Would you intervene if you saw a gay teen pressured into "reparative therapy" meant to change his sexual orientation?

by ABCnews.com Posted 2012/02/10 01:29:23

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	No. It's none of my business.	347 votes	12%
	No. I think such counseling is a good idea.	629 votes	22%
	Yes. There's nothing wrong with being gay.	1,845 votes	65%

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Kigan 2012/02/12 22:25:52

Yes. There's nothing wrong with being gay.

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This crap is actually dangerous. It doesn't "fix" anything because there is nothing to fix, but it can do great damage psychologically. No one has any right to force someone gay into this therapy, be it by physical force or by trying to talk them into it.

You can't pray it away.
You can't wish it away.
You can't force someone into phony therapy to make it go away.

You are born gay. There is nothing wrong with it.

There IS something wrong with people that are willing to force gay people into this kind of therapy just because they can't come to terms with the idea that there is nothing wrong with being gay. That's their issue, and perhaps they need therapy, not the person who is gay.
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gvc to LizBeil... 2012/02/14 05:17:12

And people like you who judge people like me aren't either.

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genetic... to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 22:14:23

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I was just about to mention homosexuality in other species. They can't "choose" to be gay. To Gina: despite your opinion homosexuality is natural. My theory is that nature uses homosexuality in species as a population control mechanism. Regardless of the reason some animals, including us, ( http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are... ) are naturally prone to homosexuality. There is no "cure" because there isn't anything to cure.

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Rhi-ot. to genetic... 2012/02/13 22:44:54

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Very agreed! Ya I was looking through some stuff online to post to that Gina woman and it was saying that some species use sex to solve conflicts, whether of the same or opposite sex.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 01:20:22

Gina woman? Hahahaha You're a class act aren't you.
You are NOT an animal, you are a human being. Give the whole nature spin a rest, Not buying it. But as I told you before, keep trying. And try looking at evidence not produced by the gay community to support their agenda.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/14 01:27:41

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Science class taught me that my ancestors are apes. Religion class taught me that much of genesis are mythical stories meant to explain what couldn't be explained at the time. Therefore, I know that I am not only a human being, I'm an animal. I really don't think the research I found was made by the gay community, just researchers trying to discover something about homosexuality!

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 01:43:35

Really, I could almost believe YOUR ancestors were apes. Almost, however nothing could be further from the truth. If apes could turn into human beings they would still be having human babies today....and guess what, IT"S NOT HAPPENING.
Religion class taught you NOTHING.
Just an FYI for you....the biggest part of research on homosexuality has been funded and driven by the gay community, people with an agenda, and hardly unbiased.
Why not spend some time actually learning something.
And if you don't like my comments....stop responding to my post. Educating you is taking up way to much of my time.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/14 02:18:59

You should probably pull your children out of school, if you have any.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 02:29:21

What is your problem? You can't handle people with differing viewpoints? You are going to have a rough life ahead. I will worry about my children, and when you grow up and have some, you can worry about yours. ok?

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gvc to genetic... 2012/02/14 01:18:15

Animals also eat their young and eat their food while it is still alive. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS. We are human beings. But if you want to compare Animals to Humans, Nature is very cruel, and will kill off the weak in the species. The biggest pile of nonsense I have ever heard.

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genetic... to gvc 2012/02/13 22:13:42

Stop ranting and start posting scientific links to justify your stance. Your credibility level so far is nil.

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gvc to genetic... 2012/02/14 01:46:45

You want links that animals eat their young and the animals they kill while still alive? Jeez, you are one lazy person aren't you. Do the work yourself. Funny, when someone post a link to something that supports their viewpoint, those are the people that lose all credibility with me. But then I actually do my own work, and don't expect others to do it for me.
Let me guess.....you're a liberal. hahahaha

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genetic... to gvc 2012/02/14 04:31:03

Actually I have some conservative, some progressive, and some liberal ideas.
Yes, some animals do eat their young but most animals don't.

