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Would you feel humiliated if people from another country came to yours to help with those living in poverty or to teach economics, science and such?

Yosyp 2012/05/26 13:28:00
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We have it here, the peace corp, people from UK, Japan variety of nations. volunteer, I don't have a problem with it myself but some of my fellow citizens do, they think its humiliating
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  • jlolli 2012/05/29 12:41:40 (edited)
    None of the above
    jlolli
    +1
    Yosyp, you have to define : "Living in Poverty"... Many of who we label as 'living in poverty' in the U.S. would be living in the middle class in Europe and would be in the upper class for most of the third world nations.

    To quote a Heritage Foundation study: "For decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty,” but the bureau’s definition of poverty differs widely from that held by most Americans. In fact, other government surveys show that most of the persons whom the government defines as “in poverty” are not poor in any ordinary sense of the term. The overwhelming majority of the poor have air conditioning, cable TV, and a host of other modern amenities. They are well housed, have an adequate and reasonably steady supply of food, and have met their other basic needs, including medical care. Some poor Americans do experience significant hardships, including temporary food shortages or inadequate housing, but these individuals are a minority within the overall poverty population. Poverty remains an issue of serious social concern, but accurate information about that problem is essential in crafting wise public policy. Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material d...
    Yosyp, you have to define : "Living in Poverty"... Many of who we label as 'living in poverty' in the U.S. would be living in the middle class in Europe and would be in the upper class for most of the third world nations.

    To quote a Heritage Foundation study: "For decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty,” but the bureau’s definition of poverty differs widely from that held by most Americans. In fact, other government surveys show that most of the persons whom the government defines as “in poverty” are not poor in any ordinary sense of the term. The overwhelming majority of the poor have air conditioning, cable TV, and a host of other modern amenities. They are well housed, have an adequate and reasonably steady supply of food, and have met their other basic needs, including medical care. Some poor Americans do experience significant hardships, including temporary food shortages or inadequate housing, but these individuals are a minority within the overall poverty population. Poverty remains an issue of serious social concern, but accurate information about that problem is essential in crafting wise public policy. Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem." http://www.heritage.org/resea...
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  • Yosyp jlolli 2012/05/29 13:09:52
    Yosyp
    I guess I would define it as , someone not knowing where next meal is coming from, living on the streets or homeless shelter, a shelter might be considered luxury accommodations for someone in the Sudan but I don't think that should be acceptable for a first world country.
  • jlolli Yosyp 2012/05/29 13:32:44
    jlolli
    I've personally offered to take a "homeless" person to a church funded shelter where they have food and showers and beds... only to have the person refuse and demand that I give them money instead. I've personally offered to pay someone to mow my yard when they stood at the hwy intersection and held a sign that said "Will Work for Food"

    I've sat in a diner where the pan-handler was 'working the crowd' outside, begging for enough to buy a sandwich. I offered to buy the guy lunch and he only wanted my $5.

