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Will the Religious Reich ever reach the Age of Reason?

bob 2012/06/26 17:57:26
The Religious Reich will never reach the Age of Reason
One day the Religious Reich will reach the Age of Reason
Deism versus the Religious Reich is a battle between those who holds that reason and observation of the natural universe, without the need for organized religion
The Religious Reich believes in the supernatural prophecy & miracle; demons and angles….
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I reject of all religions based on books that claim to contain the revealed word of God; Including all religious dogma and demagogy; I believe that miracles, prophecies and religious "mysteries" are falsehoods. God exists, created and governs the universe or is the universe. God gave all life the ability to reason. The universe is full of living planets like ours.

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  • P. Sturm 2012/07/03 12:02:04
    The Religious Reich will never reach the Age of Reason
    P. Sturm
    Not a chance. It's not about faith for church leaders, it's power over others.
  • martin28 2012/06/27 20:58:48
    None of the above
    martin28
    If you truly believe there is a G-D it would make logical sense that he would reveal himself to mankind. Religion is a term humans use to define a set of belief patterns. G-D never revealed a religion to any man because G-D isn't about giving a religion but I digress because I know people like yourself believe you know everything and anything contrary to that makes the person a nut.
  • Posha King martin28 2012/06/28 17:59:07
    Posha King
    I have never felt that beliefs contrary to my own make anyone a nut. And I know some nutty people. I do feel that you are a study in contradiction. You seem to not give credence to the idea of a god, but won't spell out His name as if the superstition means something to you. Your comment was very reasonable and honest. I just wonder why you "digressed" at the end and made the snide comment about believers judging non-believers? Why not keep it non-personal? I will grant you that in any religion, there are those who feel as you stated, but don't lump ALL believers in all religions with those few who are not the best representation of the rest of us. Give us a chance...not to convert you, but to earn your respect? You might be surprised.
  • Jen 2012/06/27 14:07:48 (edited)
    None of the above
    Jen
    +1
    Of course you reject religion, Bob, and of course you use hostile vocabulary such as "reich" to describe it.

    That's how you handle religious and moral concepts that you just don't want to hear. That's how you handle religious and moral concepts that run counter to your permissive, secular views and lifestyle. You demonize and demean them.

    I would expect no less from an anti-religious bigot like you, Bob. Or should I say, no more.
  • bob Jen 2012/06/27 14:14:07
    bob
    +1
    First I reject man defined god, not spritual beliefs. As far as moral concepts, moral concepts are defined by man and I've defined my own. Religion is nothing more than an nonprovable fairy tale and differs from being a spirual being. So are you in the U.S. or Korea?
  • Posha King bob 2012/06/28 18:02:35
    Posha King
    Bob, I have never explored the idea of non-religion paired with spirituality. Can you tell me how a person is spiritual without a belief in God? (or allah, yaweh, etc.) I am not saying they aren't, I'm trying to understand how one defines spirituality without deity.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/06/27 04:42:02
    The Religious Reich will never reach the Age of Reason
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    They're stuck in a kind of psychological Peter Pan time warp
  • Jen jubil8 ... 2012/06/27 14:12:12 (edited)
    Jen
    Really? Let's examine this idea of "reason" within the context of abortion.

    It's entirely unreasonable to assume that an unborn child is part of the mother's body. That's because pregnant women do not have two hearts, two brains, two blood types, or two sets of DNA.

    And yet, this is the unreasonable assumption that the so-called Champion of Reason Secularists generally support.

    Meanwhile, it's generally us "religious folks" who adopt the view -- which is entirely supported by reason and science -- that an unborn child is not part of the mother's body, but is rather an entirely separate body. An entirely separate human being.

    The so-called "reasonable" secularists, generally, are the ones trying to sell us on the idea that pregnant women have two hearts and two sets of DNA.

    You can't seriously position yourselves as the "champions of reason" when your side, with few exceptions, adopts such an irrational and unscientific view.
  • jubil8 ... Jen 2012/06/27 22:33:24
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    Religious wingnuts don't reason, they react, which is emotional.

    I've never seen anyone say that a pregnant woman has 2 hearts, etc. So, I reject your primary premise, which means that the rest of your "argument" doesn't get off the ground.

