Aug 27, 2007 09:26PM GMT
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Religion - Other
How do you feel about a loving God punishing people in Hell?
Like my "Does God Love Gay People" poll, I don't meant to take a position on this as much as spur some debate so we can better understand God.
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raves +2 posted May 08, 2008 05:04PM GMT (edited)
Answered God is merciful and punishes righteously
I think some people are looking at God the wrong way. He really gets a bum rap by some. The bible is clear that it is not God's will that any should perish. Just because it's not His will doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Instead of just asking how a loving God could send anyone to hell, we should also ask how a righteous and holy God could allow anyone in Heaven. God's attributes of perfection put him in a dilema.
God's 2 main attributes are righteousness and love. He had to find a way to bridge these 2 attributes or he ceases to be perfect. Because God's justice demands that he judges all sin in the universe wherever it may be found, not one of us can be saved by doing right. Just like if you went into a courtroom and tried to tell the judge that you aren't a car theif because you only stole one car. So committing one sin (breaking God's law) makes you a sinner. So all have sinned and are no longer eligible for Heaven.
God, in His perfect love found a way to bridge the gap by sending his perfect sinnless Son to die in our place. So when we receive Jesus we attain justification (Just-as-if-I-never-sinned). Jesus payed the price for us so that when God looks at us He sees the life that Jesus lived in our place. Our sin file is erased.
In order to get the pardon you h...I think some people are looking at God the wrong way. He really gets a bum rap by some. The bible is clear that it is not God's will that any should perish. Just because it's not His will doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Instead of just asking how a loving God could send anyone to hell, we should also ask how a righteous and holy God could allow anyone in Heaven. God's attributes of perfection put him in a dilema.
God's 2 main attributes are righteousness and love. He had to find a way to bridge these 2 attributes or he ceases to be perfect. Because God's justice demands that he judges all sin in the universe wherever it may be found, not one of us can be saved by doing right. Just like if you went into a courtroom and tried to tell the judge that you aren't a car theif because you only stole one car. So committing one sin (breaking God's law) makes you a sinner. So all have sinned and are no longer eligible for Heaven.
God, in His perfect love found a way to bridge the gap by sending his perfect sinnless Son to die in our place. So when we receive Jesus we attain justification (Just-as-if-I-never-sinned). Jesus payed the price for us so that when God looks at us He sees the life that Jesus lived in our place. Our sin file is erased.
In order to get the pardon you have to receive it. So only those who ask God to save them through Christ can be saved. That is why Jesus is the only WAY. No other religion offers a pardon. When Jesus died on the cross the last thing He said was "Paid In Full."(less) -
raves Sep 22, 2008 03:11AM GMTAct 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband [are] at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying [her] forth, buried [her] by her husband.
Act 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
Have you read this story? You do not think God can and will Punish people? DUH! please read. My people fail from lack of knowledge. -
raves +1 Jul 14, 2008 10:24PM GMTIt is a hard doctrine to handle, but I made a poll on it to try to explain it if you're interested:
http://www.sodahead.com/quest... -
raves +3 posted Mar 23, 2008 02:12PM GMT
Answered God is merciful and punishes righteously
downraves welcome.
If a father has 2 sons, 1 son is coming for the younger with a knife, is the father nonloving if he kills the first to protect the younger?
If we do the 'unpleasantries' to protect and to promote the betterment of another, should we not expect God to be more Holy.? -
raves posted Mar 19, 2008 03:44PM GMT
Answered Undecided
I think the idea of god gets lost in translation on this one. I think the idea of punishment from God is being seperated from God. And I think God to be something of more of an inner peace and harmony with everything around you. If you happen to die with inner peace I imagine the afterlife to be rather relaxing because you're prepared for it, but if you happen to die and you've been living your life unwisely your mind will be in unrest and therefor not ready for the afterlife.
I know that doesn't exactly line up with any faith. But its what I've come up with in years of thinking about it. -
raves +1 posted Mar 18, 2008 11:23PM GMT
Answered God doesn't punish people in Hell
he gives you free will it is your choice where you go heaven or hell just believe in him and live a righteous life we all make mistakes and fall short that is why he sent his son to die for us so be happy that god is kind enough to want you with him and is waiting for you to make him your choice -
raves posted Mar 17, 2008 12:53AM GMT
Answered Undecided
I think there is something to that whole "free will" concept. I think understanding that idea might help to understand how it could potentially be possible that there are "people" suffering in hell but how it might be also possible that God didn't place them there. -
raves posted Mar 15, 2008 08:32AM GMT
Answered Undecided
Undecided, because there was no accurate answer.
