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Women Overtake Men in IQ Tests for First Time in 100 Years: Are Women Smarter Than Men?

Heisenberg 2012/07/16 16:00:00
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Women have been as much as five points behind men since testing began a century ago, but that gap has been narrowing in recent times.


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  • Nimitz 2012/07/15 22:53:01
    Yes
    Nimitz
    +25
    Women have been more intelligent than men for a hell of a lot longer than there's been a test around to prove it. Intelligence tests 'look' for traits which those who formulate them want to find. In times hence, nobody wanted to find any indication that women were smarter--just as they didn't want to find any indication that blacks or Jews might be smart back in the thirties.

    The best definition I ever heard for 'IQ' was that which an intelligence test was designed to measure. If you start out with a biased measure, you're gonna get biased results. Shocker!

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  • Nimitz saturda... 2012/07/16 06:14:12 (edited)
    Nimitz
    +7
    Maybe, but we have something lions, tigers and bears (Oh, my!) don't have. WE have the ability--or at least a superior ability--to develop new coping strategies.

    (I don't accept your implied definition of 'success,' incidentally. Many cultures have come and gone which were purportedly superior to our own in multiple respects. That they've gone testifies more to a failure to adapt or learn from past mistakes, not necessarily that they were inferior in every regard.)
  • saturda... Nimitz 2012/07/16 13:04:39
    saturdayschild
    +3
    Yes, we do have the ability to develop new coping strategies, but apparently men have a superior ability; otherwise, women would be in more leadership roles throughout history. It's only recently that we see more female leaders, and it's only because of our submitting to feminist pressure. Now, many governments artificially make more leadership roles, such as setting aside so many places for women. Most women, for example, aren't interested in being leaders; otherwise we'd have more female politicians, but we don't in spite of incredible encouragement for females and discouragement for males. Because of this pressure on role reversals, we have more female success than male success in being educated. This doesn't make women smarter; it just has given them tremendous advantage in many ways. Many of us are under the illusion that women have been deprived and men have suppressed them. Our societies have developed because of needs being met by the more capable-men. Now that our society is comfortable, many women want their cake and eat it too. Men have to step aside for the fat, female ego.

    I don't understand why so many men today find it good to consider males inferior to females. It has been inculcated into our minds never to stand up to a female, but I think it's time ...

    Yes, we do have the ability to develop new coping strategies, but apparently men have a superior ability; otherwise, women would be in more leadership roles throughout history. It's only recently that we see more female leaders, and it's only because of our submitting to feminist pressure. Now, many governments artificially make more leadership roles, such as setting aside so many places for women. Most women, for example, aren't interested in being leaders; otherwise we'd have more female politicians, but we don't in spite of incredible encouragement for females and discouragement for males. Because of this pressure on role reversals, we have more female success than male success in being educated. This doesn't make women smarter; it just has given them tremendous advantage in many ways. Many of us are under the illusion that women have been deprived and men have suppressed them. Our societies have developed because of needs being met by the more capable-men. Now that our society is comfortable, many women want their cake and eat it too. Men have to step aside for the fat, female ego.

    I don't understand why so many men today find it good to consider males inferior to females. It has been inculcated into our minds never to stand up to a female, but I think it's time we learn to respect them no more than what they respect us.

    BTW, what I mainly meant by success was influence. No matriarchal society has grown to be a major influence on the world. That may be changing now that men have set the situation, but it seems that our society is spinning out of control and falling apart.
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  • Nimitz saturda... 2012/07/16 19:30:37
    Nimitz
    +3
    Wow! Powerful argument! Not sure I agree with every point (duh :-)), but a lot of what you say has merit. Be aware, though, that my opinions aren't the product of social pressure or indoctrination. Frankly I never have given much of a damn what the crowd thinks. I base my opinions on my analysis of observable traits/phenomena. That is how I have arrived at my position here. If it resembles that of 'feminists,' oh, well.

    From a structural/functional perspective your argument is at its strongest. Whatever our attitudes about who is smarter/better, they clearly aren't working and could be limned by an objective observer as 'dumb' overall. I dunno how much of our collapse is due to our attitudes about gender, but we're definitely coming apart at the seams.
  • gnice123 Nimitz 2012/07/16 19:25:32 (edited)
    gnice123
    +2
    "I don't accept your implied definition of 'success,' incidentally. Many cultures have come and gone which were purportedly superior to our own in multiple respects. That they've gone testifies more to a failure to adapt or learn from past mistakes, not necessarily that they were inferior in every regard.)" Like you, I don't accept his definition of "success" but since there is no universal standard for "success" or "inferiority" the whole point of this thread becomes moot.

