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Darth Vader.BN-0 2012/06/16 05:52:01
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  • Tasine classic 2012/06/17 13:54:45
    Tasine
    So can I - so could Ted Bundy. I hope you know that your story about being a preacher, about preaching in church, about "learning" that Christianity is a sham, etc. doesn't meet the believability scale anywhere.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/16 16:37:29
    elijahin24
    +1
    It worries the non-believers, that Christian fanatics, will eventually achieve enough power, to start another inquisition. the only Hell, is the one that religious fanatics put nonbelievers, and believers of other religions through.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/16 17:31:20
    Tasine
    Oh, my. Liberals call me paranoid, but it has never once crossed my mind that Christianity of today has or wants anything resembling an inquisition. None has ever put me through hell. The current President puts me through hell, but I don't know anyone who believes he is Christian. I happen to believe in heaven and in hell and believe that both are experienced right here on earth as we live. I believe we are, whether or not we know it, working toward goodness or toward evil. How have you been put through hell by Christianity? Serious question.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/17 15:14:02
    elijahin24
    Not in "inquistionesque fashion", but in other ways. What exactly has the President done, to put you through hell, other than be a Democrat? And other than not wanting to believe he's a Christian, what basis do you have for not believing he is?
    Christians certainly do want absolute power. People like James Inhof, Rand Paul, and Michelle Bachman are pushing hard for it. And when they have absolute power, do you think they intend to just sit on it? No. They're going to try to trade the Constitution, for Levitical law.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/17 17:32:55
    Tasine
    +1
    Where to start? Let's start with the US Constitution which is the basis for our rules of law. I have good health insurance. Your president had dictated that the governnment will take over health insurance. Our government does NOTHING well. If government touches it, it's the kiss of death. I do not want some pencil pusher saying I cannot have this or that medically. I have a RIGHT (SEE THE BILL OF RIGHTS) to make my own decisions re my life and my well being. I did not give that right to the government.

    We are at 11% unemployment, yet the President, unconstitutionally, passed an Executive Order allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country, even though he took an oath to uphold the laws of the land. Illegal alien enforcement is one of the laws Congress passed years ago. This will make the job market for Americans even harder than it is. But it seems Americans don't count in Obama's America.

    When he opens his mouth, one can generally expect a lie to issue forth. Those who believe him are hopelessly naive. He strong-arms individuals, groups, and he stirs up racial tension we had mostly put to rest before his appearance. He has destroyed the economy - with Congress' willing help.

    He has sullied the nation's first residence - the White House - with his appointment...





    Where to start? Let's start with the US Constitution which is the basis for our rules of law. I have good health insurance. Your president had dictated that the governnment will take over health insurance. Our government does NOTHING well. If government touches it, it's the kiss of death. I do not want some pencil pusher saying I cannot have this or that medically. I have a RIGHT (SEE THE BILL OF RIGHTS) to make my own decisions re my life and my well being. I did not give that right to the government.

    We are at 11% unemployment, yet the President, unconstitutionally, passed an Executive Order allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country, even though he took an oath to uphold the laws of the land. Illegal alien enforcement is one of the laws Congress passed years ago. This will make the job market for Americans even harder than it is. But it seems Americans don't count in Obama's America.

    When he opens his mouth, one can generally expect a lie to issue forth. Those who believe him are hopelessly naive. He strong-arms individuals, groups, and he stirs up racial tension we had mostly put to rest before his appearance. He has destroyed the economy - with Congress' willing help.

    He has sullied the nation's first residence - the White House - with his appointments of socialists, street gang mentalities, such as Eric Holder, Kathleen Sibilious, Janet Napalitano, and the two socialist judges to the Supreme Court.......every one of which wants to be a dictator.

    He is mucking around with the food supply - making it impossible for people to survive WITHOUT the government in the event of disaster, which he is working overtime to produce. He vilifies corporations that provide thousands of good jobs to the point they relocate in another country to escape the ravaging liberals do to them in the United States.

    Democrats generally are the worst thing to have ever happened to the United States, and specifically, Obama is the worst of the worst. He is a sham, a fake person, someone who has used aliases (why?), someone who will not share anything about himself except lies (what is he so jealously hiding from the people who honored him with electing him?).

