Why is it muslims can pray 5 times a day anywhere but it is against the law for Christians to pray at ballgames, at work, school etc??????
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maybe because we do not terror bomb people for disagreeing with us
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ehrhornp 2012/06/10 01:15:38other ideas+5Since when is it against the law for Christians to pray at ballgames, work, school, etc? I mean if Christians were to follow Jesus wouldn't they go into a closet to pray? But no one stopped me when I said a silent prayer prior to an exam when I was in school or when I silently prayed for a home run at a baseball game.

















It is also true that the government, in any of its forms, can not make you pray a certain way,, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise. Also thanks to the 1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
We all can pray however we want to. And no one can get the government to make their kind of prayer the official way.
Of course, some believe that the God of the Christian Bible and the god of the Koran are one in the same, and this is now a well voiced opinion by the recent converts to many of the members of either religion. However, the God (of Abraham) and Allah are not the same, and anyone who was to compare the two thru their teachings would find the stark differences between the two.
Christians have allowed other religions to surpass them in number here in the US, and now, any voting here will not be swayed by a majority of Christians as it was in the past. Therefore, our laws here will be changed so that the Muslim will have even more of their privileges allowed, until Sheria Law is enabled and the US becomes a Muslim nation. Anyone with 'foresight' instead of 'hindsight' can see this happening before our eyes right now. Stranger things HAVE happened.
You are free to pray wherever and whenever you want. There is no restriction against a Christian athlete or fan praying at a ball game. There is no restriction against a Christian student praying before a test or before lunch in a public school. And there is not restriction against a Christian worker kneeling down in his or her office and praying, or spending his or her entire day on an assembly line praising Jesus.
The restriction is simply on using public property or public funds for public prayer, and especially for compulsory prayer. In your examples, a coach cannot compel his players to pray, a teacher cannot lead a class in prayer, and an employer cannot insist that workers participate in prayer as a condition of employment.
When I worked in management in a large manufacturing facility, groups of Christian workers often sat together and prayed before their lunch. Muslims took their prayer mats to the lawn outside during their breaks to say their prayers. In my current job as a teacher (in a public school), I often see students obviously engaged in prayer before beginning an assignment or test. Who they are praying to is none of anyone's concern, least of all mine, but since the majority of my students are Mexican or of Mexican descent, I would guess they are Christians. There is no rule against this.
You just can't force the rest of us to pray with you.
Pray all freaking day if you want NO ONE CARES!!!!
Man I hate you whinny Christians so much more then the crazy Muslims.
Your all just a bunch of cry babies.
And, even though 'Organized' prayer has been taken out of schools and school events for Christians, at least NO other religions are afforded the privilege. But if and when there is prejudice against Christians in allowing other groups special considerations, that is when even the most understanding, most timid Christian will stand up and voice their malcontent.
I think this sums everything perfectly.
Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10
A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33
Religious Zealots who push the public prayer thing really should read thier bible where it says not to pray in public
IT actually Says DO NOT PRAY IN PUBLIC
but do they Read the Bible NO
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
What I don't understand is how different people, all self-identified as Christians, can have such varied interpretations? I have asked this before and each person who replied had a different answer and all supplied proof they were correct in their interpretation.
This is off topic so feel free to ignore me. I just ask whenever I get the chance because I'm curious. :-)
I have studied the bible and I was a christian for many years. So get off your self righteous pompous asss and read your own bible. The quotes are there for everyone to read.
The bible clearly states that christians are to pray privately.
IT actually Says DO NOT PRAY IN PUBLIC but do they Read the Bible NO
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
see two different story there was packs of Muslims rugs on grass and pray none of security stop them..
and see the students sang Memorial Told to Stop Singing National Anthem
anyway here paste and read it's no wonder...
John Brock: ‘Can we not pray openly or silently anywhere on public property?’
Article Content:
A number of Georgetown High School students were recently “caught” praying before classes at Georgetown High School.
Although the prayer sessions have been going on for years, the before-school gatherings were ordered shutdown.
They have since been sanctioned by school officials following a public outcry and an appeal by the students to be recognized as a school-sponsored “club.”
The group has met for more than a decade without objection until an anonymous individual ratted them out and school officials called a halt to the praying. Shutting down the prayer sessions was instigated by an anonymous phone call. Additionally, a national group claiming to support separation of church and state raised a complaint against the student group's activities which sent school officials temporarily scurrying under their desks.
Thirty years or more ago, hearts would have rejoiced that high school students were praying on school grounds or anywhere else for that matter. ...
see two different story there was packs of Muslims rugs on grass and pray none of security stop them..
and see the students sang Memorial Told to Stop Singing National Anthem
anyway here paste and read it's no wonder...
John Brock: ‘Can we not pray openly or silently anywhere on public property?’
