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Why the "Virgin Birth" is a fable?

Mel 2012/07/01 20:18:41
Truth be told, how many "virgin" births are there in history?
There are at least a few dozen instances of virgin births in history that I'm aware of, mostly of religious figures.

Eighteen hundred years before Christ, we find carved on one of the walls of the great temple of Luxor a picture of the annunciation, conception and birth of King Amunothph III, an almost exact copy of the annunciation, conception and birth of the Christian God.

Roman/Greek: Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, Apollo

In Egypt, virgin mother Isis begat Horus

In Phrygia, Attis was born of the virgin Nama.

A nymph bathing in a river in China is touched by a lotus plant, and the divine Fohi is born.

In Siam, a wandering sunbeam caresses a girl in her teens, and the great and wonderful deliverer, Codom, is born.

In the life of Buddha we read that he descended on his mother Maya, "in likeness as the heavenly queen, and entered her womb," and was born from her right side, to save the world."

In Greece, the young god Apollo visits a fair maid of Athens, and a Plato is ushered into the world.

From Greece comes the virgin birth of Adonis, who was resurrected after being killed by a wild boar. Adonis was revered by the Phoenicians as a dying-and-rising god, and Athenians held Adonia, a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer.

From the Americas comes a remarkable story of the god-man Quetzalcoatl told by the Aztecs and Mayans. Not only did he have a virgin birth, but he was associated with the planet Venus, the morning star, as was Jesus. In addition, the religion built around him used the cross as a symbolic representation. Like the myths around Jesus, Quetzalcoatl said he would return to claim his earthly kingdom.

Mithra was a Persian god who was also a virgin birth, but was more than just a tribal god. Mithra was born in a cave and had twelve companions. Mithra's birthday was also on December 25th. Both religions celebrate the resurrection at Easter. Much of what we know about Mithracism today came from the Christians. The prophet Zoroaster was also born of a virgin.

Perseus and Hercules all experienced virgin births after being fathered by yet other gods. Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by "stars", attended by 'wise men', involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.

A Roman savior Quirrnus was born of a virgin.

In Tibet, Indra was born of a virgin. He ascended into heaven after death.

In India, the god Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki.

Virgin births were claimed for many Egyptian pharaohs, Greek emperors and for Alexander the Great of Greece.

For a discussion of several aspects of the Christian virgin-birth story, including speculation on origins.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/virgin…

Not only the idea of a virgin mother, but all the other miraculous events, such as the stable cradle, the guiding star, the massacre of the children, the flight to Egypt, and the resurrection and bodily ascension toward the clouds, have not only been borrowed, but are even scarcely altered in the New Testament story of Jesus.

http://www.sonn.com/~perly/glk/files/Mai…
Comparisons of the story of Jesus Christ to stories of other religious figures

http://www.church-of-chaos.de/literature…
http://www.sonn.com/~perly/glk/files/Uns…
http://www.uc.summit.nj.uua.org/Sermons/…
http://www.crosscircle.com/CH_2m.htm

http://members.aol.com/tjzee/iss174.htm
A discussion of the virgin-birth story from a modern perspective

Apparently virgin births were quite common up until the advancement of medicine and science. How would you explain it??
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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/07/01 20:43:41
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +4

    Techically speaking Ripley from Aliens did a Virgin birth Geee a woman giving birth to a monster that Sucks the life out of the human Race sounds familier anyone
    geee woman birth monster sucks life human race sounds familier
    There are over 500 Virgin birth God Stories from Religious history
    Here are a FEW
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
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  • Mel Seiryuu 2012/07/02 06:18:19
    Mel
    +1
    Not a fable??? You sure. OK so let's see you present something. I did. Your turn
  • BlondeA... Mel 2012/07/02 06:21:50
    BlondeAphrodite
    +3
    i think the person was saying its no longer impossible for a virgin to get pregnant without the help of a man because of science
  • classic BlondeA... 2012/07/02 15:50:34
    classic
    There is no such thing as supernatural sex........
  • Seiryuu classic 2012/07/02 16:13:22
    Seiryuu
    No one ever said that. -_-
  • classic Seiryuu 2012/07/02 16:16:23 (edited)
    classic
    +1
    You implied that the Fable of supernatural birth was dispelled with
    IVF.. which is a wrong statement...

