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Why should/shouldn't Americans have the right to own guns (under legal permission)?

666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1 2012/06/14 18:36:44
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  • Marvelous Wildfire 2012/06/17 22:25:30
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    The police seldom arrive in time to even arrest a suspect, much less USE their guns.
    And if a police officer actually NEEDED a gun for a call, doesn't logic suggest that the victim the call was made for, needed a gun as well?

    Because the police have no duty to protect individuals:
    “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others.” -Lynch vs North Carolina Department of Justice 1989

    This means that if you want protection from violent crime, for you and your loved ones; it’s up to YOU and YOU ALONE to provide it.

    But ask yourself this question, in your heart of hearts: Why should a cop risk his life to save something so insignificant (your life or the lives of your loved ones), that even the owner is unwilling to protect it?

    But it doesn't stop there, here is just a few examples of what the courts have ruled:
    Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)

    Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252;...



















    The police seldom arrive in time to even arrest a suspect, much less USE their guns.
    And if a police officer actually NEEDED a gun for a call, doesn't logic suggest that the victim the call was made for, needed a gun as well?

    Because the police have no duty to protect individuals:
    “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others.” -Lynch vs North Carolina Department of Justice 1989

    This means that if you want protection from violent crime, for you and your loved ones; it’s up to YOU and YOU ALONE to provide it.

    But ask yourself this question, in your heart of hearts: Why should a cop risk his life to save something so insignificant (your life or the lives of your loved ones), that even the owner is unwilling to protect it?

    But it doesn't stop there, here is just a few examples of what the courts have ruled:
    Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)

    Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

    Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
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  • king david 2012/06/15 11:44:08
    king david
    +1
    well i suppose it is saftey first wirgout a gun your hame is defencless with one you are more likely to shoot a family member than a intruder
  • Marvelo... king david 2012/06/17 22:04:08
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Sorry, but that "you are more likely to shoot a family member than a intruder" is only a lie told to fool the stupid who are too ignorant or lazy to actually research the truth for themselves.
  • beach bum 2012/06/15 03:49:07
    beach bum
    +1
    guns for soldiers....yay
  • Marvelo... beach bum 2012/06/17 22:07:40
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    For the same reason, non-soldier should be armed as well.
  • beach bum Marvelo... 2012/06/18 01:53:06
    beach bum
    +1
    agreed
  • BILL 2012/06/14 23:43:49
    BILL
    +2
    I have and carry a gun,legally
  • Fighting4U 2012/06/14 22:43:35
    Fighting4U
    +2
    They should for protection.
  • Metaldane 2012/06/14 19:35:34 (edited)
    Metaldane
    +1
    There are too many reasons we should have them to list them all one is the general population has no need to fear governments if they can overthrow them keeping them safe and governments in line, also of course self defense and sporting and hunting purposes they're also just plain fun to shoot. Im different from most on this subject I think it'd be fine to have a wider acess to firearms such as owning machine-guns and new fully automatic weapons but I also think we need stricter access to them I think most people should be able to buy a shotgun or small pistol but to have wider acess you must past tests and classes training you in firearm use and gun laws in order to own higher class weapons.
  • Marvelo... Metaldane 2012/06/17 22:17:22
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Since almost each illegal act of "gun violence" is done by felons who can't legally possess guns, "stricter laws" are of virtually no value. (If they ignore the laws against rape, robbery and murder; why would they obey new gun control laws?)

    What I think would be the most effective would be to control the *CRIMINALS*.
  • Metaldane Marvelo... 2012/06/18 02:26:35
    Metaldane
    I happen to know a lot of gun owners who shouldn't be allowed to own a pellet gun let alone an actual firearm I know because I'm a collector and I buy guns from lots of different people just go ask a gun store owner and they'll tell you at least half the people who come in there barely know anything about guns other then looks and idk about you but I don't feel saf giving a firearm to someone who doesn't even know the difference between a revolver and semi auto pistol.
  • Marvelo... Metaldane 2012/06/18 05:57:25
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You state: "I happen to know a lot of gun owners who shouldn't be allowed to own a pellet gun let alone an actual firearm"

    Are they an *ACTUAL MENACE TO SOCIETY*, or not?
    What have they done that was a violation of the law?
    If they can't be trusted to be both Free *AND* armed: They should be physically confined.

    You state: "I know because I'm a collector and I buy guns from lots of different people"

    Yeah, that makes you an expert . . . just like being a bartender qualifies one to be a proctologist.
    But despite your self-proclaimed knowledge, statistics shows your paranoia to be unfounded. There are very few gun accidents or non-criminal misuses of guns.
    What other Civil Rights do you feel qualified to deny people based on your opinion?
    Want to give literacy test before allowing people to vote?
    Want a test, before people are allowed to join a church to prevent another "Jim Jones"?
    Want to take Internet access away from people that post run-on sentences, too?