I think it's fair to say that God doesn't punish anyone in hell. Hell is what is left if you refuse to live with God under His rules. "While you live under my roof, you'll live by my rules," a parent might say. You will choose where you will spend eternity, by the life you live. Very few people who have come to the earth will go to hell. It is mainly for Satan and those who left heaven with him in the beginning. -
raves +1 Sep 07, 2008 03:04AM GMTActually, about 10% of the people in the world are true, born again Christians. The other 90% of people in the world are bound to go to hell. Hell isn't mainly for satan and his angels. God is omniscient. His foreknowledge is perfect. He knew ahead of time that so many people would choose to reject Him and He knew that he would have so send humans there. But God created hell because lucifer sinned and rebelled against God.
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raves Sep 07, 2008 03:22AM GMTWere you using God's latest poll? Unless a person knows the truth and rejects if, God will make sure he/she gets the chance to do so. Christ went and preached to the spirits in prison (the spirit world for unbelievers) "For Christ also . . . went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient" (1 Peter 3:18-20) The polls don't really mean anything until after the polls close. God is not a loser.
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raves posted Jan 28, 2008 05:27AM GMT
Answered God is merciful and punishes righteously
Hell is "punishment," but it's not like God gets pissed and tosses the people he doesn't like into eternal torment. If one chooses to reject God, God will not force Himself on them. Hell is simply post-life existence without any of the properties of God in it. Meaning no love, beauty, truth, life, etc., and knowing that these things in their pure, idealized state actually exist in a place in ideological opposition to their place.
Being "good" is a term relative to our planet. Nothing universal to men is TRULY universal. One can say "The sun is bright," and everyone will agree with him, yet other stars FAR outshine ours, leaving our beloved sun dim in comparison.
The only truly GOOD thing is existence, as what does not exist simply isn't and cannot be. "Good" is a mathematical thing, and God is simply infinity (thus God saying through the burning bush "I AM"). Our existence is a shattered one, because we are seperate from the One who grants existence and all the qualities that different cultures esteem in varying ways (truth, love, beauty). In order to become one with this superior existence, we must cease to be on our own and submit to the will of the greater being, God. Then we can become one with all that is beautiful and pure.
But otherwise we're just trying to ...Hell is "punishment," but it's not like God gets pissed and tosses the people he doesn't like into eternal torment. If one chooses to reject God, God will not force Himself on them. Hell is simply post-life existence without any of the properties of God in it. Meaning no love, beauty, truth, life, etc., and knowing that these things in their pure, idealized state actually exist in a place in ideological opposition to their place.
Being "good" is a term relative to our planet. Nothing universal to men is TRULY universal. One can say "The sun is bright," and everyone will agree with him, yet other stars FAR outshine ours, leaving our beloved sun dim in comparison.
The only truly GOOD thing is existence, as what does not exist simply isn't and cannot be. "Good" is a mathematical thing, and God is simply infinity (thus God saying through the burning bush "I AM"). Our existence is a shattered one, because we are seperate from the One who grants existence and all the qualities that different cultures esteem in varying ways (truth, love, beauty). In order to become one with this superior existence, we must cease to be on our own and submit to the will of the greater being, God. Then we can become one with all that is beautiful and pure.
But otherwise we're just trying to make it on our own, and no matter how "good" we are, we are still rebelling beings who are inherently rejecting God by not submitting and repenting of our individual existence. We are appendages who have set off on their own and refuse mending to a body which is perfect and immortal. (the "rebellion" I speak of is our sin nature)(less) -
raves +2 posted Jan 06, 2008 05:39AM GMT
Answered Undecided
I dont truly believe in God and the punishment in hell is one reason I do not agree. Because in order to go to haven you have to accept god, and devote your self to him, and love him.
Soo in conclusion, a serial killer that killed and raped many women, accepts god and asks for forgiveness, is allowed to enter Haven.
But a gay man/women who lived a good, moral life, but did not accept god because of the way some religious institutions treat them, goes to hell?
idk thats just the way I see it -
raves +1
Answered Undecided
God doesn't punish people in hell. SATAN punishes people in hell. Once you have chosen your master and whom you will serve, when you die and return to your spiritual form, your soul will be claimed by the master whom you chose. God loves and plans to reward all those who chose Him. Satan dispises you, and awaits the day that he can claim your soul, and the horrors of what he plans to do to you is SATAN''S own evil .......NOT GOD'S!!