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Why the "Virgin Birth" is a fable?

Mel 2012/07/01 20:18:41
Truth be told, how many "virgin" births are there in history?
There are at least a few dozen instances of virgin births in history that I'm aware of, mostly of religious figures.

Eighteen hundred years before Christ, we find carved on one of the walls of the great temple of Luxor a picture of the annunciation, conception and birth of King Amunothph III, an almost exact copy of the annunciation, conception and birth of the Christian God.

Roman/Greek: Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, Apollo

In Egypt, virgin mother Isis begat Horus

In Phrygia, Attis was born of the virgin Nama.

A nymph bathing in a river in China is touched by a lotus plant, and the divine Fohi is born.

In Siam, a wandering sunbeam caresses a girl in her teens, and the great and wonderful deliverer, Codom, is born.

In the life of Buddha we read that he descended on his mother Maya, "in likeness as the heavenly queen, and entered her womb," and was born from her right side, to save the world."

In Greece, the young god Apollo visits a fair maid of Athens, and a Plato is ushered into the world.

From Greece comes the virgin birth of Adonis, who was resurrected after being killed by a wild boar. Adonis was revered by the Phoenicians as a dying-and-rising god, and Athenians held Adonia, a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer.

From the Americas comes a remarkable story of the god-man Quetzalcoatl told by the Aztecs and Mayans. Not only did he have a virgin birth, but he was associated with the planet Venus, the morning star, as was Jesus. In addition, the religion built around him used the cross as a symbolic representation. Like the myths around Jesus, Quetzalcoatl said he would return to claim his earthly kingdom.

Mithra was a Persian god who was also a virgin birth, but was more than just a tribal god. Mithra was born in a cave and had twelve companions. Mithra's birthday was also on December 25th. Both religions celebrate the resurrection at Easter. Much of what we know about Mithracism today came from the Christians. The prophet Zoroaster was also born of a virgin.

Perseus and Hercules all experienced virgin births after being fathered by yet other gods. Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by "stars", attended by 'wise men', involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.

A Roman savior Quirrnus was born of a virgin.

In Tibet, Indra was born of a virgin. He ascended into heaven after death.

In India, the god Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki.

Virgin births were claimed for many Egyptian pharaohs, Greek emperors and for Alexander the Great of Greece.

For a discussion of several aspects of the Christian virgin-birth story, including speculation on origins.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/virgin…

Not only the idea of a virgin mother, but all the other miraculous events, such as the stable cradle, the guiding star, the massacre of the children, the flight to Egypt, and the resurrection and bodily ascension toward the clouds, have not only been borrowed, but are even scarcely altered in the New Testament story of Jesus.

http://www.sonn.com/~perly/glk/files/Mai…
Comparisons of the story of Jesus Christ to stories of other religious figures

http://www.church-of-chaos.de/literature…
http://www.sonn.com/~perly/glk/files/Uns…
http://www.uc.summit.nj.uua.org/Sermons/…
http://www.crosscircle.com/CH_2m.htm

http://members.aol.com/tjzee/iss174.htm
A discussion of the virgin-birth story from a modern perspective

Apparently virgin births were quite common up until the advancement of medicine and science. How would you explain it??
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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/07/01 20:43:41
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    Techically speaking Ripley from Aliens did a Virgin birth Geee a woman giving birth to a monster that Sucks the life out of the human Race sounds familier anyone
    geee woman birth monster sucks life human race sounds familier
    There are over 500 Virgin birth God Stories from Religious history
    Here are a FEW
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history
    race sounds familier 500 virgin birth god stories religious history

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  • Wayne TH G 333 2012/07/12 01:39:30 (edited)
    Wayne TH G 333
    +1
    Nice article!
  • justnotsaying (: 2012/07/04 18:34:45
    justnotsaying (:
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    I can't believe people actually debate this. The real story was...a woman didn't want her boyfriend/husband knowing she had cheated, but then she ended up pregnant, and had to come up with some believable story. I bet she had no idea her story would lead to all of this.
  • misterz 2012/07/03 16:32:04
  • fudge35 2012/07/02 22:08:12
    fudge35
    +1
    I quit believing in the virgin birth, before I quit believing in the tooth fairy.
  • Mel fudge35 2012/07/03 00:54:50
    Mel
    +2
    at least with the tooth faerie you make a profit. *LOL*
  • ETpro 2012/07/02 21:08:19
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    Till evidence to the contrary emerges, I'll stick to the Null Hypothesis.
  • jimrthy BN-0 2012/07/02 20:00:49
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    When I first met my step-dad, he told me that one day I'd be able to appreciate the mystery of Jesus' virgin birth.

