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Grandmother who objected to gay march is accused of hate crime which under the new hate crime legislation could result in legal charges. Do You think a simple objection should be a hate crime?

♥Nicole~M♥ October 28, 2009 03:52:17

After witnessing a gay pride march, committed Christian Pauline Howe wrote to the council to complain that the event had been allowed to go ahead.



But instead of a simple acknowledgement, she received a letter warning her she might be guilty of a hate crime and that the matter had been passed to police.
Two officers later turned up at the frightened grandmother's home and lectured her about her choice of words before telling her she would not be prosecuted.
Threatened with prosecution: Pensioner Pauline Howe was warned she might be guilty of a hate crime after complaining about a gay rally
Mrs Howe, 67, whose husband Peter is understood to be a Baptist minister, yesterday spoke of her shock at the visit and accused police of ' wasting resources' on her case rather than fighting crime.
'I've never been in any kind of trouble before so I was stunned to have two police officers knocking at my door,' she said.
'Their presence in my home made me feel threatened. It was a very unpleasant experience.
'The officers told me that my letter was thought to be an intention of hate but I was expressing views as a Christian.'
Mrs Howe's case has been taken up by the Christian Institute, which is looking into potential breaches of freedom of speech and religious rights under the Human Rights Act, either by Norwich City Council or Norfolk Police.
And homosexual equality pressure group Stonewall has branded the authorities' response ' disproportionate'.
Mrs Howe claims she was 'verbally abused' while distributing 'Christian leaflets' at the march in the centre of Norwich in July. She said someone 'whispered something in my ear and disappeared'. She fired off a letter to the council describing the march as a 'public display of indecency' that was 'offensive to God'.
She wrote: 'It is shameful that this small but vociferous lobby should be allowed such a display unwarranted by the minimal number of homosexuals.'


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The letter went on to describe homosexuals as 'sodomites', said homosexuality had 'contributed to the downfall of every empire' and added that 'gay sex was a major cause of sexually transmitted infections'.
But Mrs Howe told the Sunday Telegraph her comments were an expression of her beliefs, not homophobia. She received a response from the council's deputy chief executive, Bridget Buttinger, who said it was the local authority's 'duty... to eliminate discrimination of all kinds'.
She went on: 'The content of your letter has been assessed as potentially being hate related because of the views you expressed towards people of a certain sexual orientation.
'Your details and details of the contents of your letter have been recorded as such and passed to the police.'


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The two police officers later turned up at her home in Poringland, near Norwich, and informed her the contents of her letter had caused offence.

The incident has echoes of the case of a pensioner couple who were lectured by officers from Lancashire Police on the evils of 'homophobia' and 'hate crimes' after criticising gay rights in a letter to Wyre Borough Council. Joe Roberts and his wife Helen, both Christians, were later awarded damages.

Christian Institute spokesman Mike Judge said yesterday: 'People must be free to express their beliefs - yes, even unpopular beliefs - to government bodies without fear of a knock at the door from police.
'It's not a crime to be Christian but it increasingly feels like it.'

Stonewall's chief executive, Ben Summerskill, said: 'Clearly her views are pretty offensive but nevertheless this [response] is disproportionate.'
Norfolk Police defended their treatment of Mrs Howe, saying: 'We investigate all alleged hate incidents. In this instance the individual concerned was visited by officers, the comments discussed, and no further action was taken.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222861/Pensioner-com...
Yes, it is a hate crime and she should be punished.
No! This is crazy!!!!
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  • grumpy outofth... November 01, 2009 02:04:04
    grumpy
    she has her views and they are as valid as yours
  • outofth... grumpy November 01, 2009 17:26:57
    outofthisworld
    I never said they weren't.
  • +2 raves
    IndyLinda October 28, 2009 13:30:19
    IndyLinda

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    This is more evidence of a rising tide of evil. Yet, evil is nihilistic, and cyclically falls of its own t-- back into the muck from which it rises.
  • Bastion3 IndyLinda October 28, 2009 15:33:44 (edited)
    Bastion3
    Investigation of hateful threats is evil? How so?






    IndyLinda below blocked me when she posted that comment. Why are haters such cowards? I'll write my answer to her comment here:

    Nothing in this story indicates that she DIDN'T make hateful threats. Don't twist this story around THAT way.
  • +1 raves
    IndyLinda Bastion3 October 28, 2009 17:24:22
    IndyLinda
    Nothing in this story indicates that she made hateful threats, just that any expression of disapproval is now being called "hate speech." Don't twist this story around that way.
  • +1 raves
    CWFR October 28, 2009 13:17:40
    CWFR

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    No. Of course this happened in England, so their laws are a little different.
  • +2 raves
    what the October 28, 2009 13:01:17
    what the

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    Stop aids research now!