    Furthermore, I reject the ground you choose to base your argument on. The question, as posed, has NOTHING to do with abortions, so you've set up a straw man, and you can dance with it all by yourself.
  • JwonGalt 2012/06/27 00:20:29
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    JwonGalt
    +1
    One day, the religious reich will not exist
  • DuncanONeil 2012/06/26 23:48:15
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    DuncanONeil
    All ready have!
  • bob DuncanO... 2012/06/27 14:15:19
    bob
    really, so they have accepted evolution, scientific method.....
  • DuncanO... bob 2012/06/30 04:22:15
    DuncanONeil
    Yep! In fact most of the first effective scientists were members of religious orders.
  • Posha King 2012/06/26 21:37:16
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    Posha King
    My faith was never "given" to me or handed down. I grew up with agnostics and sought my own spiritual way from the age of 8. My faith is based on prayer between me and God. I believe He created life on many other planets, He is a god of reason and that the laws of the universe apply to Him as they do to us. I simply think he knows more about the universe and knows how to use those laws. Much like going back to pioneer days with an ipad or other gadget we now know is common. The people of that day would see us as magicians or gods. It's our understanding of scientific principles that makes these miracles happen. I believe we will find out the same can be said of God's miracles. I'm not saying he isn't powerful. I'm just saying his power comes from natural laws that he wields better than we can right now. I am a member of an organized religion, but only because I was lead there through prayer. I was 24 before joining my first church (and my only one). I went to many before, but this one I was told was to be my home, so I followed His instructions. I don't know about anyone else. I only know about me. I won't say organized religion doesn't do good in helping people FIND God. I also won't say that it's never been the cause of senseless war and destruction. I feel it's less about t...
    My faith was never "given" to me or handed down. I grew up with agnostics and sought my own spiritual way from the age of 8. My faith is based on prayer between me and God. I believe He created life on many other planets, He is a god of reason and that the laws of the universe apply to Him as they do to us. I simply think he knows more about the universe and knows how to use those laws. Much like going back to pioneer days with an ipad or other gadget we now know is common. The people of that day would see us as magicians or gods. It's our understanding of scientific principles that makes these miracles happen. I believe we will find out the same can be said of God's miracles. I'm not saying he isn't powerful. I'm just saying his power comes from natural laws that he wields better than we can right now. I am a member of an organized religion, but only because I was lead there through prayer. I was 24 before joining my first church (and my only one). I went to many before, but this one I was told was to be my home, so I followed His instructions. I don't know about anyone else. I only know about me. I won't say organized religion doesn't do good in helping people FIND God. I also won't say that it's never been the cause of senseless war and destruction. I feel it's less about the institution and more about the individual. If your relationship is personal, no one can lead you astray, because you TRUST BUT VERIFY. Even with God. Question the very existence of God. It's revealing. :)
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  • Mike 2012/06/26 21:20:36
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    Mike
    +1
    In order to reason and come to conclusion you have to have all the facts. There not all in yet........
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/26 20:18:16
    The Religious Reich will never reach the Age of Reason
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    Short answer....?

    NO
  • frank 2012/06/26 19:49:12
    None of the above
    frank
    Its just another dumb question from Bob. Sort of sounds like he must need the points.
  • TuringsChild 2012/06/26 19:29:41
    All of the above
    TuringsChild
    +1
    What a mixed bag! I suppose the correct answer would be 'SOME of the above, as two responses are mutually exclusive. The Religious Reich care little about the God who has taken great pains to reveal Himself to us. They should not be confused with real Christians who have a relationship with God that is beyond the understanding of disbelievers. And Deists who dismiss miracles even when they occur cannot be reasoned with.
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/06/26 18:42:15
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    Kiosk Kid
    Most of them have the logic to understand that Marxism doesn't work!
  • bob Kiosk Kid 2012/06/26 19:34:25
    bob
    +1
    So what's the price of Tea in China to you fool
  • Kiosk Kid bob 2012/06/26 22:34:29
    Kiosk Kid
    I don't know it is your poll. I only respond to the poll question.

    But let me provide you with a fact. Thursday, the Supreme Court is going to tell us if Obama's signature legislation gets tossed in the garbage dump. You could also describe it as; gets flushed down the toilet.

    Pelosi said; you will find out what’s in it after it has passed. The American people didn’t like it and we will have to see on Thursday what the Court thinks.
  • michael 2012/06/26 18:31:26
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    michael
    +2
    It is funny , that the writer uses that old phrase " Age of Reason" to decribe this age we live in today becuase implied in that phrase is the idea that people are able to acheive perfection and enlightment on their own without any kind of state support at all. Wow-this write sounds so Repubulican!
  • bob michael 2012/06/27 14:17:48
    bob
    ouch! The Age of Reason was defined by liberals. Please read history.... that is if you read.
  • michael bob 2012/06/28 20:04:30
    michael
    Have you ever heard of Edmund Burke??? He wrote a book in 1790 called ... "Reflections on the Revolution in France " which he correctly viewed as movement NOT towards a representative, constitutional democracy but rather as a violent rebellion against tradition and proper authority as well as an experiment disconnected from the complex realities of human society and correctly would end in disaster. Also I should point out to you that Great LIBERAL Thomas Jefferson ...that great talker of Freedom and democray OWNED SLAVES. But liberals like you tend ignore realities and complexities of human life by just focusing on symbols and pretty words of whatever is today's political correctness.
    Personally I would rather stand with thinkers like Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas More, René Descartes ( Cogito ergo sum -- I think, therefore I am) and Edmund Burke. than Thomas Jefferson
  • 3003573 2012/06/26 18:05:47 (edited)
  • Leo 2012/06/26 17:59:03
    The Religious Reich will never reach the Age of Reason
    Leo
    +2
    Contradiction in terms

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