    I could go on and on and on. But you don't want to hear any of what I will say, so why bother. I never have met a progressive or a democrat that could tolerate reason and/or fact. I hope you surprise me.
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/17 23:36:35
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/18 00:04:25
    Tasine
    +1
    Uh-uh. George Bush acted like the President of all Americans. And you are not going to lay blame on Bush for Obama being elected. No Way! He's gotten the blame for every thing under the sun since the day he was elected. ENOUGH!! Obama acts like no President to any Americans and especially to those of us who are conservative. If he thought he could get away with locking us up, I feel confident he would do just that.

    I am 73 - have fought against MediCare for approximately 50 years, starting before it was passed into law. Like it no better now than I did then. Give me the same amount of money the government uses to run MediCare and I could do a much better job than the government does. BTW, my grandparents have been dead for decades as have my parents.

    Would I be happy with privatized police and fire departments? YES! I surely would. You may think the government has done fine with it, but it has contributed to the bankruptcy of this country which you may also think is O.K. I DO NOT think it is O.K. When governments run the economy into the hole, ALL OF THESE "FREEBIES" disappear - THEN WHAT HAPPENS?!

    You people need, really, really need to get real. You really, really do need to think ahead just a wee bit. You MUST stop thinking of me, me, me, for just a moment...
    Uh-uh. George Bush acted like the President of all Americans. And you are not going to lay blame on Bush for Obama being elected. No Way! He's gotten the blame for every thing under the sun since the day he was elected. ENOUGH!! Obama acts like no President to any Americans and especially to those of us who are conservative. If he thought he could get away with locking us up, I feel confident he would do just that.

    I am 73 - have fought against MediCare for approximately 50 years, starting before it was passed into law. Like it no better now than I did then. Give me the same amount of money the government uses to run MediCare and I could do a much better job than the government does. BTW, my grandparents have been dead for decades as have my parents.

    Would I be happy with privatized police and fire departments? YES! I surely would. You may think the government has done fine with it, but it has contributed to the bankruptcy of this country which you may also think is O.K. I DO NOT think it is O.K. When governments run the economy into the hole, ALL OF THESE "FREEBIES" disappear - THEN WHAT HAPPENS?!

    You people need, really, really need to get real. You really, really do need to think ahead just a wee bit. You MUST stop thinking of me, me, me, for just a moment while there is still enough speed going that you will receive your SS check this month - because next month you just may NOT receive it. You can call my comments anything you wish, but trust me, you will never think I am as much a liar as I think the left is a gaggle of incompetent idiots.
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/18 13:33:10
    elijahin24
    He's gotten blamed for everything, because he managed to screw up everything. And I'm not blaming him for the election of President Obama. I'm thanking him for at least that.
    My mistake about your age, and I'm sorry about your parents and grandparents. I'm dyslexic. I honestly thought you were 37.
    That said, you are the exception to the rule. The overwhelming majority of seniors in this country, would be screwed hard, if they had no medicare. And your ideas about privatized police forces, would surely lead to anarchy and corruption, just like that which exists in corporate-America.
    Here's the thing you don't seem to get. I'm a Soldier in the United States Army. I've got a pretty good job, and I do fine financially. I have good health-care, because I'm a veteran. And I'm well trained, so if I have to, I can defend myself pretty well, against attackers.
    I'm not thinking of "me, me, me". I'm thinking of those who are not in as good a situation as I am. You are the one saying that your president is putting YOU through hell (though you've still never explained how). I'm thinking of others. So how is it that Liberals are the selfish ones?
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/18 14:09:21
    Tasine
    +1
    Thank you for your service - we need all the good people we can find. I have a fondness for the Army - I once served in the Army Nurse Corps - worked in the operating room. Loved it.

    Before Obamacare was passed, I had an idea that I put forward here on SH about how we could avoid the entire mess we call Obamacare, provide better health care coverage for all Americans at less cost. And it could be practically instant. I merely wanted to get some people on board with me. I suggested getting a program going whereby those who could afford it, or a group that could afford it, would "adopt" a family's health insurance coverage and help the family deal with their medical problems. A person with more money could help more than one family. I could see it happening if it could be firmed up, planned well, and presented properly by the media. I just wanted to know what people here on SH thought about it. And I found out.

