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Is honesty important in a presidential candidate?

I know this is spectacular hit on the lack of honesty from the Clinton campaign, but it is a good vehicle to prove a point...

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Clinton: I 'Misspoke' on Bosnia Trip Recollection (Witten Article)
By DAVID WRIGHT, ELOISE HARPER and NITYA VENKATARAMAN
March 25, 2008 —

Video footage of Sen. Hillary Clinton's 1996 trip to Bosnia offers a contradictory description to the dramatic account the Democratic presidential candidate delivered in a recent speech.

At an event last week in Washington, Clinton said she and her crew landed in an "evasive maneuver under sniper fire."

She described her trip to Tuzla as if it were a scene from "Saving Private Ryan."

"There was supposed to be some sort of greeting ceremony, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles," she said.

Questions surrounding whether or not Clinton embellished a 1996 trip to Bosnia are particularly embarrassing for her because she has campaigned so hard on her "experience," arguing that she is ready to answer the 3 a.m. crisis call at the White House.

Video footage from the trip reveals no visible threat and a brief greeting ceremony on the tarmac. A little Bosnian schoolgirl read them a poem. The first lady paused for pictures. She and daughter Chelsea even climbed up on a guard tower.


John Pomfret, a Washington Post reporter who was there to capture the moment, said, "The whole Tuzla sector was under the control of the Americans. We were driving around in soft-skin cars. No reporters I know of were wearing flak jackets at the time. So it was pretty much a peaceful area."

Peaceful enough, at least, for a performance by Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad who also accompanied the first lady on the trip.

At a time when party rival Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is vacationing with his family in the Virgin Islands, Clinton had hoped the focus would be on what had been billed as a major policy speech on the economy. Instead, her campaign found itself on the defensive.

On Good Morning America Tuesday, Democratic strategist and Clinton supporter James Carville said "it happens" with regards to Clinton's misstatement.

"She's been in public life for a long time. She's been subjected to some rather vicious attacks. Some of them have taken a toll. I think during this gain, she's shown herself to be a woman of remarkable strength and remarkable courage," Carville said.

Continuing he said, "I'm quite proud of her, and I think she'll continue down this road."

Her daughter was asked about Tuzla in Indiana and backed up Clinton's recollection.

"I support what she said," Chelsea Clinton said. "Yes, I was there as well and so honored I was there and had the opportunity to travel with her."

Clinton was asked about it too -- by the editorial boards of the two Philadelphia newspapers Tuesday.

Clinton revised her Bosnia story, admitting there was a "misstatement" in her account describing running with her head down to get into the vehicles. Today, she said that she "had to meet this 8-year-old girl," so, "I took her stuff and left."

When Clinton was challenged by a reporter that this revised account calls into question her foreign policy credentials, Clinton said, "No, I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so, if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement."

In her autobiography "Living History," Clinton describes a near-perpendicular landing to evade possible ground fire but talks about the greeting ceremony on the tarmac in Tuzla with local schoolchildren though says it was cut short "due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip."


During the event on the tarmac, Clinton writes: "One 8-year-old girl gave me a copy of a poem she had written entitled 'Peace.' Chelsea and I presented the school supplies we had brought. … We were then hustled off to the fortified American base at Tuzla, where over 2,000 American, Russian, Canadian, British, and Polish soldiers were encamped in a large tent city."

In pictures of the event, Clinton and Chelsea don't seem to be wearing flak jackets or helmets. Clinton points out that she wrote about the Tuzla trip in her book -- without the extra details. It raises the question: Was she embellishing her resume? Or does she just not remember?
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raves +18   by marquise

Answered Yes

Honesty is Always important....moreover in a person who is supposed to lead a country....
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  • raves +1   [-] by Smokey

    Answered No

    No, because most of them went to Law School, and we all know that lawyers lie. Besides, none of us are totally honest. Some of us want to believe it, but we've ALL lied. And if anyone says that haven't, then they've commited a LIE.
  • raves     [-] Ihr Hase replied to Smokey
    But not all of us run for president...
  • raves +1   [-] Smokey replied to Ihr Hase
    Just because we don't run for President doesn't mean we should be just as bad.