And with your statement "Funny, when someone post a link to something that supports their viewpoint, those are the people that lose all credibility with me" I have to end this. There is no way to logically debate without backing up one's point of view. It's been fun. Bye.

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gvc to genetic... 2012/02/14 05:18:55

I gave up on you long before that, having realized you are only interested in hearing your own viewpoint. You are a total waste of time.

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genetic... to gvc 2012/02/14 05:39:37

Thank you.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 02:41:27

And Jesus does care if you are gay!!!

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/13 03:54:59

Where in the new testament does he say he cares? Nowhere. He cared for prostitutes, the poor, thieves, etc. You're trying to tell me he had one exception that was gays? Quit putting Jesus' name to shame!

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 04:01:30

1 Corinthians 6:9 maybe you should actually familiarize yourself with scripture before commenting on it. Jesus does care, and did not save anyone so they could continue to live a life of sin. You are reading more into my sentence than I said, I never said and this only applies to Gays. We will let Jesus decide if I have shamed Him....that is not your call.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/13 04:22:58

I've read the new testament. I was speaking in terms of where Jesus reaches out to those people mentioned. like Luke chapter 19? And Mary Magdalene, a prostitute? and Romans 1:26-28... touche. But, the bible says a lot of things.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 04:26:09 (edited)

Jesus reached out to all sinners, not just gays. Believe me, I do not think gay people's sins are any more sinful than my own. But I know that we do not have to live in sin.
You're correct, the bible does say a lot of things....do you pick and choose the "things" you think are right?

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 04:07:02

And how about you read Romans 1:26-28 then tell me again it does not condemn homosexuality in the Bible.

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genetic... to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 23:29:32

Actually he does say. See what Gina says about this. http://www.wouldjesusdiscrimi...

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Rhi-ot. to genetic... 2012/02/13 23:43:09

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haha did you post it to her?! NICE! I don't think it'll knock any sense into her though, I just gave up after awhile...

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genetic... to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/13 23:57:17

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Oh yeah, she got it. The thing about the bible is the ambiguity. The book was written by many humans over a 600 year span, not a god. There are passages that are going to refute this. Too much of the bible is simply the viewpoint of the author. Same with the Qur'an. Muslim terrorists quote parts that meet their agenda while most Muslims consider the killings forbidden. People simply choose the parts that suit them.

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gvc to genetic... 2012/02/14 03:12:41

You are delusional. Do you really think I care what your gay friends have to say about God? Wrong! You don't like the fact that God has a problem with homosexuality? May I suggest you take it up with HIM. And if you don't believe, keep living the way you want....you will believe soon enough.

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genetic... to gvc 2012/02/14 04:20:45

Unlikely I'll believe in this life. There is no real evidence of a god. The bible is somewhat factual fiction. I'll have to wait until my body quits to find out for sure.

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Rhi-ot. to genetic... 2012/02/14 04:08:42

That's exactly why the only things I truly look at are the gospels. I didn't bother explaining that to her, but that's four accounts that are very similar that show how Jesus lived, and in my opinion his way of life was good- he treated everyone well, knew everyone sinned but still accepted them, etc.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 05:22:47

The only thing you bother looking at are the gospels? Wow, you are missing a LOT. Jesus never allowed his followers to continue to live in sin, but accepted all who came to Him regardless of their past. Mary Magdalene whom you referenced in an earlier post did not continue to be a prostitute after coming to Jesus. It's become quite clear to me, that you don't know Jesus at all.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/15 02:35:17

the bible was written by so many people with their own biases and there are so many times parts of the bible will contradict other parts of the bible... I know so many people who've read the bible who became atheist afterwards. I've read stories of people like Brian Welch and others who were saved by Jesus, listened to speakers, and realized what it takes for me personally to know the God I'm connecting with. I feel God blesses me everyday, so obviously I'm doing something right :)

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 03:18:35

You gave up, because you did not have a legitimate defense of your position.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/14 04:19:18

