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Patti June 04, 2009 17:38:16

“Chief Engineer” Hyman Brown
by Patrick Marks
5/26/09
Colorado 9-11 Visibility

While introducing an interview that appeared on NBC-TV on September 11, 2001, Tom Brokaw referred to Hyman Brown as the “architect” of the World Trade Center’s Twin Towers.[i]

Hyman Brown was not the architect of the Twin Towers.

In an article that appeared on September 10, 2007, The Jerusalem Post referred to Hyman Brown as the “Twin Towers chief engineer.”[ii]

Hyman Brown was not the Twin Towers chief engineer.

Hyman Brown, in various books, articles, lectures, and television interviews has been referred to as the “architect . . . chief engineer . . . project engineer [iii]. . . construction manager[iv] . . . fifth in command ”[v] of the Twin Towers.

None of it is true. What’s more, Hyman Brown admits that none of it is true, although he has made no effort to set the record straight.

The Twin Towers were designed by architect Minoru Yamasaki in the early 1960s . . . when Hyman Brown was an undergraduate at City College of New York.[vi] Construction on the Twin Towers took place in the late 1960’s . . . when Hyman Brown was attending California State University at Los Angeles. The Twin Towers were completed in 1971 . . . when Hyman Brown was employed at Tishman Realty and Construction in Los Angeles. According to his own resume,[vii] Hyman Brown began working at the World Trade Center in 1972, a full year after the Twin Towers were dedicated.[viii] Did he hold a position of authority after 1972? Maybe. But he held no important position before then, although everywhere he goes, from Boulder to Jerusalem, he strives to leave the impression that he did.

In a history of the World Trade Center entitled City in the Sky, architect Minoru Yamasaki is referred to six times, chief engineer John Skilling thirteen times, structural engineer Leslie Robertson eight times, and construction manager Ray Monti six times, but Hyman Brown is not mentioned.[ix] In a personal email to me, Leslie Roberston said that he never heard of Hyman Brown.[x] How could that be? How could the structural engineer not know the identity of the “architect”, the “chief engineer”, the “production manager”? Is that credible?

In an interview with me, conducted in June of 2008, Hyman Brown admitted that he held none of the titles attributed to him. “It was my first job out of college, I was 25 years old, and I was the guy who sharpened the pencils. . . . It was my job to open the trailer and make coffee in the morning.”

But even those modest claims are probably not true.

When I asked him how he could simultaneously be in graduate school in Los Angeles and an engineer in New York, Brown told me that he “commuted” between New York and Los Angeles from 1967 through 1970, but is that credible? The typical salary for a novice engineer in 1966 was approximately $9,000, or $173 a week. The cost of a one-way ticket from Los Angeles to New York during that period was $217.65,[xi] which means that a round trip ticket was probably around $400. To believe that Hyman Brown commuted between New York and Los Angeles on the company’s dime, you have to believe that Tishman Realty, which had a fixed contract of $3.5 million, paid weekly travel fees in excess of salary for a novice engineer, who, by his own admission, did little more than make coffee. Is that credible? It is even less credible that Brown footed the bill himself, since the 1967 cost of a round trip flight was more than double his salary. And even if he did commute, how could he possibly work full time in New York and attend school full time in Los Angeles? No matter how you slice it, the story doesn’t add up.

Why is this information important?

1. Hyman Brown is often cited as an “expert” on the construction of the World Trade Center. In the Tom Brokaw piece, for example, “architect” Hyman Brown “explained” why the Twin Towers collapsed. In a public talk in Boulder, Colorado, “5th in command” Hyman Brown “explained” how the steel beams melted.[xii] Hyman Brown is cited as an authority in documentaries made by the History Channel and the BBC, and even 9-11 Truth champion David Ray Griffin has quoted “construction manager” Hyman Brown.[xiii] Brown’s remarks are considered valuable because he was there. Problem is, he wasn’t there, in all probability, and even if he was, all he did was make coffee.