    He's a loon, and I seriously doubt he had a clue what he was talking about. He probably thought I didn't understand the basic facts of animal reproduction. Looking back now, I have to grin.

    Especially given the facts presented here.
  • goblue1968 2012/07/02 19:31:33
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    Thanks for clearing that one up for us, Mel.
    While you're at it, can you shed any light on talking snakes, a female created out of a male rib, and grandkids born into a family whose only children were two boys?
  • starlight 2012/07/02 18:13:19
    starlight
    i believe it can happen im prettty sure jesus wasnt the only baby born from a virgin
  • JimTheGeek 2012/07/02 18:11:31
    JimTheGeek
    +1
    Too much mead, wine or whatever was used at the time/place. Alcohol amnesia.
  • Anonymous Coward218 2012/07/02 17:09:25
    Anonymous Coward218
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    Excuse me...my cousin got knocked up just fooling around with her bf(husband now...for 25 years too!) it was proven by her intact hymen, and other changes of the area in question that she was in fact telling the truth...she was not penetrated, his swimmers were just either highly motivated, or Olympic caliber! If it happened once, it can happen again....and it probably DID before.

    Further more, my cousin almost died (genius obstetrician yanked her placenta out and ruptured uterine blood vessels) birthing that baby! BUT the clincher is: the baby was born with the cord around her neck twice, and she was a "blue baby" who was given last rites twice (moments after birth, and again two hours later) before she even had a name!

    That baby WAS, and IS a true modern miracle! She is also 25 years old, and one of my best friends!

    Besides division by zero...very little is truly "impossible".
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/07/02 17:21:57
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3
    or her hymen Grew back sometimes that Does happen
  • Mel Anonymo... 2012/07/03 00:56:19
    Mel
    +1
    But that's a scientific fact. This question is aimed at those who claim the a divine person was created by virgin birth
  • classic 2012/07/02 13:58:16
    classic
    +1
    Will the Real Jesus Step Forward....


    The originality of Jesus

    Who was the Son of the highest God, and the biggest healer in Antiquity? He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Hear and behold: former paralysed walked again, the blind could miraculously see again, and the deaf could listen and the mute speak after the Master's gentle touch! But he did not only heal the body, he also healed the soul. They called him Saviour and Redeemer, and he healed both rich and poor, men and women, young and old, slaves and free men, friends and enemies. In one occasion a paralysed man was brough to him in his bed, and took his bed and left walking after the Saviour had touched him. What was this Saviour's name?

    … Asklepios.

    -----------------------------...

    Who was born by a mortal virgin mother and had a divine Father, and was known as the "Saviour of the world"? Before he was born his parents wandered to a bigger town, and prophets had foretold his birth and that he would be a king. This instigated a search for the infant Saviour by a leading figure who wanted to kill him. After growing up the Son of God was shown all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. He also walked on water and when he met his end his mother and his favorite disciple stood by him. He then tells his...

























































    Will the Real Jesus Step Forward....


    The originality of Jesus

    Who was the Son of the highest God, and the biggest healer in Antiquity? He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Hear and behold: former paralysed walked again, the blind could miraculously see again, and the deaf could listen and the mute speak after the Master's gentle touch! But he did not only heal the body, he also healed the soul. They called him Saviour and Redeemer, and he healed both rich and poor, men and women, young and old, slaves and free men, friends and enemies. In one occasion a paralysed man was brough to him in his bed, and took his bed and left walking after the Saviour had touched him. What was this Saviour's name?

    … Asklepios.

    -----------------------------...

    Who was born by a mortal virgin mother and had a divine Father, and was known as the "Saviour of the world"? Before he was born his parents wandered to a bigger town, and prophets had foretold his birth and that he would be a king. This instigated a search for the infant Saviour by a leading figure who wanted to kill him. After growing up the Son of God was shown all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. He also walked on water and when he met his end his mother and his favorite disciple stood by him. He then tells his mother: "Do not cry, I'm going to heaven". When he dies he utter: "It is finished" and the earth trembles and darkness cover the land. Then he ascended to heaven, and his greatest achievement was to conquer death.

    His name was of course...Hercules.

