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Why won't we admit that it's FAT that kills any kind of medical system?

flaca BN-0 2012/09/17 22:07:20
Sure, we spend twice as much as those who have universal healthcare (but cover everyone) but even universal h/c is under financial stress. Just like in the US, the biggest threat to h/c coverage is FAT.

Americans are uber-fat, europeans are getting fat. Both systems won't work . FAT causes higher h/c costs no matter which system you use.

It's not the systems that don't work: it's the increasing FATness of people. Love your pizza and KFC? you're gonna pay for it.

Stop blaming politicians, and get on the scales.
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  • The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk 2012/09/17 22:29:41
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    +3
    I Personally have been shown the direct correlation between my weight and health Status. When I was a kid, I could eat what ever I wanted and stay Lanky, and I never got sick. Over the last decade I've bounced up and down on the scales, and anytime I was more than 25 lbs. overweight, I'd end up in and out of doctor offices. My Blood Pressure, Cholesterol, etc. When my weight is at a healthy rate, my checkup is essentially a waste of time. We know Obesity is a problem in this country, We know we should do something about it. But When Michele Obama dared to try something she was blasted as a freedom hating heathen.

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  • VERYwiseguy 2012/09/18 00:23:42
    VERYwiseguy
    +2
    SO TRUE. All my relatives died decades too soon from obesity related health problems.It's the number one cause related to all the top major killer of people here.
  • Huki68 2012/09/17 23:22:26 (edited)
    Huki68
    +2
    no flaca is not the fat here in USA who is killing the people more is stress than Fat
  • VERYwis... Huki68 2012/09/18 00:24:22
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    Fat creates stress. ;)
  • Huki68 VERYwis... 2012/09/18 00:29:50 (edited)
    Huki68
    +1
    Not for me, I don't care about fatness, That is one thing I will never worry about... but
    true to that , many people stress out a lot because of it
  • VERYwis... Huki68 2012/09/18 00:37:49
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    If you are fat idk you should care about it all we really have is ourselves. ;)
  • Huki68 VERYwis... 2012/09/18 00:40:14
    Huki68
    +1
    you are right
  • VERYwis... Huki68 2012/09/18 00:44:10
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    WOW didn't expect that reply.Thank You :)
  • Huki68 VERYwis... 2012/09/18 00:46:13
    Huki68
    +1
    You are right, what can I say, it's the truth and your welcome
  • VERYwis... Huki68 2012/09/18 00:52:57
    VERYwiseguy
    +2
    It's so rare to hear a sodahead say to me you are right.that's all. :)
  • Huki68 VERYwis... 2012/09/18 16:05:48
    Huki68
    +1
    Well I am glad that i am the first to let you know lol, how is your day going?
  • VERYwis... Huki68 2012/09/18 17:00:35
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    It's all in my head,literally. ;) acceptance quote
  • Huki68 VERYwis... 2012/09/18 17:36:31
  • FindingHeartInThisCrazy World 2012/09/17 23:15:19
    FindingHeartInThisCrazy World
    +1
    and...insurance makes health care expensive. greed and inefficiency makes health care expensive. too many people (supply/demand) makes healthcare expensive. keeping people living longer makes healthcare expensive.
  • flaca BN-0 Finding... 2012/09/18 01:04:55
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    it does if it's a profit-driven enterprise. In universal healthcare there is no profit.
  • Finding... flaca BN-0 2012/09/18 01:33:58
    FindingHeartInThisCrazy World
    +1
    insurance, along with hospitals/medical facilities, banks and utilities should not be for profit. local communities should own and administer these services to their residents.
  • flaca BN-0 Finding... 2012/09/18 02:31:36
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    I agree, but most Americans think h/c should be a for-profit industry as they pay hundreds of dollars every month to finance those profits.
  • Finding... flaca BN-0 2012/09/18 02:53:57
    FindingHeartInThisCrazy World
    people are afraid to be without insurance.
  • ShelaKay0523 2012/09/17 23:14:57
    ShelaKay0523
    +1
    I believe in a system that pays for basic, preventative healthcare, and perhaps even for health issues that are outside of a person's realm of control (like cancer for people who have an overall healthy lifestyle). I know a lot of people think their personal habits should be private, but if you're going to get your healthcare covered for free I think the people paying for it deserve to know, so they can choose not to cover it if the situation calls for it. Things like lung cancer for smokers, heart disease for the overweight, and various other medical problems that would have been easily avoidable with healthier habits, shouldn't be covered by universal healthcare. I don't mind my tax dollars going towards universal healthcare, I just don't want my income to be taxed excessively to cover all of the people with obvious and major bad habits that most definitely cause their health issues, like poor diet, lack of exercise (because many will argue that obesity can be genetic, and I honestly don't wan't to get into whether that's true or not), drug use, etc. I also think that anyone working in dangerous conditions should have health issues caused by said dangerous conditions covered by their employers (for example, paying for lung cancer caused by working around harmful fumes).