I gave up because it wouldn't let me press the reply button, thought you blocked me. I thought you were done with me? You say that I'm not okay with other people's viewpoints while you responded to my view on homosexuality first, along with many other posters. You say that evolution is a lie ignoring the obvious proofs done by scientists that you seem to think are liars with hidden agendas, you too pick and choose things from the bible as you ignored geneticmistake's post about Jesus saying people can be born gay, you tell me my whole schooling has been a joke while I wonder where you learned all of your information? Did you not go to school? Then you say I have problems for telling you to pull your children out of school because you know what? They teach evolution. They teach tolerance and acceptance. At Catholic schools, they teach religion in ways you probably won't like- picking and choosing the good things about religion while ignoring other parts of the bible. Your children are going to grow out of your views because in this progressing world, people accepts homosexuals. People VALUE science because it is worth A LOT. Do you know what it takes for a scientific theory to be valid? It needs to be consistent with observations. Evolution is a theory, therefore it has been fo...

I gave up because it wouldn't let me press the reply button, thought you blocked me. I thought you were done with me? You say that I'm not okay with other people's viewpoints while you responded to my view on homosexuality first, along with many other posters. You say that evolution is a lie ignoring the obvious proofs done by scientists that you seem to think are liars with hidden agendas, you too pick and choose things from the bible as you ignored geneticmistake's post about Jesus saying people can be born gay, you tell me my whole schooling has been a joke while I wonder where you learned all of your information? Did you not go to school? Then you say I have problems for telling you to pull your children out of school because you know what? They teach evolution. They teach tolerance and acceptance. At Catholic schools, they teach religion in ways you probably won't like- picking and choosing the good things about religion while ignoring other parts of the bible. Your children are going to grow out of your views because in this progressing world, people accepts homosexuals. People VALUE science because it is worth A LOT. Do you know what it takes for a scientific theory to be valid? It needs to be consistent with observations. Evolution is a theory, therefore it has been found to be consistent with observations. Do you think the many authors of the bible had any idea about any of this stuff? They didn't. So they made up a myth so that people could better understand. Also, about how I pick and choose about the bible. I read the gospels- Things written about Jesus' life and his true words, and what religion class and priests I have talked to taught me- because I'm sure that's all I need to get by.
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genetic... to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 04:38:24

+1
"Funny, when someone post a link to something that supports their viewpoint, those are the people that lose all credibility with me". This is when I gave up. It's hopeless.

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Rhi-ot. to genetic... 2012/02/14 04:45:56

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I lost hope at about "If apes could turn into human beings they would still be having human babies today....and guess what, IT"S NOT HAPPENING." I really want to give her a science book or maybe one of the many evolution movies we watched at a catholic high school, but those people who have made them have apparently wasted their lives behind a gay hidden agenda and are making up lies, and I have been taught nothing in school. There is no hope for the future, apparently.

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genetic... to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 05:13:23

I don't know what catholic schools are like today but I was in catholic school from the late '50s to 1970. Some things that were mortal sins at 14 in 8th grade weren't a big deal a year later. Grade school and high school were like 2 different religions. The catholic high school was progressive for the time despite most of the teachers being Xaverian brothers. The contradictions between the 2 schools raised too many questions. What I've learned since then makes me seriously doubt the existence of a christian god or similar. I'm more inclined to believe humans made god.

Sweet dreams.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/14 05:13:42

I find it amazing that the youth of this world will believe without question, a movie, but doubt the word of God.
Catholic school was wasted on YOU.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/15 02:50:32

I guarantee I'll be making twice as much as you when I become a DOCTOR considering I have A's in SCIENCE. So no, my schooling wasn't a waste. The Catholic part wasn't a waste either, considering I've gotten A's in all religion courses too :) The nun that taught me religion one year told my mom how much she loved teaching me and it was obvious I came from a good Christian background. So these comments of yours don't make me feel like anything was wasted on me. It was a scientific movie first of all. Secondly, evolution could be the answer to HOW God did what he did, instead of an alternative to God. The bible says God created the world in 6 days, but also in the bible it says a second will flash as a thousand years in God's eyes- sounds like enough time for everything evolution teaches to occur. Also, the bible was written by so many different authors. The scriptures that the Church thought were BEST were compiled into the bible. Although these authors were influenced by God, I'm sure they brought their own biases into it. We are only HUMAN- not perfect. Not god-like.

