Jul 20, 2008 07:41PM GMT
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SodaHead - What's Bubbling in Your Head?
Barry's Birth Certificate proved a forgery... Does this surprise you at all?
As i, and others have stated the Birth Cert image posted on Barry's website is a forgery.Most of us who have made that statement have done so even before Barry's website had it when presented the image posted on the "KOS" website.
you'll want to read the article located at http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ in order to see the technical information and proof that the cert is in fact bogus, but aside from all the gobbledygook of technical information, the question here is simply, are you surprised that "IT'S A FORGERY"?
PS. In the interest of fairness:
For all of the Obama supporters, if you can show irrefutable proof that the information in that article is false, i will close the poll.
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raves posted Aug 07, 2008 02:33PM GMT
Answered Undecided
You leave me no alternative than to put "undecided". This is boardering slander ~ Do you have a clue how to get a US PASSPORT? The United States Dept. of State MUST have the certified ORIGINAL of the birth certificate, plus, plus, plus. Now you'll probably say that 'they' screwed up too! -
raves Aug 07, 2008 02:52PM GMTyeah and the guy from the daily KOS admitted he fudged it... or doesn't that matter to you?, so where's the slander?
you'll literally do ANYTHING to give this guy a pass won't you?
did you read the article?, or just offhandedly dismiss it because it isn't positive towards your little tin god? -
raves Aug 07, 2008 03:40PM GMT (edited)no, i shouldn't, and you're incorrect again, i've never said anyone who disagrees with me is "pro-Obama".. in fact i have discussions with Ron Paul supporters who disagree with me on things too... something you'd know if you actually knew as much about me as you would have us believe you do..
btw, nice job of avoiding the question once again..
PS. I forgot to ask.. "what do you call what comes out of your big mouth?"
hate?
lies?
deceit?
idiocy?
there's more on the list, but i'm sure you get the point...
here ya go, another place you can go spout your rantings...
Have a look...
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raves Aug 07, 2008 03:50PM GMTWere those questions? BTW YOU read what I wrote, I did not say that anyone that disagrees with you is pro-Obama; I SAID:
I noticed if ANYONE disagrees with you or questions you or is pro-Obama, NOTHING but sarcasim comes out of your big mouth!
Your question is like I said: '. . . boarding on slander . . ." look up the definition.
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raves Aug 07, 2008 04:09PM GMTI did read your comment, hence my response to you, and my poll is not bordering on slander... so let me ask you again..
did you read the article?, and do you simply dismiss the fact that the guy who forged the copy that was presented to us as being "authentic" admitted he forged it?, or is that little fact irrelevant?...
here let me explain slander to you..
presenting false and defamatory information as fact is slander, since the proof is there that neither the poll's question or the article is false it's not slander, this is not withstanding the other deciding factors in your premise...
you really should stop being an apologist for Obama.. unless of course they are paying you quite well to present yourself in the light that you do... -
raves +2 Jul 24, 2008 03:09AM GMTThat's not made up, in fact, even the guy from the "KOS" site admitted he faked the cert., how is that in any way "smear"?, unless of course the truth has now become smear, and lies are accepted as the truth?
and no, my can sucks, but not near as much as his opponent does... -
raves +2 Jul 24, 2008 04:30AM GMTthe one on their website is an exact copy of the forged one on the dailyKOS site...
now, unless they've photoshopped another one in the past week and quit using the admittedly forged one from the daily KOS site, then it sure as heck IS a fake....
but if you have proof to the contrary, i'll be more than willing to look at it... -
raves +1 posted Jul 21, 2008 11:30PM GMT
Answered Undecided
Ok... I'll bite. Here is a site refuting the claims of forgery. http://strata-sphere.com/blog... For those of you who are familiar with this site, it is not liberal or Obama-biased. Once the townspeople have lit their torches, it is very hard to call off the witch hunt, I realize, but I had to try. Enjoy your character execution and have a nice day : ) -
raves +1 Jul 22, 2008 12:19AM GMTNo problem. Thanks for the question. I never said I believed either one of them, but I think that people are too quick to jump to any conclusion based on what they read. I think that everyone, myself included, should do their homework before they believe anything. (See my latest poll.)
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raves +2 Jul 22, 2008 09:53PM GMTForgery... not forgery... whatever. The linked image on Obama 'fight the smears' site was provided by Kos&Co. For what it's worth IMHO the document was/is a forgery from over-enthusiastic supporters. Why on earth would we believe for an instant that Kos et al had access to this document in the first place.
I'd love it if it was proved a fraud/forgery and tracked back to Obama or his close minions... but that will never happen. The burning question remains... why will he not release that information (he cried loud enough for everyone's tax records) instead of allowing one of his own websites to link to an 'iffy-at-best' manipulated image?
But it's all just p*ssing in the wind anyway. The only document that would matter is a certified copy provided by Obama with all the pertinent information visible so that this crap can be put to rest once and for all... OR, even easier, his permission to make hospital records (both of the hospitals he has named) available. Bottom line is it's a distraction we don't need when/if there are real issues concerning his birthplace. There are enough people trying to find out the truth of that and this document is a distraction that people need simply discount as less than sufficient. -
raves +2 Jul 22, 2008 10:17PM GMTactually, the guy who posted it on the kos site finally fessed up that he faked it... then he "disappeared", or at least hasn't been very "active" since the admission...
not to mention, the one on KOS was posted while Obama was still refusing to release his, then all of a sudden Obama's folks come and say that the KOS one was real?... eheh, yeah i fell of the truck, but not the one that came through last night... -
raves +4 posted Jul 21, 2008 07:00PM GMT
Answered No, i knew it was all along, or i had my suspicions..