2. Brown’s “expert analysis” always supports the official Bush administration myth. Always. Brown “explains” why the steel melted and the buildings collapsed, even though his “explanation” has no basis in engineering, architecture, the forensic evidence, the temperature of jet fuel, the melting point of steel, or the laws of physics, and he uses his “authority” as “architect”, “chief engineer”, “production manager”, and “5th in command” to gain instant credibility. And when people believe him, they believe the Official Myth. I know people with PhD’s in the sciences who parrot Bush Administration propaganda because they heard Hyman Brown “explain” it to them. But if Hyman Brown was not “architect”, “chief engineer”, or “production manager”, if Hyman Brown was an undergraduate when the Twin Towers were planned, if Hyman Brown was in California when the Twin Towers were built, if Hyman Brown is a complete stranger to the men who actually built the Twin Towers, what does that say about his credibility?

3. The Myth of 9-11, for which “chief engineer” Hyman Brown is one of the most vocal spokesmen, has been used to justify unprovoked attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, the murder of between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens, the building of concentration camps, domestic spying, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, the payment of billions of dollars to shady defense contractors, a national debt that is counted in the trillions, and hundreds of other domestic and foreign policy disasters. Indeed, The Myth of 9-11 is so entrenched that Barack Obama himself pledged to go after the terrorists in Afghanistan. It might seem like an innocent prank to fake your credentials and get on TV, but Hyman Brown’s testimony is far from innocent. He did not create the 9-11 Myth, of course, but he lied in order to perpetuate it, and he lied early, when the myth was still being formed. It would have developed without him, I’m sure, but in his small way, he has been a cog in the Death Machine.xi

The question is, why was NBC News interviewing Hyman Brown in the first place, on the very day of the 9-11 disaster, when he

. . . wasn’t the architect (although Tom Brokaw claimed he was)?

. . . wasn’t the project engineer (although NBC correspondent Roger O’Neal claimed he was)?

. . . wasn’t even living in New York when the Twin Towers were built?

Why did NBC call him? Or did he call them? But if they called him, why? Where did they get his name? He isn’t mentioned in any book I have read about the construction of the Twin Towers. His own resume places him in California during the years when the Twin Towers were built. Why call him when people who played key roles in the project were available? Was his name on a list? And if so, where did that list come from? Who compiled it? Was the Bush administration involved? Why call him when five minutes of fact-checking would have revealed that he was neither “architect” nor “construction manager”? Why did NBC fail to do that fact-checking? And if he called them, why? Was it ego? Was it delusions of grandeur? Was he seeking his 15 minutes of fame? Or was he on the payroll of the Bush administration? Was it Hyman Brown’s job to spread disinformation? And why did NBC bite? Were they merely incompetent or were they actively seeking an “expert” to lend credence to the Official Myth?

I don’t know the answers to those questions. All I know is, something fishy is going on.
It is the truth.  There is something wrong with 911 explanations.
Ill debunk it.
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  • Preussisches rotes Mondsteigen ~ Red Moon Goddess

    Undecided

    I m undecided about it but listening ~ Red Moon
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    Patti Preussi... June 16, 2009 15:30:41
    Patti
    that is a good thing honey. I know your very open minded so Im sure u will see what is happening soon. how u been sweety?
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    Preussi... Patti June 16, 2009 15:36:52
    Preussisches rotes Mondsteigen ~ Red Moon Goddess
    tryijng 2 keep my account from being 404d ~ Red Moon
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    Patti Preussi... June 16, 2009 20:38:05
    Patti
    LOL never you. Your always very appropriate.
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    Alien Ramone June 13, 2009 01:31:48
    Alien Ramone

    None of the above



    Here is some more 9/11 information that a lot of people may not have heard about, that came out early this year (2009). There is a link to an interview with a soldier who was present in the room at a military base where a shoot down order was being discussed on 9/11/2001:
    http://www.projectcamelot.org...
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    Patti Alien R... June 13, 2009 13:35:30
    Patti
    Good point. Im sure they were denying the relation for a good reason. Deceipt.
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    Alien R... Patti June 13, 2009 14:28:05
    Alien Ramone
    Yes. Any evidence that shows they weren't telling the truth about flight 93, brings everything else into question. They can't have a critical mass of people realizing what happened.
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    Patti Alien R... June 14, 2009 04:27:41
    Patti
    Yes they do. And half the country who do believe something was wrong with that day cant be crazy. Half the country crazy? They need to rethink those numbers.
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    PaulWM Alien R... June 13, 2009 13:40:50
    PaulWM
    I like the video, I hadn't seen it before, but I had read the story in David's book.