    To a man, they nixed it totally without any further questions, without ideas. They had every excuse in the world as to why the "government" would be the only reliable source of help. I have to tell you that my estimate of what my fellow man really was fell about 50 points. I've never heard such negativity in my life. One disappointing thing voiced was that a ...

    Thank you for your service - we need all the good people we can find. I have a fondness for the Army - I once served in the Army Nurse Corps - worked in the operating room. Loved it.

    Before Obamacare was passed, I had an idea that I put forward here on SH about how we could avoid the entire mess we call Obamacare, provide better health care coverage for all Americans at less cost. And it could be practically instant. I merely wanted to get some people on board with me. I suggested getting a program going whereby those who could afford it, or a group that could afford it, would "adopt" a family's health insurance coverage and help the family deal with their medical problems. A person with more money could help more than one family. I could see it happening if it could be firmed up, planned well, and presented properly by the media. I just wanted to know what people here on SH thought about it. And I found out.

    To a man, they nixed it totally without any further questions, without ideas. They had every excuse in the world as to why the "government" would be the only reliable source of help. I have to tell you that my estimate of what my fellow man really was fell about 50 points. I've never heard such negativity in my life. One disappointing thing voiced was that a simple American citizen could not be relied on...whereas the GOVERNment could?!

    No conservative doesn't care! It's just that we see better ways of doing things than dumping it into the lap of a government with a lousy track record. Yes, liberals, rather progressives, are the selfish ones. I'm willing to give of me, myself. Liberals are only willing to give with other people's money. Liberals can't be bothered to give of themselves. Obviously they have much more important things to do, such as decide how much I must pay in taxes to fund their ideas.
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/18 14:18:26
    elijahin24
    I'm willing to give. I'm willing to pay higher taxes, to ensure that those who don't have health insurance, will. I'm actually eager to do this. This benefits me none at all. As I said, I'm covered.
    Here's the thing, I'm doing ok financially, but I can't afford to cover as many people as there are who need it, by myself. And if you and I each put in, we couldn't either. And if we gathered everyone who was willing to put into this, we still couldn't. And that's the problem: some people, both conservative and liberal, are not willing to give ANYTHING of themselves to help their fellow human being. I would go so far as to say that the overwhelming majority of the people who have the resources to do the most good, would not, unless there was a financial benefit to doing so. We will not see eye to eye on the value of the government. I get that, but I do believe that the government can do it in a way that is better for the American people, than can we, when counting on the benevolence of individuals. Unfortunately, the average individual, is not all that benevolent.
    Just out of curiosity, how small do you want the government to be?
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/18 15:22:54
    Tasine
    +1
    I want it to do only those things the US Constitution authorizes it to do. It has gone so far beyond that that I don't even consider it a constitutional government. It has no authority to be involved in education, in health care, in environmental issues, in management of private businesses, in shredding any parts of the constitution, in welfare, in giving our money over to the Federal Reserve, in foreign aid, in bailing out failing businesses with tax dollars, etc ad nauseum. It is deeply entrenched in all these side lines while totally ignoring the things it IS authorized to do. Our government is seriously broken and to trust it with ANYTHING is a suicide wish at best.
    I don't hate the constitutional government. I hate what corruption and ignorance has made it become.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/18 16:50:45
    elijahin24
    Do you believe it should have any authority over reproductive rights or who can marry whom?
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/18 17:28:29
    Tasine
    Individuals decide whom to marry - it's none of government's business.

    What do you consider reproductive "rights" and where did that right come from? I need to know this if you want an honest answer.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/18 17:47:46
    elijahin24
    So you believe gays should not be prohibited from marrying?
    Reproductive rights, are based on the implied right to privacy. SCOTUS determined that the government has no constitutional authority to regulate a woman's right to have a child, or not to. I'm asking you for an honest answer: If the government has no power beyond what is laid out in the Constitution, do YOU believe it has the authority to deny a woman the right to abort a pregnancy?
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/18 19:45:14
    Tasine
    I don't really care whether or not gays marry, cheat, or any other thing they want to do. I do, however, take exception to the constant drumbeat about "gays". It's getting really old, and I wish it were not a public forum. I have a right to not have it tossed in my face daily. I don't toss my sex life, sexual preferences all over the place. I don't demand special attention, and I'm tired of hearing about theirs.