I'm starting to think this whole election was fixed. If he's not qualified as president they need to do the right thing and kick him out of the race. It's amazing how apathetic the left is being that they will ignore such things and force this guy on us, like he's the new messiah. I will vote McCain over this deceiver. -
raves +2 Jul 22, 2008 10:59PM GMT (edited)Could be... Two little not-so-funny facts:
The nominee's acceptance speech was planned to coincide with the anniversary of MLK's 'I Have A Dream' speech LONG before Obama was even close in the nomination...
And the move of the DNC to Chicago? Because of logistics it had to have been planned MONTHS before as well. hmmm Seems a few DNC leaders just 'knew' who the nominee would be... and are still doing all they can to insure his nomination including keeping Sen. Clinton out of the nomination and give her a purely symbolic role... forcing all her delegates to vote Obama as a sign of faux-Unity or suffer the consequences. -
raves +3 Jul 24, 2008 07:16AM GMTI totally believe it not sure if it was true but I herd HRC had a lot of death threats saying she would not see her first day in office if she won the nomination. I'm not ready to believe it, but good food for thought and insures me that voting McCain is the only way to screw up this conspiracy if it was true.
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raves +1 posted Jul 21, 2008 05:58PM GMT
Answered Undecided
I consider it a non-issue for the same reason I gave Bush's "military service" controversy very little attention.
Both sides are guilty of weird, unethical, and oftentimes illegal stuff. I also feel that BOTH SIDES are guilty of distracting us with stupid crap like this so that we're not really paying attention to the voting records of the senators running, or the other things they're doing behind closed doors.
George bush was a young, stupid, drunk kid and blew off some military service. Is that wrong? Hell yes, especially when kids who were NOT related to a politician were out there busting ass serving their time.
Do I think Bill should be getting a head with interns in the oval office? Probably not!
Do I think someone should post false birth documents? errr, obviously not. but it's small potatotes in a HUGE stew of other, more important stuff.
I want to know what's going to be done about price gouging oil companies, corporate welfare that's supposed to have provided us alternate fuel sources long ago, global climatic changes, and our economy.
I could really give a damn less who (in their youthful stupidity) did cocaine, drank too much, or evaded their military duties, got a little nookie in the oval office or who may have documentation issues ( don't mean illegally here, i just mean maybe his BC is fudged, I didn't feel the need to read the article, explained above...). -
raves +3 Jul 21, 2008 07:33PM GMTThanks StupidPplShldntBreed LOVES (had to copy the entire thing, i couldn't just shorten it to the first word LOL)
you make some good points overall, with but one minor exception...
you mention price gouging oil companies, but if they are paying almost $150.00 per 55 gallon barrel of "crude oil" and then have to refine it and are still only at about $4 a gallon, i can't see really where there's any "gouging" going on..
Take a 55 gallon barrel of crude @ $146 and that means they're paying $2.65 a gallon.
Now factor transportation, refining, and distribution into the mix, and then factor in that the original 55 gallon barrel of "crude" is NOT going to give you 55 gallons of gasoline, and i really find it hard to follow that line of reasoning from anyone..
Are the oil companies making a profit?, sure they are, but they're in business to do just that, also people complain about what their profits have been, but honestly, the oil companies operate on a model quite similar to "Wal-Mart" in that they don't make $1 a gallon profit on a million gallons, but they do make 0.18 cents a gallon profit on 6 to 10 million gallons.
(please note the figures i gave in that example are just to make the point, i could use any figures to do it and no where are those numbers implied to be factual figures from the oil industry, only the premise of the statement is factual)
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raves +1 Jul 24, 2008 05:52PM GMT*curtsies* thank you!
I don't profess to understand the whole deal. This is what i DO know. The top CEO of (I believe it was exxon, i could be wrong) personally made $36 million IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2008.
I also know that last week oil dropped $15 a barrel in one day,and is down a total of$20 a barrel since. I am still paying $4.15 a gallon for gas and am seriously facing having to get a second job to fund my transportation expenses AND still be able to eat.
I also know that congress has had several hearings this year alone with the gas companies to inquire about why all these years of corporate welfare (I'd have to research it, but i would bet lots of money it's tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars) for researching alternate fuel sources and energy, but no results.
I don't believe they are only making a nickle a gallon (which is their claim) a gallon of gas. Again, I don't know much about the process, per commodoty trading, or large scale economics to be honest. Regardless, that's why I say price gouging.
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raves +1 Jul 24, 2008 07:40PM GMTone of my jobs is at a gas station, i've known and done work for the guy who owns it for the past 10 years, his "profit" on a gallon of gas is 0.03 cents, i'm sure the delivery people make a few cents per gallon too, and well as the transportation costs from the refinery to the station (the final retail destination), however if you look at the millions and millions of gallo
Answered No, i knew it was all along, or i had my suspicions..
nothing that comes out on this guy surprises me.