    As you can see from my other contributions here, I am convinced, beyond all doubt, that 9/11 was indeed a complete fraud.

    However, I am reluctant.to give much creedance to the "Project Camelot" stuff. It looks like more of a site for believers in aliens and the paranormal. This not what 9/11 truth is all about.

    As an engineer I do my analyses in line with the known sciences. The 9/11 building "demolitions" were real and provable and must not be confused with anything else !!!!!.
  • Patti PaulWM June 13, 2009 13:44:07
    Patti
    It does bring up one good point thou paul. The chertoff connection.
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    PaulWM Patti June 14, 2009 03:12:19
    PaulWM
    Oh yes. That connection is very important!
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    Alien R... PaulWM June 13, 2009 14:21:17
    Alien Ramone
    It's just as well that many who are trying to expose what the governments of the world are planning, stay away from the alien disclosure issue, since it is even more speculative and can affect credibility. But personally I think, if one does a lot of research on it, they will usually come to the conclusion that the government has been covering up alien contact since around the 1950s. Here is a link to a comment I made recently with some UFO/alien videos that I think are very interesting:
    http://www.sodahead.com/news/...
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    Patti Alien R... June 14, 2009 04:26:46
    Patti
    Quite frankly Im with you on that too. People are naive if they think in the vast universe that there might not be another life form out there somewhere. Roswell is a big wonder for me. Why? I would not put it past government to interbreed with aliens. They are that greedy and unethical. But I dont think aliens have anything to do with the corruption on 911.
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    Alien R... Patti June 14, 2009 04:55:21
    Alien Ramone
    A lot of agencies such as the CIA, NSA, Majestic 12, and the Bilderberg Group started up after the Rosewell crash. William Cooper talks a lot about it in the link that I provided. I brought up aliens in response to PaulWM's mention of them. No, they're not integral to what happened on 911.
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    Patti Alien R... June 14, 2009 05:02:57
    Patti
    I saw that about the bilderbergs. Very interesting considering it was created back in the 50's???? Illuminati are supposed to be reptilian aliens. My husband said that was absurd. You know what I said? In this world, nothing would surprise me anymore. they are supposed to be interbred with humans. bush and cheney being part of them. Now Im not so sure about that honestly but it wouldnt surprise me. They are trying to clone, they have discovered DNA, etc. Great technologies have erupted in the past few decades. Its interesting to say the least.
  • Alien R... Patti June 14, 2009 05:30:48 (edited)
    Alien Ramone
    Although I think David Icke has it right on his view about the NWO, I think he jumped into the whole Reptilian shape shifter idea without thinking it through, and I think he kind of liked the shock value of it. I think he has pretty much pulled back from talking about that now. Here is a clip from "The Disclosure Project" in which Clifford Stone who worked in the military doing recoveries of crashed alien crafts, talks about how there were 57 species of aliens categorized:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Here is a link to a comment I made showing the alien species that are thought to be involved in events happening on Earth. The rest of the 57 or more aren't involved much. Any interbreeding most likely happened around the time of the early hominids and first civilizations, and most references to interbreeding are with the Anunnaki, which most don't consider reptilian (although some do). These kinds of details are all very speculative:
    http://www.sodahead.com/quest...

    Postscript: Also Greys are thought to have recently been involved in the creation of Human-Grey hybrids:
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    Patti Alien R... June 14, 2009 12:49:49 (edited)
    Patti
    interesting. I will go watch the youtube clip and let you know what I think. Have u ever seen the alien autopsy where it was performed in the 50's and kodak verified it was their film and special effects were not created back then. this autopsy looks to real. If they didnt have these special effects in film then, what is this? And it is in black and white. Looks too real to me.
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    Alien R... Patti June 14, 2009 20:13:08
    Alien Ramone
    There are so many different stories about the Alien Autopsy film that I don't know what to believe, even considering what Santilli himself says. According to the following investigative report, Santilli did buy actual film of an alien autopsy and debris of an alien craft from an army cameraman, but it was falling apart, so he restored (re-filmed) it, but did use some of the frames from the original. There are interviews with Santilli and some of his group in this report (start watching around 13:10 to get to the more interesting information):

    http://video.google.com/video...
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    Patti Alien R... June 15, 2009 01:18:12
    Patti
    pretty interesting
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    Patti Alien R... June 16, 2009 15:31:42
    Patti
    Im still doing my research alien
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    \V/ June 12, 2009 09:40:16
    \V/

    It is the truth. There is something wrong with 911 explanations.