    You state: "just go ask a gun store owner and they'll tell you at least half the people who come in there barely know anything about guns other then looks"
    Do you even realize, that you just described a *VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE* of law enforcement officers entering the academy?
    Do a little research, and see how many long time LEO's have ...







    You state: "I happen to know a lot of gun owners who shouldn't be allowed to own a pellet gun let alone an actual firearm"

    Are they an *ACTUAL MENACE TO SOCIETY*, or not?
    What have they done that was a violation of the law?
    If they can't be trusted to be both Free *AND* armed: They should be physically confined.

    You state: "I know because I'm a collector and I buy guns from lots of different people"

    Yeah, that makes you an expert . . . just like being a bartender qualifies one to be a proctologist.
    But despite your self-proclaimed knowledge, statistics shows your paranoia to be unfounded. There are very few gun accidents or non-criminal misuses of guns.
    What other Civil Rights do you feel qualified to deny people based on your opinion?
    Want to give literacy test before allowing people to vote?
    Want a test, before people are allowed to join a church to prevent another "Jim Jones"?
    Want to take Internet access away from people that post run-on sentences, too?

    You state: "just go ask a gun store owner and they'll tell you at least half the people who come in there barely know anything about guns other then looks"
    Do you even realize, that you just described a *VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE* of law enforcement officers entering the academy?
    Do a little research, and see how many long time LEO's have shot their partners or *THEMSELVES*.
    You ever train LEOs on firearms? I didn't think so.
    I have.

    You state: "and idk about you but I don't feel saf giving a firearm to someone who doesn't even know the difference between a revolver and semi auto pistol."

    Again, you just described a *VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE* of LEOs.
    It was my job, to take those LEOS, like you describe, and make them at least adequate.
    That's what I do now with those who aren't too cowardly to accept personal responsibility for their own safety.
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  • Metaldane Marvelo... 2012/06/18 06:06:19
    Metaldane
    You know I would debate this but honestly what's the point? I can tell by your multiple paragraph reply it'll be a waste of time and will go nowhere so I'll end it with this don't like my opinion too damn bad get over it.
  • Marvelo... Metaldane 2012/06/18 07:36:10
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You are welcome to your opinions, no matter how baseless they may be.
  • Metaldane Marvelo... 2012/06/18 07:49:50
  • Marvelo... Metaldane 2012/06/18 08:42:19
    Marvelous Wildfire
    That's right, you have nothing to base your opinion on but emotions.

    But your opinions are fun to laugh at. Hahahaha!
  • Metaldane Marvelo... 2012/06/18 09:08:46
    Metaldane
    Says the troll now stfu or you get blocked because as I previously stated I am uninterested in debating on this topic I prefer religious and cultural debates.
  • Marvelo... Metaldane 2012/06/18 13:58:50
    Marvelous Wildfire
    Of course, you're a dumbass that knows little to nothing about this subject; what makes you a dumbass, is your fervent desire to stay ignorant on subjects you know so little about and comment anyway.

    Hmmm, sounds like *YOU* are the troll.
    Bye-bye!
  • HarleyCharley 2012/06/14 19:00:51
    HarleyCharley
    +3
    We need guns to protect us from the government....
  • rustex782 2012/06/14 18:45:44
    rustex782
    +1
    i find that most people want guns for the wrong reasons and then they just CANT WAIT to use it.
  • Marvelo... rustex782 2012/06/17 21:56:50
    Marvelous Wildfire
    You sure travel in strange circles.
    Of the *HUNDREDS* of private gun owners I've known, *NONE* expressed that "they just CANT WAIT to use it."
    And thankfully, statistics clearly show how very, very few there are that actually feel as you have been told to believe.

    Do you also believe that people who have smoke detectors in their homes "just CANT WAIT to use it"?
    How about people who have spare tires and jacks in their cars? Do you believe that they "just CANT WAIT to use it"?

    Just because people have loved ones, whose lives are *WORTH* protecting and accept the personal responsibility necessary to do that, doesn't mean that "they just CANT WAIT to use it."
  • rustex782 Marvelo... 2012/06/17 22:42:58
    rustex782
    ok sure. . . .
  • Vennie 2012/06/14 18:43:49
    Vennie
    +1
    We already have that right under the second amendment to the US Constitution. It's not gun ownership that is of concern to me. It's the type and number of guns out there and the unsafe way some gun owners handle and store them. There is no reason for a private citizen to own, for example, a bazooka. Children should never be able to get their hands on a gun, unless it is under adult supervision, as in hunting.
  • sockpuppet 2012/06/14 18:43:14
    sockpuppet
    +3
    We should. There are people in this country who believe that, because *they* don't like something, *nobody* should have it.
  • BloodlessVeins 2012/06/14 18:39:35
    BloodlessVeins
    +2
    Agreed. The world is a scary place, and female is the weaker physical species. To protect my virtue!
  • BILL Bloodle... 2012/06/14 23:50:12

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