    So there you go. The U.S. already has more than enough infrastructure, agencies, charities and facilities to help people. But the first requirement is that they must be willing to let people help them. Or at least be honest in their panhandling requests!
  • Yosyp jlolli 2012/05/29 13:39:51
    Yosyp
    yeah, I'm sure there are people as you described but there are also those who have become homeless because no jobs available.. I'm not debating your definition, this is just how I feel about it. If you feel there are enough agencies to help okay , I'm not in America so I'm not priviledged to goings on there. But my question was hypothetical of " how would you feel if this did happen in your country"
  • jlolli Yosyp 2012/05/31 02:38:08
    jlolli
    I would welcome the education and training from other places. I got my congressman to invite tthe former Chilean Finance Minister to come here and explaine their private ownership social security system. Dr. Jose Penera came here and help my congressman write new legilation that would have phased in that system for younger workers, but the leadership in congress never permitted the bill to come up for a vote. Chile has all but wiped out poverty with their system of passing wealth and investment down from generation to generation. But it is not in the best interest of an omnipotent government to allow poverty to be abolished. After all they have tens of thousands of gov't workers tha their job is to "help the poor" If there was no poor, we wouldn't need such a large and expensive government.
  • dragonfliez 2012/05/28 20:14:16
    I would welcome the help
    dragonfliez
    +1
    it would be about time, after all the help we've doled out to the world instead of helping our own!
  • wtw 2012/05/27 02:03:52
    I would welcome the help
    wtw
    +1
    Humility is a virtue that allows for real growth!
  • METALheadMom 2012/05/26 21:57:01
    I would welcome the help
    METALheadMom
    +2
    Know any country that WOULD??? We could use all the help we can get!!!
  • Elz 2012/05/26 20:34:23
    I would welcome the help
    Elz
    +1
    no i wouldn't at all.
  • Swan Eshdeh 2012/05/26 17:26:56
    I would be humiliated
    Swan Eshdeh
    just if i am and my country people are rich and mean ..that i would be shame for ...because i believe that in this time no one help for the sake of help ...it has to be something behind it ...so why i would allow to such people to use the poor in my country and convince them with their agenda .. but if every body is poor (and that will lead to the question why ???why all of them are poor since all human being have that same capability and the earth still produces ...maybe the corruption and the embezzlement ) ...then at that time ..the human basic need is most important than that .
  • Linnster 2012/05/26 15:49:46
    Undecided
    Linnster
    +2
    It would be humiliting to know that my country could not help itself to be prosperous and self-sufficient. To that end, any outside help would be welcome. I do understand, however, why some of your countrymen would feel humiliated. It's as though the outsiders are pointing out their deficiencies.
  • Yosyp Linnster 2012/05/26 15:57:32
    Yosyp
    +1
    yes, it could be looked at in that way as well.
  • Walaa 2012/05/26 14:49:19
    Undecided
    Walaa
    +2
    Where I live we bring people from outside and well they get paid of course to teach in private schools because well we have an English based curiculum so we need them, but its not like they volunteered, we pay well. Even with them coming to my country to teach sometimes I get annoyed because some do look down on us, like we are ignorant and in desperate need for them and I came to this conclution based on hints and questions that suggest that we are rich people without brains. So I can understand why they might think its humiliating. But at the end it doesnt matter whats important is that the people would benefit from something that'll help them on the long run.
  • Yosyp Walaa 2012/05/26 14:51:18
    Yosyp
    +1
    that's how I feel, if they can help they are welcome
  • Linnster Walaa 2012/05/26 15:44:28
    Linnster
    +1
    Americans don't know that much about individual Middle East countries and which ones have a higher standard of living and education. I suspect, because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the perception is that there is a very small percentage of people with money and education and everyone else is dirt poor and ignorant.
  • Walaa Linnster 2012/05/26 18:48:43
    Walaa
    +1
    The thing is, people here live really nice compared to other regions. We dont have any tax, free education, free medical care, and we have ZERO homeless people. Yet of course there are poor people but not like poverty, nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan. And its sometimes funny because I actually had this guy I met in London, an american I guess by his accent, he asked if I was familiar with cars and buildings and the guy actually spoke in really simple english just incase I didnt know english, people here speak english fluently... I never ever EVER thought people viewed us that way.. But I'm pretty sure there is a very good precentage of people like yourself that are aware.
  • Linnster Walaa 2012/05/26 18:54:55
    Linnster
    Americans sometimes have a tendency to judge everyone in a region by what they see on the news and what we see on the news is the rockpile that is Afghanistan. I'm sure that in many parts of the Middle East, English is not spoken.
  • Walaa Linnster 2012/05/26 18:58:51
    Walaa
    +1
    Not really, its widely known specifically in the middle east by Bahrainis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis, even Saudis. Iran Egypt Algerians and Morrocons, not so much..
  • Linnster Walaa 2012/05/26 19:02:03
    Linnster
    Would the countries you've listed first be more enlightened because they are not under strict religious governments? Big difference.
  • Walaa Linnster 2012/05/27 16:31:15
    Walaa
    +1
    The only country under strict religious government would be Saudi and some parts of egypt.
  • Linnster Walaa 2012/05/27 16:43:33
    Linnster
    +1
    That's what I mean. Those countries that are not under strict religious governments are more educated and enlightened.
  • JanHopkins 2012/05/26 14:08:15
    Undecided
    JanHopkins
    +2
    I'm not so sure that these helpers are all that effective. Africa is one place that has recieved this kind of help for a couple hundred years. They changed independant self sufficient tribes into something else entirely. Was this progress?
  • Yosyp JanHopkins 2012/05/26 14:13:44 (edited)
    Yosyp
    +1
    whats the saying, "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." i don't want to be given food or whatever year after year but if you have something to teach me , I'm all for it. learning English is a big thing here, it's the language of business in today's world, that's one example of what I feel is progress.
  • JanHopkins Yosyp 2012/05/27 05:24:20
    JanHopkins
    Then maybe you should study Chinese. I think it is the new language of business.
  • dragonf... JanHopkins 2012/05/28 20:16:29
    dragonfliez
    they never would have needed the help if we hadn't invaded their territory, cordoned off the vast lands they needed to roam and hunt and gather, steal their land, effectively put the natives on reservations, try to Westernize them, etc. for example, Ethiopia used to be a fertile paradise until people got ahold of it.
  • JanHopkins dragonf... 2012/05/29 00:14:47
    JanHopkins
    I'm afraid I have to agree with you on this. Now they are doing the same thing in South America. It is a terrible thing to do to people who are quite happy with their own culture.
  • sockpuppet 2012/05/26 13:48:27
    I would welcome the help
    sockpuppet
    +2
    It seems like a pretty condescending thing to do... unless it happened in the US.

