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Do USAders hold soldiers in too high esteem?

Körïnthïän December 27, 2008 21:35:35

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  • +22 raves ☆♥Crystal Marie♥☆ December 30, 2008 03:44:18 (edited)
    ☆♥Crystal Marie♥☆

    No! Whenever I hear the word "troops" I stop thinking and start waving my flag.

    You cant be serious asking this question, please tell me this is a JOKE!
    There have been two people willing to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier!!!!!!

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    TiffanyHelene May 12, 2009 22:56:16
    TiffanyHelene

    No! Whenever I hear the word "troops" I stop thinking and start waving my flag.

    this is fucking ridiculous. you can not be seriously asking this.
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    Sweetness found Perfection January 03, 2009 10:11:51
    Sweetness found Perfection

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    I don't REALLY agree with this so much but its the best of the answers so i'll explain...
    I think that the level of unthinking patriotism in some is faintly sickening
    and i stress "unthinking" because patriotism can be a good thing
    but when you love your country so much that you're willing to overlook all the bad things it does, thats when its too far
    I don't hate the soldiers, i think that they are wonderful people just doing their job and i respect them for that.
    What i do hate is the government that sees fit to send them half a world away into a place that was not even a proven threat at the time they were sent.
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    Körïnthïän Sweetne... January 03, 2009 14:35:16
    Körïnthïän
    Good answer.
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    Sweetne... Körïnthïän January 04, 2009 11:10:15
    Sweetness found Perfection
    thank you
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    bamalady35077 January 01, 2009 13:24:55
    bamalady35077

    Why do you hate freedom, Korinthian?

    I think the support of our Miltary is not enough without them we would have no freedom as we know it now. It started with the Minute-men during and before the revolutinary war and continues today fighting for our freedoms and the freedom of others.
    beyond that you asked a very biased question with very biased answers. and because of our troops YOU would not even be able to ask such a question. revolutinary war continues fighting freedoms freedom biased biased answers troops
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    Körïnthïän bamalad... January 01, 2009 14:11:00
    Körïnthïän
    Oh come on, are you sure they don't do that just because they want to shoot their guns at someone?
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    bamalad... Körïnthïän January 01, 2009 14:15:45
    bamalady35077
    no, but you may be in my crosshairs.
  • Körïnthïän bamalad... January 01, 2009 18:01:37
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  • bamalad... Körïnthïän January 02, 2009 13:48:11
    bamalady35077
    My kids used to watch that show cute....
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    crsone December 31, 2008 21:44:35
    crsone

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    I don't quite mean this answer, but I don't like any of the others either. Those who chose to go into the armed forces do so for a variety of reasons, and defending us all is only one of those. Many do it because they see it as the only career opportunity they have, or as a way to get out of a bad situation. I think my son did it (he was in the Navy for 6 years) because he wanted some adventure in his life.

    Don't get me wrong -- I honor them when they wind up fighting and dying for their country. But they are human like the rest of us and, as such, are as complex as the rest of us.
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    GINGERBREAD December 31, 2008 15:00:22
    GINGERBREAD

    No! Whenever I hear the word "troops" I stop thinking and start waving my flag.

    What goes around, comes around. In the 60's, during the Vietnam wars, our soldiers were spat upon by these maggot infested "hippies" in the USA. Or at least they tried, whenever these ilks found a lone soldier. That reminds me of a story. It's a true story, by the way. Some time in the 60's, as I remember, it was 1964 or 1966. I and my troops just got back from S.E. Asia, and we were in San Francisco. There were six of us, still in our jungle fitigues, decided to stop at a bar to have a drink before going our separate ways. Lo, and behold, one of these ilks, in the bar, decided that it was ok to spit on one of my troopers. Quietly, one of my troopers locked the doors, another stopped the bar tender from getting to the telephone, and we proceeded to kick some "hippie" ass. After we were through, they were appogizing profusely, through their broken teeth, and they all got a haircut and a shave, from our sharp fighting knives. All was quiet while we left that hell hole of a bar. Moral of the story, don't fuck with the troops.
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    OhioGirl ~Where's my Oke? ~ December 31, 2008 13:02:49
    OhioGirl ~Where's my Oke? ~

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    Yeah, the soldiers are just people. Just people doing their duty to America, and protecting us!
    With that said, I do hate the wars. I don't like that we are there, I don't like them getting killed, I don't like civilians being killed, and I don't like the Bush administration at all!