    (ooh, is that hate speech?)
  • +1 raves
    Jimmy the greek October 28, 2009 12:40:40
    Jimmy the greek

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    Well it is the northeast lol
  • +3 raves
    Lorenzo October 28, 2009 12:36:20
    Lorenzo

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    The first Amendment doesn't seem to work in America anymore.
  • Bastion3 Lorenzo October 28, 2009 15:34:29
    Bastion3
    Why does a story from the UK have anything to do with the first Amendment in America?
  • +1 raves
    Lorenzo Bastion3 October 28, 2009 18:05:37
    Lorenzo
    Damn, you are right. Bet you don't hear that very often.
  • +1 raves
    Bastion3 Lorenzo October 28, 2009 18:11:15
    Bastion3
    Damn, you are right.
  • Lorenzo Bastion3 October 28, 2009 18:18:21
    Lorenzo
    LOL
  • +3 raves
    Captain Sticky October 28, 2009 11:38:09
    Captain Sticky

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    There's no such thing as a hate crime. It's either a crime or not. Why isn't she entitled to express her views? Would she be kicked off Sodahead?
  • Bastion3 Captain... October 28, 2009 15:35:19
    Bastion3
    She was entitled to express her views - that's what the police concluded.
    Read the article.
  • +3 raves
    Crankney October 28, 2009 11:23:46
    Crankney

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    but in the end of days, it is to be expected! crazy days expected
  • Bastion3 Crankney October 28, 2009 15:35:33
    Bastion3
    WTF?
  • +4 raves
    Boris Badinov October 28, 2009 10:44:17
    Boris Badinov

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    A 'special class' of citizen is being created.
  • Bastion3 Boris B... October 28, 2009 15:37:28
    Bastion3
    Please elaborate on your comment.

    "Special class" as in untouchable religious haters?
    "Special class" as in the well-lawyered rich?
  • iam25dreams- pɐǝɥɐpos ǝɹıɥsǝɥɔ

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    This is ridiculous. What nexT?
  • Bastion3 iam25dr... October 28, 2009 15:38:30
    Bastion3
    What's ridiculous? That after the investigation it was concluded that no further action would be taken? Should she have beed prosecuted?
  • +1 raves
    Max Bastion3 October 28, 2009 18:27:45
    Max
    There should have been no investigation at all.
  • Bastion3 Max October 28, 2009 19:16:23
    Bastion3
    I'm sorry, did you see the letter? Do you know what was in it?

    If a letter came saying hateful things about a christian church, making threats, should there be an investigation?
  • +1 raves
    Max Bastion3 October 28, 2009 20:25:22
    Max
    Two different issues - try to stay honest.

    "Hateful things" is an opinion, and a wrong one at that. What, that was published was wrong? Threats were not made.
  • Bastion3 Max October 28, 2009 20:26:50
    Bastion3
    Did you see the letter (he asked again).
  • Max Bastion3 October 28, 2009 20:40:52
    Max
    As answered, I read what was published.

    Now, if you're done deflecting, will you answer my question?.
  • Bastion3 Max October 28, 2009 21:27:48
    Bastion3
    NONE of the letter was published.
  • +1 raves
    iam25dr... Bastion3 October 28, 2009 20:24:28
    iam25dreams- pɐǝɥɐpos ǝɹıɥsǝɥɔ
    its ridiculous that it was investigated to begin with.
  • Bastion3 iam25dr... October 28, 2009 20:27:49
    Bastion3
    I'm sorry, did you see the letter? Do you know what was in it?

    If a letter came saying hateful things about a christian church, making threats, should there be an investigation?
  • +1 raves
    iam25dr... Bastion3 October 28, 2009 20:30:45
    iam25dreams- pɐǝɥɐpos ǝɹıɥsǝɥɔ
    yes I read it.
    She made no threats.
    She stated her opinion, she allowed to do that.
    It's stupid
  • grumpy Bastion3 October 28, 2009 21:18:55
    grumpy
    It was published with barak transcripts, so its readily available
  • +6 raves
    Hazel Hurt October 28, 2009 06:46:01
    Hazel   Hurt

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    I never thought in my lifetime we'd see people prosecuted for making a statement about something they didn't like.
    Hate laws are just one more way the government seeks to control us. crazy lifetime people prosecuted statement hate laws government seeks
  • Bastion3 Hazel ... October 28, 2009 15:39:19 (edited)
    Bastion3
    She wasn't prosecuted. Read the article. Put some effort into your misinformed opinions.
  • +5 raves
    Magic Twanger October 28, 2009 06:06:37
    Magic Twanger

    No! This is crazy!!!!

    Hate laws are Un-Constitutional at the very least. Beating a gay is assault and a hate crime which required a physical action, Complaining about a gay march does in and of itself a hate crime, it clearly comes under freedom of speech.

    As usual Liberal do gooders have failed in their purpose, but they mean well. Wink, wink.

    Liberals are really losers, they seek to fix what isn't broken and seek to break America when it's not broken.

    wink liberals losers seek fix broken seek break america broken
  • Bastion3 Magic T... October 28, 2009 15:40:59
    Bastion3
    She wasn't prosecuted - it was determined by the police that she did nothing wrong. And anyway it was in the UK. Read the Article. Get a little thought and research behind your misinformed opinions.
  • Magic T... Bastion3 October 28, 2009 15:45:50
    Magic Twanger
    What I wrote is still true, butt hair.
  • Bastion3 Magic T... October 28, 2009 15:56:47
    Bastion3
    What part?
  • Magic T... Bastion3 October 28, 2009 17:46:36
    Magic Twanger
    If you have to ask, then nothing I could say will get through you Liberal thinking, making you a perfect drone for "Obobo the Communist Clown."
  • Bastion3 Magic T... October 28, 2009 17:52:01
    Bastion3
    A strategic retreat. I understand.
  • Magic T... Bastion3 October 28, 2009 17:54:03
    Magic Twanger
    No, not a retreat, you are just boring and frankly not worth my time.
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