    Greg P.
  • Nimitz gnice123 2012/07/16 19:52:39
    Nimitz
    +1
    No thread in which I take the time to participate is ever moot--by nature AND definition. ROFL!
  • hazel Nimitz 2012/07/16 14:24:11
    hazel
    YES YOU DO
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 00:20:23
    Soundstorm
    +1
    So what are the names of the women who invented this online platform and the computer you're currently using?
  • Nimitz Soundstorm 2012/07/17 00:40:58
    Nimitz
    +3
    Michael Dell's wife and the founder of Sodahead's GF. :-D I get your point, but that there are those behind the scenes who don't get credit is no indication that the people who do get credit are smarter. The world is run by people who DO things, not by those who get the glory.
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 00:46:09
    Soundstorm
    +1
    There seems to be a lot of men behind Cher and Madonna who DO things without any of the glory.
  • Nimitz Soundstorm 2012/07/17 00:47:06
    Nimitz
    +1
    True. I don't argue that men aren't smart. I argue that women are smarter. :-)
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 00:55:02 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    +2
    I'll show you smarter!

    Rosie O Donnell
    Rosanne Barr

    Debbie Wasserman

    Oops! Patty Murray
  • Nimitz Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:04:11
    Nimitz
    +1
    That ain't smarter, that's uglier. :->
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:19:30
    Soundstorm
    +2
    Well, when you put it that way.....



    I never watched her show. Is she one of the smart ones?
  • *Mahoga... Nimitz 2012/07/17 03:29:50
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +2
    Yet he continues to ignore me and the two beautiful females I posted who are light years a head of him in intelligence.
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:00:44
    Soundstorm
    +1
    Not very convincingly.

    Stephen Hawkins
  • Nimitz Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:04:57
    Nimitz
    +2
    Look up 'Madam Curie.' :-)
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:15:40
  • *Mahoga... Nimitz 2012/07/17 00:46:39 (edited)
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +5
    http://www.sodahead.com/livin...

    He's assuming women didn't create great contributions to science, because he doesn't know any.
  • Nimitz *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 00:48:16
    Nimitz
    +1
    Well, I wasn't gonna assume that, but. . . :-)
  • Soundstorm *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 00:58:26
    Soundstorm
    Not my fault if they've made too few to notice.
  • *Mahoga... Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:00:02
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +3
    Again, ignorance is bliss; just admit you just don't know of any. If you did, you wouldn't have made such an asinine comment.
  • Nimitz *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 01:05:29
    Nimitz
    +3
    . . .AAAAND they're off!!
  • *Mahoga... Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:06:31
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +2
    lol :P
  • Soundstorm Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:17:36
    Soundstorm
    +1
    Who started this conversation?
  • Nimitz Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:21:02
    Nimitz
    I think me. I say I think 'cuz I'm a man. If I were a woman I'd KNOW. :-)
  • Soundstorm *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 01:17:08
    Soundstorm
    Not ignorance. Just unimpressed with the also rans.
  • *Mahoga... Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:25:06 (edited)
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +3
    Again; you don't know of any, so you assume that is the case because you lack knowledge.

    Here; I'll throw you a bone.

    http://video.whro.org/video/1...


    Arts.com is pleased to honor Katherine Johnson with the Arts.com Science Lifetime Achievement award for her creativity and pioneering work and accomplishments in space flight.

    The twentieth century was a time of minorities transcending traditional boundaries. There are many inspirational stories in this vein, but perhaps none as inspirational as the story of Katherine Johnson, a woman who transcended race and gender to become the first black woman to work as a research mathematician and physicist for NASA in 1953.

    A pioneer in the space industry, Johnson witnessed and played a critical role in some of the most historic moments of American space flight.Katherine Johnson was born in 1918, to a poor family in West Virginia. Her father was a farmer and worked extra jobs as a janitor and her mother was a teacher. Even though he quit school after the sixth grade, he considered education of paramount importance.

    He enrolled Katherine and her older siblings in a school 125 miles away from home since the local schools only offered classes to African Americans through the eighth grade. As an early math prodigy, she skipped through grades to...




















    Again; you don't know of any, so you assume that is the case because you lack knowledge.

    Here; I'll throw you a bone.

    http://video.whro.org/video/1...


    Arts.com is pleased to honor Katherine Johnson with the Arts.com Science Lifetime Achievement award for her creativity and pioneering work and accomplishments in space flight.

    The twentieth century was a time of minorities transcending traditional boundaries. There are many inspirational stories in this vein, but perhaps none as inspirational as the story of Katherine Johnson, a woman who transcended race and gender to become the first black woman to work as a research mathematician and physicist for NASA in 1953.

    A pioneer in the space industry, Johnson witnessed and played a critical role in some of the most historic moments of American space flight.Katherine Johnson was born in 1918, to a poor family in West Virginia. Her father was a farmer and worked extra jobs as a janitor and her mother was a teacher. Even though he quit school after the sixth grade, he considered education of paramount importance.

    He enrolled Katherine and her older siblings in a school 125 miles away from home since the local schools only offered classes to African Americans through the eighth grade. As an early math prodigy, she skipped through grades to graduate from high school at age 14.

    She earned a full scholarship that included tuition, room and board and graduated at age 18 summa cum laude, with a Bachelor of Science degree in French and mathematics from West Virginia State College. Following in her mother’s footsteps, Katherine’s first job was an elementary school teacher. She taught in rural Virginia and rural West Virginia schools.

    In June 1953, Katherine Johnson was contracted to work as a research mathematician at Langley Research Center with the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), the agency that preceded National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), in the “mathematics pool”. This group read the data from black boxes of planes and carried out other precise mathematical tasks. One day she was temporarily assigned to the all male flight research team.