    I don't think the government has the authority to either deny or demand a woman abort a pregnancy. BTW, rights are those things we are born with. Our government can make things LEGAL or illegal, but can neither grant nor deny rights.

    However, believing that killing an unborn, and sometimes just born child is in fact murder, I believe the government does have the legal right to set sentencing on those who commit murder. You may argue a fetus is not a human, and when you do, I'll ask at what point can a person be declared dead, and usually that point is when they no longer have a heartbeat or brain activity. Fetus has heartbeat at 4 months, and brain activity somewhere around there if I am not mistaken. So if heartbeat and brain activity indicate a living human for legality's sake, I take it to mean the baby beyond 4 months has the same rights. It has a func...
    I don't really care whether or not gays marry, cheat, or any other thing they want to do. I do, however, take exception to the constant drumbeat about "gays". It's getting really old, and I wish it were not a public forum. I have a right to not have it tossed in my face daily. I don't toss my sex life, sexual preferences all over the place. I don't demand special attention, and I'm tired of hearing about theirs.

    I don't think the government has the authority to either deny or demand a woman abort a pregnancy. BTW, rights are those things we are born with. Our government can make things LEGAL or illegal, but can neither grant nor deny rights.

    However, believing that killing an unborn, and sometimes just born child is in fact murder, I believe the government does have the legal right to set sentencing on those who commit murder. You may argue a fetus is not a human, and when you do, I'll ask at what point can a person be declared dead, and usually that point is when they no longer have a heartbeat or brain activity. Fetus has heartbeat at 4 months, and brain activity somewhere around there if I am not mistaken. So if heartbeat and brain activity indicate a living human for legality's sake, I take it to mean the baby beyond 4 months has the same rights. It has a functioning brain, body movement, can react to stimuli, and a beating heart with blood pumping through its body. What in others' thinking makes that a non-human? Everyone is born with a right to life. We have killed more babies in the US in fewer years than it took Hitler to masacre fewer people in Germany. We are REALLLLY "progressive", aren't we? Yep, we are really refined and "with it". Macabre best describes us.
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/18 22:54:49
    elijahin24
    On the topic of gay rights; I think your point would be well taken, if it were not for the fact that they ARE denied a basic right, by our government. You may be tired of hearing about it, but not nearly as tired as they are of having to live as 2nd class citizens. And until that problem is corrected, you might as well get used to hearing about it; because they aren't going away.
    On abortion: Let me start by saying abortion is tragic. I don't know when life begins, and neither does anyone else, because it's subjective. Is it conception? Is it a heart-beat? Is it the ability to survive non-symbiotically? Is it the first breath? Everyone has their own opinion of when that life actually begins, and most of the time, that opinion is based more on the persons political ideology, than it is on medical science. But even if life doesn't begin until the moment of the first breath, I still think abortion is tragic; and that we should be trying to make it less common than it is. I'm betting we can agree on that. Unfortunately, I'm equally certain that that is the only thing about this discussion on which we agree.
    The anti-choice people in this country are eager to fight for the good of the unborn; but they also tend to be adamantly opposed, and sometimes violently so; to fight for the goo...




