts as a cult to keep a constant inflow of money.
  • +3 raves
    countessK January 23, 2009 03:16:54 (edited)
    countessK

    It's a religion.

    All of todays religions were called "cults" in the beginning and look what they grew into. It will be interesting to see what Scientology grows into 100 years from now.

    Other "cult" religions are the Puritans who first colonized America looking for religious tolerance, the Christians who were fed to lions, etc. cult religions puritans colonized america religious tolerance christians fed lions cult religions puritans colonized america religious tolerance christians fed lions cult religions puritans colonized america religious tolerance christians fed lions Think for yourself cult religions puritans colonized america religious tolerance christians fed lions
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    EoT countessK February 16, 2009 23:37:59
    EoT
    The main difference between religions of back then and Scientology, is that Christianity accepted and allowed offshoots of it's base beliefs. Scientology has a few offshoots, which the main "Church" denies, and tries to remove, for one main reason. These off branches offer the same services for FREE!
  • +1 raves
    countessK EoT February 22, 2009 00:28:13 (edited)
    countessK
    No, Christianity has fought their "offshoots" tooth and nail. Many Christian religions are at odds with each other.

    Also, the "offshoots" of Scientology do not offer the "same" services and that is why they are for free. These "offshoots" are unsupervised as to quality and standardness of delivery and as a result they can't charge because they don't deliver the results that Scientologists expect. Scientology has a "franchise" system where anyone who wants to deliver these mental and spiritual technologies and does maintain the delivery standards demanded by the church can start their own mission.

    Only people who refuse to guarantee results, as the Scientology Churches do, would want to be an "offshoot" that delivers for free.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Azkeyz January 10, 2009 19:10:21
    Azkeyz

    It's a cult.

    It's deffinately a cult, because it's in direct contradiction to the bible.
  • +1 raves
    countessK Azkeyz February 22, 2009 01:14:30
    countessK
    Wow, that religious tolerance.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Top Shelf® January 08, 2009 20:14:47
    Top Shelf®

    It's a cult.

    75 million years ago,an ALIEN ruler named XENU,solved the overpopulation in this part of the galaxy by sending 13.5 trillion beings to earth.Earth was called TEEGEEACK at the time.they were vaporized by nuclear bombs,AFTER being dumped into volcanoes.these trillions of lost souls,known as THETANS,were implanted with numerous false ideas about god,christ,and organized religion.they later attached themselves to human beings and,were the cause of individual's problems and all divisive issues of the world.

    that is the core of the scientology belief system.this story is called the creationist myth or the wall of fire story,and is a closely gaurded secret of the scientology cult.a member must pay a great deal of money,and be at a certain level before they are permitted to read it.(ot III) it is so wacky,and such a leap of faith,that those who read it are monitored to ensure they are not 'backsliding' or becoming disenchanted by the faith.those that are not permitted to read the story,have no knowledge of it,so can truthfully denounce it as lies.
    http://xenu.net/

    "hubbard spoke...i don't recall his exact words;but,in effect,he told us that writing science fiction for about a penny a word was no way to make a living.if you really want to make a million,he said,the quickest way is to...
    75 million years ago,an ALIEN ruler named XENU,solved the overpopulation in this part of the galaxy by sending 13.5 trillion beings to earth.Earth was called TEEGEEACK at the time.they were vaporized by nuclear bombs,AFTER being dumped into volcanoes.these trillions of lost souls,known as THETANS,were implanted with numerous false ideas about god,christ,and organized religion.they later attached themselves to human beings and,were the cause of individual's problems and all divisive issues of the world.

    that is the core of the scientology belief system.this story is called the creationist myth or the wall of fire story,and is a closely gaurded secret of the scientology cult.a member must pay a great deal of money,and be at a certain level before they are permitted to read it.(ot III) it is so wacky,and such a leap of faith,that those who read it are monitored to ensure they are not 'backsliding' or becoming disenchanted by the faith.those that are not permitted to read the story,have no knowledge of it,so can truthfully denounce it as lies.
    http://xenu.net/

    "hubbard spoke...i don't recall his exact words;but,in effect,he told us that writing science fiction for about a penny a word was no way to make a living.if you really want to make a million,he said,the quickest way is to start your own religion."-science fiction editor and author sam moscowitz telling of when l.ron hubbard spoke to the eastern science fiction association in newark,nj 1947 telling ron hubbard spoke eastern science fiction association newarknj 1947 telling ron hubbard spoke eastern science fiction association newarknj 1947 ...the image of this book was deliberately minimized so the co-author,l ron hubbard jr's name would be obscured.find the book,go to the web,read the truth for yourself.
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  • +1 raves
    countessK Top Shelf® February 22, 2009 00:35:29
    countessK
    LOL. This was all made up by former Scientology members for the sole purpose of discrediting Scientology. No-one ever has, does or will believe this - except you seem to believe it.
  • countessK Top Shelf® February 22, 2009 01:13:13 (edited)
    countessK
    LOL, ha ha ha. You tell such stories. You should be a SCi Fi writer yourself.
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Top Shelf® countessK February 22, 2009 19:02:21 (edited)
    Top Shelf®
    i don't know of if you're a scientologist or not,so i will tell you that this story is only permitted to be read by those on the level of OT-III.[operating thetan] some,not at that level whithin the organization,aren't even aware of it's existence.those not at that level that are aware of it,are bound to avoid it at all costs.it was featured as parody on an episode of south park;fully played out in cartoon form.the church has gone to great lengths to keep this away from the public,and their lower rank in file followers.