    I would consider it partial repayment for all the money and manpower we've given to other countries over the years. The way we're heading now, we may need that help soon. Just be careful where you park.
  • Scott 2012/05/26 13:47:20
    I would welcome the help
    Scott
    +2
    It's not a sign of weakness to accept another's help.
  • Yosyp Scott 2012/05/26 13:50:05
    Yosyp
    That's how I feel about it, whats the alternative? People will go without, like throwing the baby out with the bath water, lol, although I'm not sure I really understand that saying.
  • JanHopkins Yosyp 2012/05/26 14:02:19
    JanHopkins
    +1
    In the old days the men were the first to use the bathtub of water, then the sons, then the mom and daughters and last of all the babies...then they threw out the filthy water.
  • Yosyp JanHopkins 2012/05/26 14:15:09
    Yosyp
    ohh, ok, thanks.:)
  • Wahvlvke 2012/05/26 13:39:38
    I would welcome the help
    Wahvlvke
    +1
    ... if they could teach logic to liberals.
  • Flamingolady 2012/05/26 13:32:49
    Undecided
    Flamingolady
    This is something that I honestly have never thought of. When people go in to help in another country, it usually is just that, to help. It saddens me to think that some are humiliated. Maybe we should rethink helping other countries.
  • Yosyp Flaming... 2012/05/26 13:38:45
    Yosyp
    Not everyone feels that way, but just wondering , if people from another land went to the USA to help in some poor areas, how would you feel about it?
  • Flaming... Yosyp 2012/05/28 17:38:17
    Flamingolady
    Hey, you and I know that is never going to happen. No other country EVER wants to help USA. After many calamities here, the help is offered, and never delivered. Once, though,China did send a bunch of sleeping bags to help the New York homeless as a snide insult when we offered aid after an earthquake. And how would I feel about people from, let's say, Canada, came to help, oh, wait, that did happen once, and guess what, we were more than grateful. The Russians actually helped bring supplies to a city in Alaska that was so iced in that their supplies were depleted, and we were so grateful, that we published stories everywhere about it.

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