    -----------------------------...

    We all of course know the Redeemer who was no figure of pagan Greek polytheism. He was the true Saviour who wanted to help and save the sinful humans, by sacrificing himself. But he was willing to do this, out of love, pity and compassion for the humans.

    His name:...Prometheus.

    -----------------------------...

    Now, who was the real Son of God, born by a mortal virgin mother, and often presented as the venerated newborn infant, or depicted riding a donkey? He healed the sick and did numerous wonders, among those making fine wine from plain water. He was killed but resurrected from the dead and became immortal. The followers of this God often ate a holy meal in a kind of sacramental union with the deity to achieve immortality after their death. One of this god's finest achievements was his death, his sacrifice, which delivers the whole human kind.

    The God was the very popular Dionysos.

    -----------------------------...

    Who is the "Light of the World", the One, the God who defeated death? Born of a virgin mother, considered the first true King by the people. Who rose from the grave and ascended to heaven. He defeated death, and must be considered the single true God.

    Of course the Egyptian Osiris!

    -----------------------------...

    Now, the real God often called the "Light of the world", "The good shepherd", "The lamb" and is "…the way, the truth, and the life". Identified with a cross. Who could that be?

    Horus, (the son of Osiris).

    -----------------------------...
    The original "Light of the world" was the mediator between God and man and was born on the 25.th of December. Local shepherds witnessed his birth and gave him gifts. He had 12 disciples, and when his work was done on earth he gathered together to a last supper, and then ascended to heaven. At doomsday he will return to pass judgment on both the living and the dead. The righteous will go to heaven and the sinful will be killed in a giant fire. Sunday is his holyday, and this religion gave us the seven days of the week. His followers called each other "brothers" and their leaders "fathers". They practiced babtism and established a sacred meal ritual, where flesh and blood was symbolically consumed by initiates. Above earth was heaven, and below the dark hell with demons and the sinners.

    The 'Light of the World' is of course the sungod Mithra.

    -----------------------------...
    Wise men were led to his birth by a star, and his conception was miraculous. After his birth the ruler in the area wanted him dead and started a hunt for the child. But his parents were warned by a heavenly messenger who told them to escape over the river with the holy child. Here, he was met by shepherds. The boy grew up and did many great deeds, and was the mediator between God and man.

    His name: Krishna.

    -----------------------------...

    Who then, was the God whose mother was told by an angel that she would give birth to a holy child destined to be a Saviour? Even as a child he instructed the priests in the temple in religous matters, while his parents were looking for him. He started his religious career when he was ca 30 years of age, and surrounded himself with 12 disciples. One of the disciples is his favorite another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around talking in parables and metaphors. This God called himself "Son of Man" and was referred to as "Prophet", "Master" and "Lord". He did many great wonders and healed the sick, blind could see again and deaf hear.
    He also walked on water. When one of his disciples tried to do the same, he started to sink - his faith was not strong enough.

    We are here obviously talking about Buddha.

    -----------------------------...

    Our Saviour cannot be mistaken for any other. He performed countless miracles on earth, miracles well attested to by bystanders. He healed the sick and the crippled, restored sight to the blind, cast out demons, and even raised the dead! His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. While still a child, he exhibited extraordinary knowledge of religious scripture. He reformed the corrupt and worldly religions of his day. He was crucified, rose from the tomb and appeared to his disciples to prove to them his power over death, after which he ascended to Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. He was known as "the Son of God!" His message is of love and compassion.

    We give you: Apollonius of Tyana*

    -----------------------------...

    And there is of course the God-man, the prophet, the founder of a great monotheistic religion that still exist today. He preached that there was only one true God, and his teachings focused on the eternal fight between good and evil. The teachings include the idea of the Saviour will wake the dead and pass judgment on all. The righteous ones goes to Paradise and the sinful straight to a burning Hell. The very word of Paradise stems from this religion. This semigod started his career in his early thirties, and had a following of disciples. As a band of monks they wandered around, preaching their religion. He was eventually killed and sent to heaven.

    And he was the Persian Zarathustra.

    -----------------------------...
    The problem for Jesus is that all these deities are much older than him. You don't have to be very bright to see where the authors of the Gospels got their "devine inspiration" when they created the Jewish version of the popular God-Man/ World-Saviour of Antiquity.
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  • Mel classic 2012/07/02 15:32:58
    Mel
    +1
    This is good
  • classic 2012/07/02 13:55:58
    classic
    +2
    Genetisists have proven it would have been impossible for the
    World to have been pupulated from just one couple..
    If the rib of a man is turned into a woman they would have the same DNA..Identical. they would actually be more than Twins..