    what you wrote about former members,is not true.when tom cruise himself read it,he had become slightly disillusioned,as many members do.he was assigned a team of two people from the org,to audit him,and keep him interested.
    *****warning***** for any scientologists that are not ot3,and don't want to disobey the church,DO NOT WATCH this video.
  • +1 raves
    countessK Top Shelf® March 21, 2009 19:35:58 (edited)
    countessK
    I am OT3 and this bullshit is not there. You have been HAD. This fairy tale is NOT something any real Scientologist anywhere has ever believed, including Tom Cruise. Only non-Scientologists, who don't know any better, seem to think anyone anywhere actually believes this. Like you. You're promoting a complete lie. So is Southpark. Ha, ha ha!
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Top Shelf® countessK March 24, 2009 00:41:47
    Top Shelf®
    how convenient to be able to go online and be whatever you want to be.you can spread your lies all you like,but the facts remain!what are you gonna be next,lost daughter of david miscavaige?!

    http://xenu.net/
  • +1 / -1 raves
    loveanddove December 04, 2008 02:02:50
    loveanddove

    It's a religion.

    I dont know enough about it to say if its a cult, but now that im thinking about it, i remember some people on tv saying they were told to stay away from their family members, so i guess yeah its a cult...
    also, i totally disagree with their saying that you shouldnt take medications... that's obsurd!!!! Especially when it can save someone's life, their mental stability, and so on...
  • countessK loveand... January 23, 2009 03:04:50 (edited)
    countessK
    Scientology tells their members to take needed medications. It's Christian Science, a completely different religion, that tells it's member not to take needed medications.

    Also, Scientology does NOT tell it's members to stay away from their families. The opposite is true. Many broken homes have been brought back together by Scientology. Scientology tells it's members to repair relationships, not break them.

    I do believe, though that some families stay away from relative Scientologists, not the other way around. You can't believe everything you see on TV. They pay people to say things just to get ratings, very often.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    Meryl September 25, 2008 13:16:55
    Meryl

    It's a cult.

    and a successful commercial enterprise.
  • +4 / -1 raves
    Janice September 25, 2008 06:17:12
    Janice

    I think this...

    moderated...
  • +1 raves
    countessK Janice January 23, 2009 03:07:49 (edited)
    countessK
    No-one is banished because they no longer wish to practice it. Scientology has never done that. The members are required to resolve issues with family members who may want to pull THEM out of Scientology. Sometimes the member would rather cut communication with their family than try to resolve the issues, but that isn't what Scientology wants them to do.
  • +2 raves
    Gracie .....Gun Toting Gracie September 25, 2008 05:49:18 (edited)
    Gracie .....Gun Toting Gracie

    It's a scam.

    Bull Puckey!!!!! Hog Wash!!!!
    Edited...On accident
  • countessK Gracie ... February 22, 2009 01:10:17 (edited)
    countessK
    Gracie, I usually like what you have to say but on this one you don't know what you're talking about. Have you even read any Scientology literature, visited their website..?
  • Gracie ... countessK February 22, 2009 03:44:19
    Gracie .....Gun Toting Gracie
    Aw Now i am going to lose sleep.I don't care what you think.
    Don't reply to me again.
  • countessK countessK March 21, 2009 19:40:46
    countessK
    Gracie, I don't know what your religion is but maybe someday you will see how it is when outsiders make up lies to slam your religion and then say ."..bull Puckey and Hog wash" when you try to straighten them out with the truth.
  • +4 raves
    riverbeauty™ September 25, 2008 04:55:07
    riverbeauty™

    It's a religion.

    there are many religions in this world, this is one of them and it is as valid as any other..... do I believe they are right? no, but that doesn't change the validity of their belief system for them.
  • +2 raves
    XENON23 riverbe... September 25, 2008 04:57:48
    XENON23
    What do you think is the difference between a cult and a religion?
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    riverbe... XENON23 September 25, 2008 05:20:18
    riverbeauty™
    are you looking for the dictionary definitions or my personal opinion, which isn't really worth a lot in the grand scheme of things....
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    XENON23 riverbe... September 25, 2008 05:25:02
    XENON23
    Just you personal thoughts. And everyones opinions are worth something. So go for it.
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    riverbe... XENON23 September 25, 2008 05:43:10
    riverbeauty™
    I think that a religion starts being a cult when the leaders of said religion begin to preach things that are dangerous to those who believe in them (such as an organization that promotes mass suicide as a way to get to Heaven), when a religious leader begins to preach that they are deity and that they should be worshiped..... that kind of thing...

    There are some peculiar religions in this world that preach all sorts of things I find incredulous or distasteful, but they respect the rights of their followers to make their own decisions......
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Top Shelf® riverbe... January 08, 2009 19:49:22
    Top Shelf®
    how can it be a religion,when they do not believe in a higher power?they see l.ron hubbard,as their god.you should go to this link,and see for yourself.
    http://xenu.net/
  • +3 raves
    riverbe... Top Shelf® January 08, 2009 20:10:00
    riverbeauty™
    You know, I am a Mormon, and enough people have tried to debunk my religion using anti-Mormon websites for me to not put any trust in anti-religion websites. If I want information about a religion or belief system, I go to the horse's mouth or at the very least to an impartial party for my information...

    According to http://www.scientology.org/ they do not deify or worship Hubbard... they believe him to be a man and see him as the founder of their religion.

    A religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" and has nothing to do with whether they believe in a higher power.
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