    Someone has to set the example. Maybe YOU should run for President! You've got my vote. :)

    Smokey
  • raves     [-] Ihr Hase replied to Smokey
    Well aside from my age right now...

    I am honest to a fault... My felony record will keep me out of office :o(
  • raves +1   [-] Smokey replied to Ihr Hase
    I still love your posting. And I would never judge you because of your record. God, life, and our country believes in second chances.
  • raves +1   [-] by DolphinFan

    Answered Yes

    But name me one honest politician?
  • raves     [-] Ihr Hase replied to DolphinFan
    Let me see... Alive or dead?
  • raves     [-] DolphinFan replied to Ihr Hase
    Alive. I know of a few that are dead. Different time, different standards.
  • raves     [-] Ihr Hase replied to DolphinFan
    Few and far between...

    That would be why when one comes no one wants to believe it...
  • raves +1   [-] by mrorganic77

    Answered Yes

    I think it is very important, especially for any one running for president.
  • raves +1   [-] by LoXx

    Answered Yes

    You'd think so.
  • raves +2   [-] by freedomforever

    Answered Yes

    The highest ranking officer of our country or any officer of our country or any country should have the highest levels of ethics and honesty, a lie in any area of one's life stands to mean that one cannot differentiate in other areas and that means dishonest gov't for the people and that means the people are being taken in by blatant political rheteric and BS.....check out DownsizeDC.org
  • raves +1   [-] Ihr Hase replied to freedomforever
    I am a member of Downsizedc....

    :o)
  • raves +1   [-] freedomforever replied to Ihr Hase
    i noticed we are mutual members of another group, that one being FEE....i have been a member for over 10 years...one of the most appropriately educational groups on the planet..
  • raves     [-] Ihr Hase replied to freedomforever
    In my group Alliance of Defiance there are a lot of people who add to the topic of what is going on in this country...
  • raves +1   [-] by Mollybdamned

    Answered No

    You and I may think it is important, but really now, Honesty in a Politician ROTFLMAL LOLOLOLOL
  • raves     [-] by jamie

    Answered Yes

    Rather than take the high road regarding her experience as first lady, i.e. such as saying, "I don't have experience as a politician having been the first lady, but what I do have is lots of exposure to the process and responsibilities of being a president" (too bad because if she had she may have gotten the credit she was looking for), but she chose the low road - "I'm experienced because of my 'job'??? as first lady" or something of that sort. So, now she's followed through on that track and told a lie. It isn't honest, but then that's Hillary for you with her ways. There are certain ground rules that exist in society, and Hillary is not known for following them. But, yes, I do think a certain level, at least, of honesty is important in a president. The lying, however, is not what concerns me. It's just the reasons that she found it necessary to lie in the first place. Hillary should know by now that you can't "make" something be that isn't, such as trying to make first lady sound like an actual political office. To me, this is more of an error than the lie itself.
  • raves +2   [-] Ihr Hase replied to jamie
    And breaking the law...

  • raves +1   [-] jamie replied to Ihr Hase
    And that too, you're right.
  • raves     [-] by Kiley

    Answered Yes

    And I will be honest - I only read the first couple paragraphs of this post, but seeing that it looks like their talking about something that happened over ten years ago says one thing to me, if in fact they're trying to slam clinton - if they have to dig that far back to find a contradiction in her past, what does that say about her record? if they have to dig that far back and dredge up such old crap, what does that say about her experience? can we find any such discrepancies in obama? if not, why not? could it be the lack of time?

    is honesty important? yeah.

    y not be honest about y they're each there? hillary's been gunning for president since about twenty years before bill was a hopeful. obama's been avoiding it until his status as a popular black hopeful paid his way into a jumpstarted campaign he didn't want this time around. mccain's some old guy that's just riding the wake of the democrats who can't get their crap together and haven't learned what the concept of history repeating itself is all about, so he'll end up winning by default.

    i'm hoping a good independent gets in there and screws it up for all of them. at least maybe i'll have somebody to vote for.
  • raves +1   [-] Ihr Hase replied to Kiley
    It has little to do with having to dig that far back, but someone who is good at being a decietful person is very hard to catch like this...

    and there is a link at the top for the video version of the report...