  • Patti \V/ June 12, 2009 12:52:15
    Patti
    I like this video becuz it does comparison demo on other bldgs. It is pretty obvious for anyone that doesnt see the demo was there.
  • ptete in left I trust June 07, 2009 17:23:02
    ptete in left I trust

    None of the above

    Brokow did a crappy job in reporting. I don't think that there was anything else. I saw an excellent piece on the Twin Towers on the history channel that gave the correct credit to architect Minoru Yamasaki and the theories of what made them fall explored from several angles.
  • Patti ptete i... June 07, 2009 17:44:34
    Patti
    yes big media style. they go hand in hand with government
  • ptete i... Patti June 07, 2009 18:53:11
    ptete in left I trust
    all I can respond to here is that brokow did a crappy job in reporting. I'm not able to make a blanket statement regarding government relating to the media. However, I am completely aware of how bush used Fox news during his "reign". I am also aware that Obama uses "commercials" for public education. You can take what you want from this, but the main thing is to stay informed on all counts.
  • Patti ptete i... June 08, 2009 02:02:16
    Patti
    including 911 ptete
  • ptete i... Patti June 08, 2009 13:55:33
    ptete in left I trust
    chenney is STILL using 911 to invoke fear. We need to move past this. 911 was only ONE terrorist attack. We've had others. The most recent that I can think of at this moment was the Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma by Timothy McVeigh. We don't say "post federal building world". We don't bring it up every day or 24 times in a single speech. I don't remember how many men, woman and children (there was a daycare in the building) were killed that day. It didn't change our world. It changed lives, but not the world. There will be more terrorist attacks. There have always been! We aren't going to end them.

    Those that allow the government to use fear as a reason to allow them to take civil liberties from them are allowing the government to limit their freedom. The government has to do their part in protecting us, and we have to make certain that we protect ourselves from the governement by voting in people who won't try to govern by removing civil liberties on the pretense of "protection".

    We have to remain vigilent and ever watchful of those that have their own agenda of making money on the backs of those they are supposed to serve, and of removing liberties at the pretense of protection.

    I will trade any day chenney's fascism for Obama's "socialistic program" of healthcare for everyone.
  • Patti ptete i... June 08, 2009 19:25:26
    Patti
    scholars for 911.
    scholarsfor911truth.com
  • PaulWM ptete i... June 09, 2009 11:30:14
    PaulWM
    Cheney IS one of the 9/11 Terrorists !!!!!!

    People, Wake up Now! Scientific Professionals KNOW 9/11 was a FRAUD and so should you. Do not accept it, do some real research.

    "Google" all of these organisations:

    Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

    Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth

    Complete 9/11 Timeline

    Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

    Journal of 9/11 Studies

    Lawyers for 9/11 Truth

    Patriots Question 9/11

    Pilots for 9/11 Truth

    Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth

    Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

    Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

    Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven

    Veterans for 9/11 Truth

    911Truth.org
  • ptete i... PaulWM June 09, 2009 15:11:00
    ptete in left I trust
    Thank you - I am joining Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth
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    PaulWM ptete i... June 10, 2009 06:51:36
    PaulWM
    Yess! Way to go
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    PaulWM ptete i... June 10, 2009 06:02:02 (edited)
    PaulWM
    ptete,

    I live in Australia and have travelled extensively in Europe and yes, I have been to the USA, but only California - and I have also watched Mike Moore's "Sicko".

    It seems to me that the USA has the very worst health care and wellfare programs, anywhere in the developed world.

    Do you really think Obama will make good on his healthcare promises?