  • flaca BN-0 ShelaKa... 2012/09/18 01:06:03
    flaca BN-0
    Well the average h/c plan is like $300=$400 a month in the US. In europe you don't pay that much in additional taxes per month.
  • ShelaKa... flaca BN-0 2012/09/18 03:30:29
    ShelaKay0523
    I've heard taxes can be half of one's income in countries with socialized medicine. Plus, obesity due to poor diet is a much greater issue in the U.S. than anywhere else. Then again, this information does come from the internet, so who knows how reliable it is.
  • La 2012/09/17 22:36:43
    La
    +2
    Mhmm you might have a point there. The more unhealthy the population, the more expensive healthcare is to provide.
  • The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk 2012/09/17 22:29:41
    The Elitist Libtard SodaJerk
    +3
    I Personally have been shown the direct correlation between my weight and health Status. When I was a kid, I could eat what ever I wanted and stay Lanky, and I never got sick. Over the last decade I've bounced up and down on the scales, and anytime I was more than 25 lbs. overweight, I'd end up in and out of doctor offices. My Blood Pressure, Cholesterol, etc. When my weight is at a healthy rate, my checkup is essentially a waste of time. We know Obesity is a problem in this country, We know we should do something about it. But When Michele Obama dared to try something she was blasted as a freedom hating heathen.
  • Chukroast 2012/09/17 22:23:37
    Chukroast
    +1
    All this is true. Even computers have given up FAT as hard drives grew out of the megabyte range into the gigabyte range. Now they are all NTFS . . . that's no-FAT.
  • NarcolepticGoat 2012/09/17 22:19:16
    NarcolepticGoat
    +1
    Because we have just spent a few decades battling the cigarettes that WERE the problem. It is a list, you know. When fat is under control it will be something else.
  • flaca BN-0 Narcole... 2012/09/17 22:19:52
    flaca BN-0
    +3
    I think alcohol comes next.
  • Narcole... flaca BN-0 2012/09/17 22:23:14
    NarcolepticGoat
    +1
    OH, yes! and other drugs! Caffeine...
  • VERYwis... Narcole... 2012/09/18 00:34:41
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    Caffeine isn't harmful except in massive doses.They actually found out recently it does have health benefits,now I'm not talking about some of the energy drinks out there.I once went to get coffee and picked up a small tub thinking it was mocca flavoring for coffee it was extra caffeine I did put it in and I've done no-doze,uppers,speed,coke in my youth.And drink several cups of coffee daily(can't you tell? ) lol And I drank half and my head literally buzzed with the tolerance I HAVE. I threw it out. That is the massive amount I know is unhealthy. :)
  • Narcole... VERYwis... 2012/09/18 00:54:36
    NarcolepticGoat
    HURRAY!
  • VERYwis... Narcole... 2012/09/18 01:11:57
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    Great reply and very informative.Though you may not think.
  • Narcole... VERYwis... 2012/09/18 01:23:54
    NarcolepticGoat
    +1
    oh, I meant about the coffee not being bad for one. (in moderate amounts)

    (Just to clarify)

    Juice of the Holy Bean!
  • VERYwis... Narcole... 2012/09/18 01:35:19
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    Yeah I know you're one of the sane ones on here. :)
  • VERYwis... flaca BN-0 2012/09/18 00:27:41
    VERYwiseguy
    Nope legal prescription meds more people OD and die from yearly than All illegal drugs Combined that includes alcohol.
  • Onyx 2012/09/17 22:12:49
    Onyx
    +3
    I agree, there doesn't seem to be any personal responsability anymore. America is one of the only nations where poverty leads to obesity, and the people who are in poverty either don't have healthcare or are on Medicaid, so who foots the bill? Obamacare won't make that any better.
  • flaca BN-0 Onyx 2012/09/17 22:18:21
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    he can't and neither can Romney. We are a fat people. We just don't want to take it to the next level that our h/c is going to be exponentially more expensive because of it.
  • Onyx flaca BN-0 2012/09/17 22:23:48
    Onyx
    +1
    This is not the role of government, it goes back to my comment on taking personal responsibility.
  • VERYwis... flaca BN-0 2012/09/18 00:35:46
    VERYwiseguy
    I wonder how many fatties are in China doing our old jobs? lol

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