Why do we need border fences? (that don't work anyway)

You cannot punish people for knowingly hiring illegals because that's the Neocon / Liberal link no one on either side wishes to talk about. The Neocons are rightwing Liberals who began as Liberals and split with them during the Great Depression blaming the Socialists and Communists who called themselves Liberals for the economic collapse. The Neocons remained in the Democratic Party and would continue calling themselves Liberals and Neocons interchangeably until becoming Republicans. The transition from Democrat to Republican came about with the election of Kennedy who contrary to what Liberals claim, was never a Liberal in the sense of leftwing. Prior to becoming President, we are not taught anything about JFK's political career as a Senator and Congressman where he almost always supported racist Democrats, the Dixiecrats and was so hated by Liberals that Eleanor Roosevelt led a campaign to prevent him from ever holding any office and in the 1960 Presidential election, most Liberals voted AGAINST Kennedy. The Liberals who supported Kennedy were the Neocons and they did so only warily because of his fathers connections and Kennedys support for corporate America. When he chose Johnson as his VP, the Neocons balked costing Kennedy votes but most still voted for Kennedy who barely won election. For all the talk of Kennedy in relation to civil rights, this is mostly myth as he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1957 pushed by Eisenhower, actively opposed marches, ignored calls to reign in the KKK and only supported civil rights grudgingly because television brought the KKK and racism into American homes shocking millions who had only heard about the wrongs by white supremists but had never seen the wrongs themselves. When Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson became President, the Neocons had already stated they would not support a known racist and it was Johnson who set off the exodus of Neocons taking with them their corporate support and the strength of the Democratic Party. To survive, the left made concessions with the right selling out their support base to prevent the right from following after the Neocons which is where Johnsons form of racism took over within the Democratic Party explaining why integration came to an end and the explosion of black on black violence we see erupting in the late 60's so that today most blacks remain segregated by choice and in one year more blacks kill their fellow black Americans in one year than whites killed during the entire period of segregation combined. Johnsons form of racism was to support black people by day but stand in front of their home wearing a sheet at night as their homes were burned to the ground. This was how he was able to promise the Democratic Party he would give them ownership of the black vote for the next 200 years at a time when most Democrats were racists and would never have supported this because they didn't want the black vote... they wanted to strip blacks of their right to vote and prevent them from voting altogether.

Question flaca, research the Socialists and Communists in the US and you will find group after groups becoming Democrats with the biggest being the Socialist Party of America which formed in 1901 but dissolved itself into the Democratic Party during the late 1960's. Ok, with all these Socialists and Communists joining the Democratic Party from the end of the 19th century, what became of them? Research the topic and you will find group after group of these Socialists and Communists disappear and when you check to learn what became of them, it's always the same... they became Democrats. But after they become Democrats, they disappear and there is no record of any significant Socialist or Communist element in the Democratic Party... but the Liberals grew in number with each transition which creates the obvious answer that the Socialists and Communists began calling themselves Liberals.

The Liberals prior to the 1960's when the SPA dissolved itself into the the Democratic Party, were like the Liberals in Canada and elsewhere in the world who were majority leftwing but held many rightwing views as well which todays left simply does not possess.

Look at your question here. You assume we should have a fence with Canada to make a comparison... when we have tens of millions of Canadians crossing the border into the United States or tens of millions of Americans crossing the border into Canda, then your comparison has some merit.

The truth is that most Canadians and most Americans OBEY the law regarding the established border between our two nations... our border with mexico is not in the same position as Mexico is not part of the United States and yet every year there are more illegals trying to cross the border between the US and Mexico than between any two US States.

Let's make a simple comparison as the population of Canada is about the same as California. Now, let's say that a million people crossed the border from California into Nevada and stayed there... could Nevada provide for a million people who just suddenly arrive in their state over a period of months bringing nothing with them but the clothes on their backs? Of course they couldn't provide for all these people. So let's now look at the border between the US and Canada and ask could Canada absorb 10% of the US population crossing the border into Canada with nothing but the clothes on their backs over the period of a decade? That would be around 33 million people contributing nothing but the ability to work which Canada could not provide for as this would double their nations population and bankrupt them creating a crisis of epic magnitude.