    On the topic of gay rights; I think your point would be well taken, if it were not for the fact that they ARE denied a basic right, by our government. You may be tired of hearing about it, but not nearly as tired as they are of having to live as 2nd class citizens. And until that problem is corrected, you might as well get used to hearing about it; because they aren't going away.
    On abortion: Let me start by saying abortion is tragic. I don't know when life begins, and neither does anyone else, because it's subjective. Is it conception? Is it a heart-beat? Is it the ability to survive non-symbiotically? Is it the first breath? Everyone has their own opinion of when that life actually begins, and most of the time, that opinion is based more on the persons political ideology, than it is on medical science. But even if life doesn't begin until the moment of the first breath, I still think abortion is tragic; and that we should be trying to make it less common than it is. I'm betting we can agree on that. Unfortunately, I'm equally certain that that is the only thing about this discussion on which we agree.
    The anti-choice people in this country are eager to fight for the good of the unborn; but they also tend to be adamantly opposed, and sometimes violently so; to fight for the good of the woman carrying that fetus/child. There are two ways in which this opposition is manifested.
    First, there is the opposition to the woman who honestly has a need for an abortion. This might be for medical reasons, or it might be psychological ones. If a woman or girl is pregnant as the result of rape or molestation; it is very common for the anti-abortion crowd to say, "that sucks, but you should make the most of it." For some, that isn't an option. When every pound you gain, every morning-sickness, every look in the mirror; causes you to flash-back to the single worst night of your life, there are times when it's either an abortion, or suicide. Where is the compassion for a girl who has been through something awful? Why doesn't SHE matter as much as the unborn?
    The 2nd way that this manifests; is in the ways we try to cut the number of abortions taking place. Liberals look at the reasons women choose to have abortions, and try to address them. For many, if not most, it is because they are young, and they won't be able to raise a child and finish school. Their life has effectively been decided by one moment. Maybe it was her choice, and she made the wrong one. But even a child who commits a crime, has the record expunged when they turn 18. Where is the compassion for this girl? If the government offered a day-care system, so that the mother could go to school, it would help tremendously with that problem. But that would be another thing for the government to do, and we can't have that, can we?
    Another reason, is that they feel that they can't afford the costs associated with raising a child, but again, Conservatives just hate the program which helps with that: welfare.
    Maybe the greatest thing we could do to prevent abortions, is to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they start, through effective sex-education, and by providing contraceptives and condoms. But once again, Conservatives hate that too; because they feel it promotes sex. Odd really how the highest per-capita teen-pregnancy rates; occur on states which think abstinence-only education, counts as sex-ed.
    The fact is that abortion was illegal for many years in this country; and yet, abortions were fairly common. Calling it "murder", and those who have had one "murderers"; will not prevent abortions from taking place now, any more than it did prior to 1973. It will only force them to go underground, and do it in ways that endanger their own lives as well. I'm all for preventing abortions from taking place, but making a law against it, isn't the answer. And if you're going to make the government go THAT far outside of the Constitution; why not go far enough outside of it, to actually do some good?
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  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/19 01:43:30
    Tasine
    Don't have but a minute or two, but wanted to respond to a couple of things you've said.
    "This might be for medical reasons, or it might be psychological ones. If a woman or girl is pregnant as the result of rape or molestation; it is very common for the anti-abortion crowd to say, "that sucks, but you should make the most of it." For some, that isn't an option. "

    I am sure there are some rabid people who might say this, but I've never met anyone who said that sucks, live with it, when a woman was pregnant as a result of rape or incest. And I live with and among conservative, church attending people, some more didactic than others, but never have a heard a callous comment about that. I don't disbelieve you, just have never experienced it, and don't believe it is widespread within the US, perhaps in certain areas it exists. Conservatives do not hate the Family Planning clinics, though they do disfavor them more now that abortion is wholesale. The ONLY business it is of anybody else is when tax dollars are used to perform a procedure that the taxpayer is opposed to, and that is also the issue with welfare. I've heard thousands of conservatives say, "do what you want, but don't use my money to pay for it". I consider that a superbly righteous and understandable stance. And ...









    Don't have but a minute or two, but wanted to respond to a couple of things you've said.
    "This might be for medical reasons, or it might be psychological ones. If a woman or girl is pregnant as the result of rape or molestation; it is very common for the anti-abortion crowd to say, "that sucks, but you should make the most of it." For some, that isn't an option. "