    I can't think that anyone would hate the soldiers for doing what they are called to do. I respect that they are willing to put their life on the line for this great country.

    I'm split down the middle when it comes to the reasons we are there, But that wasn't the question.
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    Robin December 31, 2008 12:05:29 (edited)
    Robin

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    That's the WHOLE point. They're JUST PEOPLE. The people who sacrifice in ways we, the non military, can only begin to imagine. I'm not flag waving and beating the patriotism drum. I'm simply one 56 year old man who knows I'm able to own my home, drive my car, move about as I desire because of the men and women who took the oath to defend the country, people and Constitution of America. If I'm able I will always give up my seat, offer them a ride, pick up their meal check or at least speak to them and express my gratitude..... sometimes, when time doesn't permit more, I will simply lift my hand and wave; the whole time feeling beholding to a human being for covering my ass.

    Addition - Even people who may not be particularly good people are capable of doing good or even great things. I never discount the good deeds of a man/woman because they may be less than I personally think they should be. I was once in a very bad situation (gang attack) with no assistance except a stranger passerby who was a young, black, male, drag prostitute. We both got some cuts & bruises. I never even got his name. I regret that. I don't agree with, respect or approve of his lifestyle but he stepped up to do what he thought was right. Like our military, he will always have my respect for that.
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    GVC December 31, 2008 11:35:40 (edited)
    GVC

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    This was the best of a limited set of answers - could have used a "None of the Above" on this one.

    I think some people, as evidenced by the responses on this poll, have taken honor for our troops to a level that is beyond healthy to the point of obsession. Any word of criticism towards the war, the government or even military decisions are attacked in a rabid fashion that defies logic.

    Personally, I honor the troops while disagreeing with the wars and the politics behind them.

    I say this as someone who not only served 8 years Active Duty in the Navy and Submarine Service myself, but as someone whose brother spent 4 years in the Navy, whose husband spent 4 years in the Army and whose father spent 24 years in the Air Force including 3 tours in Vietnam.

    I know about service to our Country and Honor. I also know when to limit that honor when it stops being sane and approaches the level of Godhood, where the military can do no wrong simply because it IS the military, and everyone in it is automatically assumed to be a Hero simply for serving - regardless of how bad a person they are, or how nasty they behave. In those cases, I can honor the uniform and the tradition, but despite the individual in it who disgraces those traditions with their cowardly and despicable acts (like those ...







    This was the best of a limited set of answers - could have used a "None of the Above" on this one.

    I think some people, as evidenced by the responses on this poll, have taken honor for our troops to a level that is beyond healthy to the point of obsession. Any word of criticism towards the war, the government or even military decisions are attacked in a rabid fashion that defies logic.

    Personally, I honor the troops while disagreeing with the wars and the politics behind them.

    I say this as someone who not only served 8 ½ years Active Duty in the Navy and Submarine Service myself, but as someone whose brother spent 4 years in the Navy, whose husband spent 4 years in the Army and whose father spent 24 years in the Air Force including 3 tours in Vietnam.

    I know about service to our Country and Honor. I also know when to limit that honor when it stops being sane and approaches the level of Godhood, where the military can do no wrong simply because it IS the military, and everyone in it is automatically assumed to be a Hero simply for serving - regardless of how bad a person they are, or how nasty they behave. In those cases, I can honor the uniform and the tradition, but despite the individual in it who disgraces those traditions with their cowardly and despicable acts (like those shown here on SodaHead so many times).

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    Jezebel December 31, 2008 01:19:20
    Jezebel

    Jesus wants us to go to war, all the time, for any reason.

    haha, funny answer. I have a friend that is in Iraq right now, and frankly, he can be a fucking asshole. I don't view soldiers to be any better or worse than anyone else.
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    Ptown27 December 31, 2008 01:02:21
    Ptown27

    Shut up! You would be speaking German if it wasn't for our soldiers!

    I like this one best. Especially for Euros.
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    tibetsun December 30, 2008 22:35:00 (edited)
    tibetsun

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    Soldiers are people used by a government, to whatever end THEY deem as bringing THEM, the most power--no matter WHAT the consequences.
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    tallChristian December 30, 2008 21:43:54
    tallChristian

    Why do you hate freedom, Korinthian?