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Rhi-ot. to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/15 02:51:32

a thousand years will flash as a second in God's eyes. * pardon my mistake

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/15 03:25:17

Wow you should be proud, an A in science, congratulations to you!

I base my opinion of you, on your words, because, of course, I have nothing else to base an opinion on. You do not seem to have a firm grasp of what Christianity is all about.

We are on this earth by intelligent design, we did not evolve from anything, period.

Furthermore, you can not pick and choose the parts of the Bible you want to believe and the parts you don't. It's an all or nothing proposition.

What you earn in life, means little to God. You look on the outside, but God looks on the inside. The fact that you would claim superiority over anyone, proves your heart is not in the right place. You have a weak head knowledge, but nothing in the heart.

My encounter with you has proven, that you are swayed by what's popular now,you strive to be politically correct, and have no real foundation.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He does not change to fit modern society. Homosexuality is nothing new, it has been happening for ages.
God does not change his laws because you think there is nothing wrong with it.
I have gay friends, that I love and admire. They are good people, who like everyone else, including myself sin. They know my belief that homosexuality is a sin, I have told them....y...

Wow you should be proud, an A in science, congratulations to you!

I base my opinion of you, on your words, because, of course, I have nothing else to base an opinion on. You do not seem to have a firm grasp of what Christianity is all about.

We are on this earth by intelligent design, we did not evolve from anything, period.

Furthermore, you can not pick and choose the parts of the Bible you want to believe and the parts you don't. It's an all or nothing proposition.

What you earn in life, means little to God. You look on the outside, but God looks on the inside. The fact that you would claim superiority over anyone, proves your heart is not in the right place. You have a weak head knowledge, but nothing in the heart.

My encounter with you has proven, that you are swayed by what's popular now,you strive to be politically correct, and have no real foundation.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He does not change to fit modern society. Homosexuality is nothing new, it has been happening for ages.
God does not change his laws because you think there is nothing wrong with it.
I have gay friends, that I love and admire. They are good people, who like everyone else, including myself sin. They know my belief that homosexuality is a sin, I have told them....yet we remain friends.
They are infinitely more mature than you are, possible because they have several years of growing up under their belt.
Let me make myself clear yet again, I don't not condemn gay people, but I am aware it is their choice, they are not born that way because there is no gay gene. I think blaming biology is a weak and cowardly way to explain their behavior.

I can't tell if you are gay or not from our conversations. My gut tells me you may be. Whatever, you get no condemnation from me, your life and your convictions are between you and God.
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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/15 03:35:46

I am not gay, I have a boyfriend. I have never had the urge to do anything with a girl, and if I chose to be with a girl I definitely wouldn't feel the same thing biologically as I do for a man.
I just hate when people seem to think they're better than others based on sexuality, race, etc.
I'm very surprised you have gay friends.
You say you don't condemn gay people, yet in an earlier post you said "I do think the sins of a gay person are greater than my own" I'm pretty sure the bible says all sins are treated equal, but I guess you pick and chose to ignore that part.
I don't think it's only biology btw. I think some people are because of certain experiences, coming of age/confusion, etc.

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gvc to Rhi-ot. 2012/02/15 03:41:52

That little girl is a straight up lie, I NEVER said the sins of gay people were greater than my own. Reading is not your best event I see.
Why don't you give my comments another read, you missed a lot.

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Rhi-ot. to gvc 2012/02/15 03:50:27

oh, my apologies I went back and read it, my mistake. sometimes I read things rather quickly sometimes when I'm bored of it... as you can see our argument has been going on for days and I've been getting rather tired of commenting back and forth on this.

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