    I am sure there are some rabid people who might say this, but I've never met anyone who said that sucks, live with it, when a woman was pregnant as a result of rape or incest. And I live with and among conservative, church attending people, some more didactic than others, but never have a heard a callous comment about that. I don't disbelieve you, just have never experienced it, and don't believe it is widespread within the US, perhaps in certain areas it exists. Conservatives do not hate the Family Planning clinics, though they do disfavor them more now that abortion is wholesale. The ONLY business it is of anybody else is when tax dollars are used to perform a procedure that the taxpayer is opposed to, and that is also the issue with welfare. I've heard thousands of conservatives say, "do what you want, but don't use my money to pay for it". I consider that a superbly righteous and understandable stance. And the left goes viral when someone demands HIS money not be used the way the left WANTS it used. It's the stance I have. In my eyes, abortions on demand without cause other than convenience, ARE murder, but my government takes my money at the point of a gun and uses it to pay for millions of babies to be killed? Where is this "fairness" the left spends so much time talking about? It seems "fairness" to them merely means having their way 100% of the time.
    Within the United States:
    Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
    Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

    Why women have abortions
    1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

    source: http://abortionno.org/Resourc...

    Gotta run - could talk all night, but have other priorities at this time. Have a great week!!
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/19 02:33:35
    elijahin24
    Where have people gotten this idea that taxes are ONLY to be spent on things you like? Lots of people don't like tanks, or wars on third-world country. Even more don't like Congress or the President (not just this one, but any). Our say in how our taxes are spent is limited to our elections. But almost NOTHING that our tax dollars are spent upon, is approved by everyone. But if they are not contrary to the Constitution, and our elected officials have voted to approve it; that's the way it is. You have every right to voice your protest; but to say that something shouldn't be, just because you don't want your tax dollars spent upon it; is a pretty weak argument.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/19 14:18:40
    Tasine
    I'm saying it shouldn't be because the Constitution does not give that mandate to the FEDERAL government. The feds have no business in health care, in family planning, in what goes on in bedrooms, etc. NO BUSINESS. Almost everything our federal government does is actually unconstitutional, unless ones does "selective reading" and decides for himself what the various words in the constitution actually mean vs what everyone KNOWS they mean.

    As to everyone liking or not liking what our tax dollars are spent on, I agree totally with you. Some hate war, no matter what the circumstances. Some hate the EPA. Some hate for churches to be tax exempt. And I've offered a soluition that should satisfy everyone and reduce the budget as well.

    I propose making federal taxes voluntary, with each taxpayer supporting those issues he wants to see his money used for, and by law the feds MUST use it that way.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/19 14:55:25
    elijahin24
    What you're proposing is the disolution of the United States of America. Voluntary taxes sound swell, until you realize that if you do that, we're gonna be funding our entire federal budget, with less money than the Lakers are paying Kobe Bryant, per year.
    The thing about your idea that the only power of government, is what the Constitution mandates; is that it isn't realistic. The Constitution was designed with 13 states in mind, in a very closed-off world. It wasn't written for a nation of nearly 300 million people, and a global economy. The way that it is able to stay relevant, is through Article V, which makes it a living document, and through the recognition that the primary functions of the Constitution, with regards to the government; are to compartmentalize it and assign responsibility, and to limit its power. But those limits are specifically laid out, they are not denied by omission. And it's a good thing. Otherwise, this Constitution could never have survived past the Great Depression.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/19 15:19:29
    Tasine
    "Voluntary taxes sound swell, until you realize that if you do that, we're gonna be funding our entire federal budget, with less money than the Lakers are paying Kobe Bryant, per year. " Nothing but an assumption on your part. Human beings are not cheap and selfish - but selfishness has been so overused by politicians and people demanding to have things go their way, accusing all who disagreej "selfish and mean", that to be sure THEY have won the battle, but they haven't yet won the war.

    I find people most generous - when their money is not being demanded at the end of a gun barrel, which is what IRS represents. If I see a need, I support it without being asked. So does practically everyone I know. I believe we are so entrenched in doing things the same old way that we are afraid, haven't the guts, to break away from it - out of FEAR, not because the current way has been proven best.

    Voluntary income taxation cannot possibly be called "disolution of the United States of America". It is what we once had.

    As to "The thing about your idea that the only power of government, is what the Constitution mandates; is that it isn't realistic." NOW who is it proposing disolution of the United States of America? You assume our founders were so stupid as to think they were writing for ...
    "Voluntary taxes sound swell, until you realize that if you do that, we're gonna be funding our entire federal budget, with less money than the Lakers are paying Kobe Bryant, per year. " Nothing but an assumption on your part. Human beings are not cheap and selfish - but selfishness has been so overused by politicians and people demanding to have things go their way, accusing all who disagreej "selfish and mean", that to be sure THEY have won the battle, but they haven't yet won the war.