    Opportunities for African Americans and women were limited at the time. Even though the racial and gender barriers were there, Katherine says she ignored them. Katherine was assertive in meetings and her expert knowledge of analytic geometry won her allies with her male bosses and her colleagues. She would later join the research team on a permanent basis.

    A gifted mathematician, Katherine Johnson joined the tracking team for manned and unmanned missions and used math and physics to calculate complex spacecraft trajectories, navigation and the orbits or spacecraft. Any error in calculations would cause astronauts to possibly not return from space.Katherine Johnson was a member of NASA’s historic 1961 team which calculated the flight paths of the first manned space flight in 1961 by astronaut Alan Shepard, the first manned orbit of Earth in 1962 by John Glenn, and the landing of the first man to walk on the moon by Neil Armstrong in 1969.

    The 3-man crew aboard the flight that landed on the moon, consisted of Neil A. Armstrong, commander; Michael Collins, Command Module pilot; and Edwin E. Aldrin Jr., Lunar Module pilot.“The early trajectory was a parabola, and it was easy to predict where it would be at any point,” Johnson says. “Early on, when they said they wanted the capsule to come down a certain place, they were trying to compute when it should start. I said, ‘Let me do it. You tell me when you want it and where you want it to land, and I’ll do it backwards and tell you when to take off.’ That was my forte.”

    NASA would still call on her to verify the calculations even though NASA began using computers for the first time in 1962 to calculate John Glenn’s orbit around Earth.Katherine developed the first emergency navigation systems for astronauts by star-mapping. She also helped develop better navigational procedures for the Apollo missions by analyzing data from tracking stations around the world.

    As an integral member of the team she helped write the first textbook on space. In total she co-authored 26 scientific papers, also working on the space shuttle program and on plans for a mission to Mars.Katherine’s worked at Langley between 1953 and 1986. “I found what I was looking for at Langley,” she says. “This was what a research mathematician did. I went to work every day for 33 years happy. Never did I get up and say I don’t want to go to work.” Katherine retired from NASA in 1986.

    For her pioneering work in the field of navigational problems and space flight, she received numerous awards from NASA in 1971, 1980 and 1985 including the Group Achievement Award presented to NASA’s lunar space craft and operations team. Other awards include Mathematician of the Year from the National Technical Association in 1997 and an honorary doctorate of law from Farmingdale State University of New York in 1998.

    The barriers to entry in engineering have always been very high for minorities. In fact, 1973 was the first time a woman received a PhD in Aeronautical Engineering. Being a black woman entering into the male dominated field in 1953 was a monumental accomplishment and spoke volumes of her self confidence and determination, not to mention her skill.

    Engineering schools are now routinely graduating many more women and in some cases more than forty percent. This is a huge change which owes its shift to pioneers like Katherine Johnson.
    http://www.arts.com/awards/ka... owes shift pioneers katherine johnson httpwww arts comawardskatherinejohnson php nbsp
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  • *Mahoga... Soundstorm 2012/07/17 00:45:39
  • Soundstorm *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 00:56:49
    Soundstorm
    Where would they be without man's science?
  • *Mahoga... Soundstorm 2012/07/17 01:02:04
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +5
    Here we go again lol; where do you think the origin of different avenue's of Science come from? If you believe it is collectively from one group or sex, then you aren't bright.
  • Nimitz *Mahoga... 2012/07/17 01:21:53
    Nimitz
    +2
    BAM, BAM, BAM!
  • *Mahoga... Nimitz 2012/07/17 01:27:25
  • hazel saturda... 2012/07/16 14:23:35
    hazel
    +1
    Men are bigger and have bigger fists and more testerone simple as that
  • Nimitz hazel 2012/07/17 00:50:22
    Nimitz
    +2
    Not quite. Men use their brawn to achieve an artificial condition of dominance. Not because they're smarter, but because they don't like being dominated. :-)
  • RyokuSonic Nimitz 2012/07/17 17:13:56
    RyokuSonic
    +1
    I see you spit out this word intelligence like it's some kind of machine gun. Please, define intelligence in what.
  • saturda... Nimitz 2012/07/17 19:48:08
    saturdayschild
    +1
    You have a habit of stereotyping the genders.
  • Nimitz saturda... 2012/07/18 02:46:37
    Nimitz
    +1
    Why yes. Yes I do! :-)
  • saturda... hazel 2012/07/17 19:47:34
    saturdayschild
    It's typical of females to use convoluted logic. Depending on the argument, we are stronger and bigger; however, if a female feels looks at that as being inferior, we dare not say that females are the weaker sex.
  • Inquisi... saturda... 2012/07/19 01:56:04
    Inquisitve Kat
    +1
    Show me some actual evidence that it's 'typical' for females to use convoluted logic... I see just as many men so do.
  • saturda... Inquisi... 2012/07/21 23:50:26
    saturdayschild
    Men certainly do use convoluted logic, but women use it much more often. I remember, of all things, a logic class I took in college. Most of the males found it very easy, and the females I talked to were often confused.

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