    Also the interpretaion in the bible is wrong, according to Hebrew language,,, Adam (all of mankind) Eve all of womankind)

    First Man, First Woman

    There was no first man "Adam," according to the Hebrew text. The word adam in Hebrew is a common noun, meaning man in a generic sense and in Genesis 1:26, it states:

    "And elohim (gods) said, Let us make adam (man)"; and so "elohim created ha- adam (the-man); ... male and female created he them" (1: 27).

    In the second creation story, where man is first made alone:

    "Yahveh formed ha-adam (the-man) out of the dust of ha-adamah-the ground" (2:7).

    Man is called in Hebrew adam because he was formed out of adamah, the ground; just as in Latin man is called homo because he was formed from humus, the ground. Early Christian father Lactantius stated it as 'homo ex humo' ('man from the ground', or 'dust' as it commonly stated today).

    The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogi...

    Genetisists have proven it would have been impossible for the
    World to have been pupulated from just one couple..
    If the rib of a man is turned into a woman they would have the same DNA..Identical. they would actually be more than Twins..

    Also the interpretaion in the bible is wrong, according to Hebrew language,,, Adam (all of mankind) Eve all of womankind)

    First Man, First Woman

    There was no first man "Adam," according to the Hebrew text. The word adam in Hebrew is a common noun, meaning man in a generic sense and in Genesis 1:26, it states:

    "And elohim (gods) said, Let us make adam (man)"; and so "elohim created ha- adam (the-man); ... male and female created he them" (1: 27).

    In the second creation story, where man is first made alone:

    "Yahveh formed ha-adam (the-man) out of the dust of ha-adamah-the ground" (2:7).

    Man is called in Hebrew adam because he was formed out of adamah, the ground; just as in Latin man is called homo because he was formed from humus, the ground. Early Christian father Lactantius stated it as 'homo ex humo' ('man from the ground', or 'dust' as it commonly stated today).

    The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogies from "in the beginning" to Father Abraham.

    And this wasn't done by Christians, but rather by early Hebrew priests. Nonetheless, early Christians took this deception and used it for their own newly forged religion.
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  • Mel classic 2012/07/02 15:33:57
    Mel
    +1
    I like this
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 17:22:37
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    if anyone actuallly READS the bible you can see where it talks about an Entire race of mankind before God created adam and Eve
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/02 20:48:42
    classic
    +1
    yes it does, but the thumpers will tell you it is not interpreted right or "You just dont understand"
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 20:53:52
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    oh i do understand when it says Plural they just do not want to admit the truth
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/02 20:56:54
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 21:04:03
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/02 21:34:38
    classic
    +1
    I dont think we really know yet how far back human knowledge goes.. they keep finding stuff all the time..

    A stone calendar that is apparently older than 75 000 years has been discovered in Mpumalanga.
    We have evidence of early human consciousness through cave paintings, but what about their lives" Tellinger asked.



    "This has been overlooked by historians, and we believe that stone structures which lie all across Southern Africa are the earliest human structures ever made."

    Tellinger said that once the world begins to hear of Adam's Calendar, SA could become the new Egypt, where archaeologists and astrologers will come to do research into a whole new period of human development.

    He said they dated the rocks in several ways to come to the conclusion the stones were moved there 75 000 years ago.

    "The most conclusive is the geology report, which proves without doubt that the rocks were both moved there from a few kilometers away and were worked with human hands."

    The monoliths are dolomite while the bedrock is black reef cordite, said Tellinger.

    "There are also clear grooves, which someone has obviously carved onto the rock."

    Heine and Tellinger found that the monoliths were placed into exact geometrical alignments and lined up exactly with north, south, east an...

    I dont think we really know yet how far back human knowledge goes.. they keep finding stuff all the time..

    A stone calendar that is apparently older than 75 000 years has been discovered in Mpumalanga.
    We have evidence of early human consciousness through cave paintings, but what about their lives" Tellinger asked.



    "This has been overlooked by historians, and we believe that stone structures which lie all across Southern Africa are the earliest human structures ever made."