    Obama is already coming out very stridently in favour of the "Official" 9/11 story, and seeing that my 35-years as a structural engineer convinces me of something completely different, I unfortunately suspect he also is a fraud, but only time will tell, I guess!
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    morning... PaulWM June 10, 2009 10:03:51
    morning40oz~NeoRadical
    If you look at him closely, you will see that he is Bush on steroids.
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    Patti morning... June 11, 2009 01:05:37
    Patti
    LMAO morning. That is so good. I know its really not funny but the way u put it is. Love it.
  • ptete i... PaulWM June 10, 2009 15:26:03
    ptete in left I trust
    I believe that there is something in the works right now. I listened to a senator speaking of it last night and they expect some kind of bill to come out some time in July. All I can say is that SOMETHING is better than nothing and a place to start. There are too many Americans that are falling through the cracks on health care. I just had a patient that had obviously fallen through the crack, and she had worked all her life as a medical records clerk. It was very sad. She had lost her insurance with her job, and was so sick that they needed to be in intensive care for a week (at taxpayer $$) and then referred to hospice because there wasn't much we could do. Sad because had she had insurance, the problem she had for over a year since losing her job could have been dealt with. She was too sick to find another job, and then the job market fell apart.

    Yes, I believe Obama will do good on his promise for health care. He's already doing good on a lot of his promises.

    There are those that don't want change, and are happy with the status quo that we have had for years. They are the ones that are screaming the loudest over how badly Obama is doing. So far, I've seen nothing but good from his administration. Here and there things that could be done better. He's new. His administra...



    I believe that there is something in the works right now. I listened to a senator speaking of it last night and they expect some kind of bill to come out some time in July. All I can say is that SOMETHING is better than nothing and a place to start. There are too many Americans that are falling through the cracks on health care. I just had a patient that had obviously fallen through the crack, and she had worked all her life as a medical records clerk. It was very sad. She had lost her insurance with her job, and was so sick that they needed to be in intensive care for a week (at taxpayer $$) and then referred to hospice because there wasn't much we could do. Sad because had she had insurance, the problem she had for over a year since losing her job could have been dealt with. She was too sick to find another job, and then the job market fell apart.

    Yes, I believe Obama will do good on his promise for health care. He's already doing good on a lot of his promises.

    There are those that don't want change, and are happy with the status quo that we have had for years. They are the ones that are screaming the loudest over how badly Obama is doing. So far, I've seen nothing but good from his administration. Here and there things that could be done better. He's new. His administration is new. Five months into office isn't a long enough time to really evaluate what good will come. The stimulus hasn't been delivered to more than 5% of where it is supposed to go yet. I believe it will help.

    Some of the banks have been OK'd to start paying back millions, at a profit to the government that loaned it. I think that is a great thing, considering the shambles in which bush left things.

    As far as the "real" 9/11 story goes - I also have my doubts there. However, he can hardly be held accountable for that one. If anyone it should be the sitting president whose watch it happened on.
    (more)
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    PaulWM June 07, 2009 09:01:47 (edited)
    PaulWM

    It is the truth. There is something wrong with 911 explanations.

    Richard Humenn who really was the Senior Project Engineer-Electrical at the time of the construction of the Twin Towers, is a member of "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth"

    http://www.ae911truth.org/inf...
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    PaulWM June 06, 2009 14:18:54
    PaulWM

    None of the above

    From 35 years experience as a structural engineer I KNOW with 100% certainty that the WTC collapses were explosive demolitions. Buildings simply cannot behave that way for any other reason!
  • Patti PaulWM June 06, 2009 17:00:24 (edited)
    Patti
    thank u. I love u paul. thank u. I sooooooo agree. I have researched demolition and yes amen to u. So question for you. How long does it take to set up demo? I say it had to be set up before 911? am I correct?
  • PaulWM Patti June 07, 2009 01:34:12 (edited)
    PaulWM
    I do not claim to be an expert on high-rise demolition, but to completely shatter and pulverise a 100+ -story tower into fragments and dust would require huge amounts of explosive energy. There would have to have been hundreds, if not thousands of separate charges set and sequenced to achieve the final result and you can't set-up that sort of thing overnight.

    I would guess it took weeks to get the buildings ready.

    I encourage eveyone to keep reseaching the facts of 9/11; but beware, the more you find out, the more angry you become.

    And it is not just the buildings: does everyone realise that no verifiable plane debris was found at either the Pentagon or the Pennsylvania "crash" site? But small body and plane fragments were recovered from and area of 8-square miles in Pennsylvania! This time, a mid-air explosive demolition was almost certainly the cause!

    Please visit http://www.ae911truth.org/
  • Patti PaulWM June 07, 2009 01:41:36
    Patti
    oh god thank u so much paul. Now why am I infuriated. Every single person they killed and those that jumped....I so want someone punished for it. thx again.
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