    Well, it's not a fable anymore, thanks to IVF. (your words) Virgin birth is still a fable......
  • Seiryuu classic 2012/07/02 17:38:42
    Seiryuu
    +1
    When I'm talking about a virgin birth, I literally mean a virgin birth without any of the supernatural connotations. I never said supernatural.
  • Seiryuu Mel 2012/07/02 16:13:56
    Seiryuu
    +1
    Assuming a virgin female is defined by lack of sexual activity, it is theoretically possible to extract an egg while she is ovulating, fertilize it in a petri dish, and put it back in her without putting a meat wand up her flower.
  • Mel Seiryuu 2012/07/02 16:28:45
    Mel
    +1
    That is not sex that's science.
  • Seiryuu Mel 2012/07/02 17:39:22
    Seiryuu
    Exactly. Using this method women can give birth without ever needing to have sex.
  • classic Seiryuu 2012/07/02 15:49:50
    classic
    +1
    With IVF sperm is still joined with the Egg.. Supernatural birth is not a joing of sperm with an egg.. Invetro, is just an instrument replaceing the penis of a man and injecting sperm to the egg.....It can be done in a Petri dish and then implanted in the intended woman... Still an invasion of the womans body by a foriegn object.....LOL
  • Seiryuu classic 2012/07/02 16:14:23
    Seiryuu
    +1
    I never said it was a supernatural birth. We're talking about virgin births here, remember? -_-
  • classic Seiryuu 2012/07/02 16:18:23
    classic
    +1
    When the female body is penetrated , she is no longer a virgin... IVF penetrates the female body.. Period....Not haveing sex does not mean VIRGIN
  • Seiryuu classic 2012/07/02 17:41:57
    Seiryuu
    Not necessarily. It depends on which definition of virgin you're using, but a generally used one is "a person who has not engaged in sexual intercourse." So unless needle porn becomes a thing, I don't find that to be sexual intercourse.
  • P. Sturm 2012/07/02 03:51:21
    P. Sturm
    +1
    Great stuff.
  • BlondeAphrodite 2012/07/02 03:36:32
    BlondeAphrodite
    +1
    i love this
  • pdarkow 2012/07/02 03:33:19
    pdarkow
    +2
    That is because people fail to realize religion was created to control feable minded peasants with the use of fear otherwise known as damnation to hell for eternity, and great stories of fear about the end of the world. They also use isolation with be in the world but not of the world. Promise riches beyond belief build your treasures in "heaven" which falls under reward. Provide stories of miraculous beyond belief events that can't be proven or disproven to confirm beliefs and punishment of god will take away blessings if you don't. Same techniques used in brainwashing.
  • Vitalani pdarkow 2012/07/02 04:05:19
    Vitalani
    +1
    Religion pre-dates any "peasants" you speak of. It originally was based on fertility.
  • pdarkow Vitalani 2012/07/02 04:09:18
    pdarkow
    +1
    We know religion pre-dates it how? I do not mean this as a smarta** question Maybe you can enlighten me and I may learn from it.
  • Vitalani pdarkow 2012/07/02 04:23:29 (edited)
    Vitalani
    +1
    Google my friend. Religion has been around since we were sleeping in caves.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
  • pdarkow Vitalani 2012/07/02 04:59:21
    pdarkow
    +1
    Thank You I'll check it out
  • Mel Vitalani 2012/07/02 06:19:42
    Mel
    +3
    Wonderful article
  • jimrthy... Vitalani 2012/07/02 19:58:07
    jimrthy BN-0
    It kind-of/sort-of depends on what you mean by "religion".

    I think you may be taking too short a view of things.

    I suspect that "religion" was originally a question of "science." "Why does the world do the things it does?"

    "Because the Gods make it look crazy" seems like the easy, obvious answer, even if it seems overly simplistic to us now. But it's as good an answer as any for things like floods, pestilence, and famine. Even today...do we *really* have any better answers?

    Maybe it was originally based on fertility. All we really have is speculation and cave carvings.
  • Vitalani jimrthy... 2012/07/02 21:41:07
    Vitalani
    It doesn't depend because what I mean by "religion" is what religion is defined as. When I say religion, that's what I mean.
    "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods."
  • jimrthy... Vitalani 2012/07/24 02:30:09
    jimrthy BN-0
    It's really a waste of time/energy to break out dictionary definitions like that. Especially when we're using a language as fluid and poorly defined as English.

    I can only think of one so-called atheist I've run across who hasn't chosen to worship "government" where Christians use the word "God."
  • Buzzymuzzwelle 2012/07/02 03:25:28
    Buzzymuzzwelle
    Faith.Buzzy
  • beach bum 2012/07/01 22:18:52
    beach bum
    +1
    disagree
  • Mel beach bum 2012/07/01 22:47:39
    Mel
    +4
    prove your point
  • beach bum Mel 2012/07/03 06:46:20
    beach bum
    you asked a ? i gave you an answer
    why are you so concerned when i all ready answered you
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... beach bum 2012/07/01 23:44:43
  • Sister Jean 2012/07/01 21:35:12
    Sister Jean
    +1
    it's not
  • Mel Sister ... 2012/07/01 22:47:23
    Mel
    +4
    Do you have something to present that my question is wrong other than an answer? have anything I can read? Video perhaps?
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/07/01 20:43:41
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +4

    Techically speaking Ripley from Aliens did a Virgin birth Geee a woman giving birth to a monster that Sucks the life out of the human Race sounds familier anyone
    geee woman birth monster sucks life human race sounds familier
    There are over 500 Virgin birth God Stories from Religious history
    Here are a FEW
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
  • Mel ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/01 22:48:37
    Mel
    +3
    Wonderful and thanks. At least unlike the previous two you've actually posted something
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Mel 2012/07/02 02:59:59
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3
    people see only what they want to see
  • Mel 2012/07/01 20:19:14
    Mel
    +2
    Another faerie tale

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