We have absorbed 10% of Mexico's population with between 10 to 15 million crossing the border into the US illegally with their population being at around 110 million with almost half the unemployment rate of the US meaning they are more likely to find work in their own country.

US law requires the federal government to protect the borders requiring all people crossing the border to do so legally as is the case between the US and Canada.

However, the Neocons throw the doors open to illegal immigration and the Liberals fight all efforts to remove them back to their own country once they get here. Thus, an old connection between the Neocons and Liberals is revealed to still exist.

But your comparison in relation to Canada is neither Liberal nor Neocon... it is Socialist> Michael Moore has made this same comparison as have the various Socialists and Communist groups in this country as the Communist Party here has made the comparison between the US and Canadian borders that you make where Mexico and the US are involved.

The wall along the border will not work, on that you are correct as it is meaningless except as symbolism to show we are doing something... but when it's built and proves to be no obstacle then it becomes an object of ridicule and wasted resources.

As I have said, put the military down there establishing new military bases for training US soldiers in police actions which we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq leading to tragedy because for all the talk, these soldier have not been properly trained as MP's which is what they are being asked to do. Using advanced technology and non lethal force (backed by lethal force where needed), they can use satellite technology and where Coyotes and the Mexican military may be involved, send in the big guns. Do this in conjunction with the Mexican government backing them in their efforts to bring down organized crime in their country while blocking as much illegal traffic between the US and Mexico as we can.

If you have a problem with what's going on down there flaca, use your head instead of Michael Moores head to figure out what to do about it.

We just passed a law in Alabama to do exactly what you said going after any employer who knowingly hires illegals and that means we equally must remove the illegals because without the ability to earn a living, how are they going to take care of themselves. And yet, for doing exactly as you said... the Liberals are raising hell about it proving that from you guys it's all talk and most of the talk is lies as you say fix it by going after the employers and when we do it in Alabama, you condemn us for it.

You guys don't stop to think things through. If we stop people from employing them then they can't feed themselves and if they can't feed themselves being here illegally then the logical course is to send them home... we try that, Liberals attack us.

So what do we do flaca... let's deprive them of their ability to earn a living like you just said and watch them starve to death because they have no means to provide for their families? Exactly what do we do next flaca after we stop employers from employing them? You didn't think that far did you? None of the people on the left think that far as all they want to do is attack corporate America blaming them and say we should go after them to stop them from employing the illegals... then what?

Sorry flaca, you stand on the side that not only is dead wrong on this matter but that is confused and poorly educated on the entire matter which is why you come up with these poor comparisons and ideas of what we should do.

Socialism flaca, has a fatal flaw in that it is based on the heart and spreading the wealth to everyone so everyone shares equally. Only it doesn't work that way because the people elected to power will always be established as a powerful elite meaning that power is not equally shared but held by a ruling few. In this regard, true Democracy would be the way to go where leaders are equal to all citizens and where should they act without the peoples approval using powers they were given only to use in an emergency for self gain or glorification... they would be held accountable for every death, every abuse no matter if they achieved great conquest and brought tremendous wealth to their people... even doing this resulted in leaders being exiled, imprisoned and executed in ancient Greek Democracy. Democracy is itself a form of Socialism but it is a Western ideal whereas the Socialism known today and supported in America is Eastern Socialism. Under the Greeks, there was a sharing of the wealth to some degree to provide a basic foundation for the common good of all. However, it also allowed and encouraged people to excel and to accumulate wealth within the given framework of law which the Roman Republic did not possess because lobbying allowed the law and law makers to be controlled by the wealthy and by what we call corporations today. It is in Washington DC that the greatest corruption and greatest wrongdoings originate and Washington DC is a Republic because the Constitution makes it that way. The Bill of Rights are all that protects any sense of Democracy protecting state and individual rights establishing a duality where the states are represented by a Democracy but the national government is represented by a federal Republic.

You want something done other than putting up a meaningless wall... then stop binding the hands of the states to decide for themselves how to deal with illegal immigration with the federal government having abdicated it's role in this regard.

These illegals coming into Alabama are not coming from Mexico... they are coming from Mississippi via Louisiana and Arkansas through Texas. The federal government says it has the right to patrol it's international borders... well, the border between Alabama and Mississippi is not an international border and they have no jurisdiction here.