Article Content:
A number of Georgetown High School students were recently “caught” praying before classes at Georgetown High School.
Although the prayer sessions have been going on for years, the before-school gatherings were ordered shutdown.
They have since been sanctioned by school officials following a public outcry and an appeal by the students to be recognized as a school-sponsored “club.”
The group has met for more than a decade without objection until an anonymous individual ratted them out and school officials called a halt to the praying. Shutting down the prayer sessions was instigated by an anonymous phone call. Additionally, a national group claiming to support separation of church and state raised a complaint against the student group's activities which sent school officials temporarily scurrying under their desks.
Thirty years or more ago, hearts would have rejoiced that high school students were praying on school grounds or anywhere else for that matter. But not today.
Our betters have determined that the constitution promises not freedom of religion but freedom FROM religion because (dare I say it) Muslims, Buddhist, atheists, etc. might be offended. But we bend over backwards to accommodate their demands — foot showers in public buildings, prayer rugs in some venues, prayer-time off for others, etc. Oh! How far we have travelled on the senseless journey toward Political Correctness.
Keep in mind, the local student prayer group was meeting outside of school scheduling, but horror of horrors, they were praying in an unused school space with like-minded students and one devout adult lady was handing out printed material to those who asked. No one was required to be present but everyone was invited. It seems to me that if a group of folks anywhere, anytime wants to pray and they are not causing harm or inconvenience to others, then, it's nobody else's business. I can think of much more harmful activities before the school bell rings that these students could be engaged in, besides praying.
Local students have been praying before school since 1999! But, school officials said they were unaware of the practice. Where were our administrative officials and what were they doing while a highly visible group of young people came together to pray for eleven years — undetected by those in charge? Makes you wonder what really sinister activities could be taking place without official awareness. And, what other matters our school administrators might be “unaware” of. On the other hand, perhaps local school officials simply turned a blind eye because they saw no real harm in praying until someone challenged the prayer practice. Let's hope that's the case.
A local lady has reportedly been handing out Bible verses and invitations to the prayer sessions to students as they arrived on school grounds during the eleven-year history of the Georgetown High School Prayer Caper. She said she was granted permission by a former district superintendent to do so and has gone unquestioned for over 10 years. The school solons now say she is unable to provide written proof of the permission. Somehow, I am inclined to believe the words of a woman dedicated enough to voluntarily rise early in the morning to spread the Good News to our young folks. I do not doubt her motives or her belief that she was acting in good faith and with official sanction.
Pray, tell me —what harm was done by this dedicated woman and the praying students? None that I can fathom. But, yet, they are vilified for not worshiping at the altar of Political Correctness.
Perhaps all is well that ends well. School officials have recognized the group after several students applied for “official” status by asking for permission granted to other “clubs.” They will now be allowed to do exactly what they were doing before school hours on school property. Halleluiah! Sanity has prevailed.
The only difference now is that the group must be led by a school district employee. And no “unauthorized” literature can be passed out among students on school property.
It seems to me that the praying students, the individual who voluntarily took the initiative to aid the group, local ministers who have spoken to the group and the public would have been better served with a quiet conversation concerning how their activities could become legitimate. Instead, the people involved were publicly made to feel as if they were doing something outside of societal expectations. Some may have even been led to believe they were doing something wrong instead of praiseworthy. A little sensitivity could have averted these emotions.
Need I point out that there is no mention in the U.S. Constitution about separation of church and state? The phrase is not mentioned. What is decreed is that all Americans have “freedom of religion” and it worked quite well until the onslaught of Political Correctness.
School administrators have rectified an onerous situation and students are once again free to pray under prescribed circumstances. Fair enough. But who can really dictate that a group of students cannot gather on the sidewalk or inside an empty space to pray together. Why can't like-minded students join hands in the hall outside a classroom before an exam (or athletic event) and pray. Must we pray with a supervisor? Can we not pray openly or silently anywhere on public property? These and other questions of Freedom of Religion might someday be answered.
I believe that grass-root Americans will come to our senses and demand that a country founded on Judeo/Christian principles and philosophy deserve to practice what we preached for more than 200 years before Political Correctness was decreed to be the “law” of the land.
John Brock is a retired college professor and, newspaper editor/publisher, who lives in Georgetown County. He can be reached by mail at this newspaper, or my e-mail at brock@johnbrock.com
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: 2/17/2010
What gets me is when something tragic happens on the shool grounds, the first thing that will be said by the news reporter is (Lets Pray!)
Louis H. Rubin
The Left has been pushing Christians and morality out of American society for the past century and has succeeded because Christians have far too polite and civil. The Left do not believe in polite and civil discourse, do not believe in free speech, do not tolerate dissent.
I am old enough to remember prayer in school. I wasn't a Christian and I was never offended when my friends prayed.
Islams and Christianity have the same roots. Do some research and EDUCATE your tiny mind.