    They are the mainstay of our freedom.
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    katycapone December 30, 2008 21:09:04 (edited)
    katycapone

    Yeah, soldiers are just people.

    Honestly I think people talk the talk but don't walk the walk. They love to flag wave and say how much they support the troops. If people in this country really cared about the troops we would hold our politicians accountable for the way they treat our broken soldiers. Next time a homeless person asks them for money, I hope they don't bitch...he may be a vet.
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    RazGator December 30, 2008 20:10:39
    RazGator

    I support our troops! This requires me to not think at all!

    This question is deeper than it seems at first blush.

    Historically, From the time of the minutemen, we have been a nation of citizen-soldiers, primarily, wartime volunteers and conscripts. America did not have a large, standing, volunteer military until the early 80's. So we have only had 30 years or so to get used to the idea of having a standing army to fight our wars without resorting to utilizing the general populace.

    With conscription or large scale volunteering, almost everyone has a stake in supporting the troops.This is not the case with a standing army. people can largely go about their daily business without the direct impact of war. So supporting the troops becomes a much more problematic stance.

    Before, professional soldiers were widely viewed (rightly or wrongly) as people who couldn't function in regular society. When I served in the early to mid 80's, it was the "new" all-volunteer army crawling from the morass and PR nightmare that was Vietnam. We did not get a lot of respect at that time, but probably more so than the Vietnam vets received. Gradually, the idea was coming of a "professional" army. Still, veterans of the Grenada campaign didn't get a lot of love.

    The movement began to pick up momentum after the first Gulf War. I think that it is here that...



    This question is deeper than it seems at first blush.

    Historically, From the time of the minutemen, we have been a nation of citizen-soldiers, primarily, wartime volunteers and conscripts. America did not have a large, standing, volunteer military until the early 80's. So we have only had 30 years or so to get used to the idea of having a standing army to fight our wars without resorting to utilizing the general populace.

    With conscription or large scale volunteering, almost everyone has a stake in supporting the troops.This is not the case with a standing army. people can largely go about their daily business without the direct impact of war. So supporting the troops becomes a much more problematic stance.

    Before, professional soldiers were widely viewed (rightly or wrongly) as people who couldn't function in regular society. When I served in the early to mid 80's, it was the "new" all-volunteer army crawling from the morass and PR nightmare that was Vietnam. We did not get a lot of respect at that time, but probably more so than the Vietnam vets received. Gradually, the idea was coming of a "professional" army. Still, veterans of the Grenada campaign didn't get a lot of love.

    The movement began to pick up momentum after the first Gulf War. I think that it is here that public support for our professional soldiers began to be practiced and became more universally accepted. Additionally, by that time, those disrespected Vietnam vets had become middle- aged, middle- class with children and brought a better understanding of the sacrifices soldiers must undergo to the general populace.

    In my view, Americans are really just learning to respect the military. Additionally, a professional military isolates the populace by essentially fighting the war for them. It's too easy to get caught up in the daily life and not even think about the war. There's sort of a disconnect and unreality about it that disturbs me.

    So to answer the question; No, I do not believe that USAers hold soldiers in too high esteem. I answered "I support our troops! This requires me to not think at all!" But it does indeed require me to think and what I believe is that, we, as Americans, have not collectively learned to support a professional army without having to constantly remind ourselves to do so.
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    Katie ~ I love sergeantP ~ December 30, 2008 19:24:45
    Katie ~ I love sergeantP ~

    No! Whenever I hear the word "troops" I stop thinking and start waving my flag.

    My husband is a Soldier... I don't think that enough people hold them in high esteem. troops thinking waving flag husband soldier people hold high esteem
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    Jcap ~ Peace ~ December 30, 2008 17:01:03
    Jcap ~ Peace ~

    Without an active military, our economy would collapse... even more.

    I think the problem is that the USA holds war in too high esteem.
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    Foo Master Angie December 30, 2008 14:21:32
    Foo Master Angie

    No! Whenever I hear the word "troops" I stop thinking and start waving my flag.

    Our soldiers do as they're told. They don't get to pick and choose which wars they fight in. They put their lives on the line so that we can sit back and spend all day tooling around on the internet.