    I do not know how many times you have been shot at, but if you are there is no forgetting it, please watch the video, it shows how her trip ACTUALLY went....
  • raves     [-] Kiley replied to Ihr Hase
    I will do when I have a bit more time.
  • raves     [-] Kiley replied to Ihr Hase
    I just watched the video....I haven't heard of this story til now, so please understand my comments are strictly based on the video alone.

    My immediate impression was that the situation Hillary was describing - and her daughter toward the end - I would guess that perhaps they did have that experience. I wonder if Hillary's comments about having "misspoken" were not intending to state that she misspoke about the scenario, but misspoke about the timing of that trip - perhaps she mentioned that trip or date or location but did not remember correctly and the incident she and her daughter discussed was at another time, another place.

    I know it seems like something that could not possibly have gotten mixed up, but I imagine that as the wife of a two-term president (as well as the years he was senator prior to that) she had to have made hundreds of trips - a mistatement is certainly not out of the question.

    Aside from that, however, I still fail to see how this issue (even if she was simply exaggerating her experience) - I fail to see how that would be an indication that she has no experience. It was stated that she has come under fire about the true extent of her international reach because of this. Surely people understand that she undoubtedly has had hundreds or thousa...
    I just watched the video....I haven't heard of this story til now, so please understand my comments are strictly based on the video alone.

    My immediate impression was that the situation Hillary was describing - and her daughter toward the end - I would guess that perhaps they did have that experience. I wonder if Hillary's comments about having "misspoken" were not intending to state that she misspoke about the scenario, but misspoke about the timing of that trip - perhaps she mentioned that trip or date or location but did not remember correctly and the incident she and her daughter discussed was at another time, another place.

    I know it seems like something that could not possibly have gotten mixed up, but I imagine that as the wife of a two-term president (as well as the years he was senator prior to that) she had to have made hundreds of trips - a mistatement is certainly not out of the question.

    Aside from that, however, I still fail to see how this issue (even if she was simply exaggerating her experience) - I fail to see how that would be an indication that she has no experience. It was stated that she has come under fire about the true extent of her international reach because of this. Surely people understand that she undoubtedly has had hundreds or thousands of additional interactions that would be easily considered experience. As I said, she was an active participant in the politics of her husband's career - and clearly she knows what that entails.
  • raves +1   [-] Ihr Hase replied to Kiley
    Never has the First Lady been sent to a place where violence was a possibility, misspeaking would mean that either there was some other place she went ot under sniper fire that Sinbad was at...
    Since there was no place Sinbad was at that was under sniper fire, and this man travels all over the world performing, I mean you said you watched the video, how is that an exaggeration....

    If I was in a car accident and someone t-boned me because they ran a red light, is it misspeak when he claims his light was green? No it is just lying...

    First of all to have any "executive" experience, she would have had to break the law, the refrence of her and bill as co-presidents and the admission that she had access to classified documents means that she committed a federal crime.
  • raves +1   [-] by Boilermc~YES WE DID!~COB

    Answered Yes

    I want a candidate I don't always think when is the next scandal going to hit, how much do other countries around the world laugh at us for electing such a liar, or how much can I believe what's coming out of their mouth?
  • raves +2   [-] by The Truth

    Answered Yes

    Show me an honest politician and I'll show someone who will never get elected. Sad but true.
  • raves +2   [-] Ihr Hase replied to The Truth
    It is my aim to change that...
  • raves     [-] by Joke is on you.

    Answered No

    moderated...
  • raves +3   [-] Ihr Hase replied to Joke is on you.
    That is rediculous, I am sorry, but if they are a "good liar" and we know this because they lie to us, who is to say that they are not going to use that against us and surrender our nation to a foreign power once in the position of president?

    I hope you are joking...
  • raves +2   [-] ~Rainbow~ replied to Ihr Hase
    this is beyond ridiculous.... how could you advocate for out nation's leader to be the "best liar".... confuse.....spoken like a true sheeple...damn....our nation