    Tellinger said that once the world begins to hear of Adam's Calendar, SA could become the new Egypt, where archaeologists and astrologers will come to do research into a whole new period of human development.

    He said they dated the rocks in several ways to come to the conclusion the stones were moved there 75 000 years ago.

    "The most conclusive is the geology report, which proves without doubt that the rocks were both moved there from a few kilometers away and were worked with human hands."

    The monoliths are dolomite while the bedrock is black reef cordite, said Tellinger.

    "There are also clear grooves, which someone has obviously carved onto the rock."

    Heine and Tellinger found that the monoliths were placed into exact geometrical alignments and lined up exactly with north, south, east and west.

    The two explorers also found that two of the central rocks work as a calendar, with a tall rock casting a shadow on a shorter, flat rock. The shadow moves across the rock in exactly one year.
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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 21:37:06
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    +3
    i was giving an example i think the oldest man made structure is over 100,000 years old

    Adams Calender i think
    oldest structure 100000 years adams calender
    They have always been there. People noticed them before. But no one could remember who made them -- or why? Until just recently, no one even knew how many there were. Now they are everywhere -- thousands -- no, hundreds of thousands of them! And the story they tell is the most important story of humanity. But it's one we might not be prepared to hear.

    The discovery

    Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. That's bigger than Johannesburg nowadays. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/02 22:20:39
    classic
    +1
    That is the one I just posted about... at the youngest it is 75,000 years and quite possibly much older than that..
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 23:07:47
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +2
    Good minds think alike!!
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/07/02 21:37:35
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +3

    "20,000 to 100,000" Year Old Metal "Screws" : Ancient Mysteries
    cool website it makes you think
    http://www.disclose.tv/forum/...
  • Fenris 2012/07/02 10:02:03
    Fenris
    +3
    My Suspision is that Josef and Maria just could´nt wait for the wedding night!
  • classic Fenris 2012/07/02 14:00:30
    classic
    +1
    What would one think today if they were engaged to a young girl , never had sex with her, and she came up with the "Guess what? I'm Pregnant" Joseph was a Gullible dude.....
  • Anonymo... Fenris 2012/07/02 17:14:03
    Anonymous Coward218
    +1
    Don't you mean Yosef and Miriam? (my iPad doesn't have the Hebrew keyboard installed)
  • classic Anonymo... 2012/07/02 20:51:21 (edited)
    classic
    I am quoteting the translation in the KJV bible,, Joseph and Mary.. in the Hebrew was Yosef and Miriam,...before that there were many other names.. all of them fairy tales..

    The hebrew was taken from other ancient myths of Virgin Birth.. my post is not about names it is about the absurdety of the story....
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Anonymo... 2012/07/04 22:49:22
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    then you better start calling jesus Yeshua since Jesus is Greek for Hail Zeus so every time you say that your praising a Pagan God but by all means keep doing it Zeus likes your prayers
  • Odinsown 2012/07/02 05:04:55
    Odinsown
    It is a fable, a story told so that our ancestors and ourselves will have something to tell our children, something to describe how to live, and something to give us hope when there isn't any.
  • Mel Odinsown 2012/07/02 06:14:27
    Mel
    +3
    I'd rather my children liver on realities, not fables
  • Odinsown Mel 2012/07/02 06:46:27
    Odinsown
    Ok, then raise your children that way. I have no issue with that at all. My children will be raised with knowledge that the tales of our Gods are tales, myths, and legends.
  • Mel Odinsown 2012/07/02 07:17:05
    Mel
    +3
    My Goddess/es and Gods are certainly more moral than what the christians teach their children. A jealous god who over the centuries burned women as witches, caused wars, death , destruction, rape and murder.
  • Odinsown Mel 2012/07/02 13:05:00
    Odinsown
    I can't say my Gods & Goddesses are more moral, my ancient coreligionists did rape and pillage Europe for centuries, but in the legends and tales the Gods never called their followers to kill entire peoples.
  • classic Mel 2012/07/02 14:02:17
    classic
    Not to mention the complete murder of everying living breathing thing on the face of the earth,.,, Just because this God Made a Mistake... Kinda like a little kid,,, breaking his GI Joe for falling down......
  • Mel classic 2012/07/02 15:35:27
    Mel
    +1
    If you have a God who makes those types of mistakes, I'd not worship that one.
  • Seiryuu 2012/07/02 04:55:32
    Seiryuu
    Well, it's not a fable anymore, thanks to IVF.

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