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    Nevermore. Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 15:07:42
    Nevermore.
    Why should I respect someone just for doing what they're told? I need more reason than that. Especially when what they're being told to do is immoral.
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    Foo Mas... Nevermore. December 30, 2008 15:28:03
    Foo Master Angie
    So, when our buildings were bombed on 9/11, we were supposed to do what? Nothing? When Pearl Harbor was bombed, we should have said what, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
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    Körïnthïän Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 16:01:14
    Körïnthïän
    That's not up to soldiers to decide.
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    Foo Mas... Körïnthïän December 30, 2008 16:04:28
    Foo Master Angie
    I understand that. But, they choose to serve and go where they're told to go. I work with Veterans. I'm surrounded by them pretty much on a daily basis, and anyone who tries to tell me that they're anything but heroes, I will gladly tell them that they're wrong.
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    Körïnthïän Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 16:49:22
    Körïnthïän
    Just as much as gardeners are heroes.
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    Foo Mas... Körïnthïän December 30, 2008 16:56:49
    Foo Master Angie
    No. I disagree. My friends and my family who have served and are serving are heroes. They keep this country safe. They fight overseas, so that the fighting doesn't come here.
    Honestly, I hope this country sees a war on it's own soil, so that people who don't think that our soldiers are heroes can finally be put in their place.
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    Stone Man Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 22:00:47
    Stone Man
    moderated...
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    Foo Mas... Stone Man December 30, 2008 22:32:53
    Foo Master Angie
    Maybe he got busy.
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    Stone Man Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 22:34:52
    Stone Man
    moderated...
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    Körïnthïän Foo Mas... December 30, 2008 22:51:20
    Körïnthïän
    Then you will see how heroic the gardeners are.
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    Foo Mas... Körïnthïän December 31, 2008 13:28:39
    Foo Master Angie
    Hope so.
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    OhioGir... Foo Mas... December 31, 2008 13:17:04
    OhioGirl ~Where's my Oke? ~
    My Brother was a soldier in Vietnam, when he talks about it, and that is rare, he says he did what he had to do for his country, he doesn't consider himself a hero, but an average American doing what he was called to do. He will even tell you that it's no different than him going to work everyday to take care of his family.
    WE might want to call them heroes, but they just want treated the same as the rest of us doing what we have to do everyday too.
    My Dad is the same way about it, and he was in WW11.
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    Foo Mas... OhioGir... December 31, 2008 13:29:56
    Foo Master Angie
    My best friend is a Navy S.E.A.L - he's served 6 tours overseas in Desert Storm, Afghanistan, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, and Fallujah. He feels the same way. HOWEVER - he does appreciate when strangers come up to him and shake his hand and say thank you.
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    OhioGir... Foo Mas... December 31, 2008 13:37:09
    OhioGirl ~Where's my Oke? ~
    Well so does Bill and Dad, but they don't want you to fuss over them, and they don't like talking about it.
    My dad is better than my brother, Bill will only slip bits and pieces out, he doesn't want to talk about it.
    My point was....They are just doing their job. And they did it the best they could, but also, they came home, and did their best to care for their family too.
    You see what I'm saying?
    And I feel for your friend, I have 2 family members in Irag right now, and 1 leaving for Afganistan soon, that just came back from Iraq.
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    Foo Mas... OhioGir... December 31, 2008 13:41:56
    Foo Master Angie
    Everyone is different. I had two Marine friends who were in the same unit in Iraq. One openly talks about his time over there and the other is like a clam. My Vietnam Vet friends talk about it all the time - the good and the bad times, but many of them have been or are still in PTSD counseling.
    I don't gush over them, but I do acknowledge and appreciate the fact that they put their lives on the line for ungrateful bastards without even thinking about it.
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    OhioGir... Foo Mas... December 31, 2008 13:49:44
    OhioGirl ~Where's my Oke? ~
    I'm not sure about the ungrateful bastards part. I don't really know anyone that blames a soldier for this mess.
    Most of us know where the blame lies.
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    Foo Mas... OhioGir... December 31, 2008 13:50:52
    Foo Master Angie
    Oh they're out there - ask your dad. If he's a Vietnam vet, I'm sure he's had his fair share of dealings with ungrateful bastards.
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