    I find people most generous - when their money is not being demanded at the end of a gun barrel, which is what IRS represents. If I see a need, I support it without being asked. So does practically everyone I know. I believe we are so entrenched in doing things the same old way that we are afraid, haven't the guts, to break away from it - out of FEAR, not because the current way has been proven best.

    Voluntary income taxation cannot possibly be called "disolution of the United States of America". It is what we once had.

    As to "The thing about your idea that the only power of government, is what the Constitution mandates; is that it isn't realistic." NOW who is it proposing disolution of the United States of America? You assume our founders were so stupid as to think they were writing for a nation, where people would be free, that would remain static, never grow, never develop corrupt officials. I don't believe such is the case. Either we live under the constitution or it is a free-for-all which is being done as we speak BECAUSE enough people who have learned to write have a mantra that is repeated and repeated and repeated until (the plan goes) we will all accept it as truth - that the Constitution was written long ago when the country was small and things were different then. It WAS small and things WERE different then, but the Constitution is ageless and will work for any country that abides by it. Only when it is tinkered with and "interpreted", does it lose any of its effectiveness.
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  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/19 15:53:08
    elijahin24
    You're putting words in my mouth. I never said the founders were stupid. Quite the contrary, I think that by making the Constitution a living document, which could adapt to a changing world, they were genius. And I think that we insult them, by refusing to adapt in the ways that they, themselves laid out the option for us to do.
    Again, small groups of people are generous, and individuals in a large group are generous to a degree. They might make a donation to the MDA, or to this cause or that cause; but anyone who works for a non-profit, will tell you that donations plummet during a recession. Because, for obvious reasons, people ultimately will look out for themselves. That's just reality. Nobody is gonna volunteer to give thousands of dollars per year to the government, especially when that government is led by the opposite party; and that will always be the case for about 1/3 of the country.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/19 16:05:21
    Tasine
    Have you considered that during a recession, people SHOULD be able to keep all the money they earn so that they can feed their families? Why should government be more important to them than their children? A DECENT government would see to it that it cut its expenses to the bone during a recession to enable people to keep what they can for their own uses. What we have been seeing is our politicians having fun, traveling (usually on our dimes), golfing, vacationing - and some of our people cannot afford a vacation or even a movie.

    I think you have made my case for me better than I could ever make it. Government is a glutton, people don't voluntarily support it, people have been brainwashed to see it as THE answer to all life's problems, and corruption has never been the answer to any of life's problems.

    It is money and power that corrupt - we can remove that from our government if we have the guts to do it.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/19 17:44:17
    elijahin24
    I think you're so brainwashed to hate the government that you have an unreasonable standard of what should go on. I want my president to take vacations. Congress too. I want him to play golf now and then. The person in this office has the weight of the world on his shoulders. One bad move by that person could cause us to go to war. If he spends every waking moment (which frankly are most of them) focused on all of his responsibilities, he'll have a nervous break-down. He needs to be able to go swing a club and look at beautiful scenery every now and then.
    Yes, power and money DO corrupt. But it is also the power and money that keep our nation going. It's a hard line to walk, but one which we MUST walk. That's why we have elections, so that we can have the opportunity to toss out the ones who ARE becoming drunk on that power and money.
  • Tasine elijahin24 2012/06/19 22:53:53
    Tasine
    Good speech. Off base, but a good speech. I'm not brainwashed and I don't hate my government - I am sorely mad at the incompetents we elect to run that government, and I have every right, MORE than every right to yell like hell when they waste the dollars I and the rest of America could put to MUCH better use. If you think they do a great job, you may be getting your and MY money's worth. I'm NOT, and I wager MOST taxpayers don't.
  • elijahin24 Tasine 2012/06/20 00:19:31
    elijahin24
    Hating the government, or the "incompetents we elect to run that government" is a distinction without a difference. And you absolutely have the right to yell like hell; but it won't change anything. We're never going to return to the anarchist dream of the Libertarians.
  • classic elijahin24 2012/06/21 13:29:42
    classic
    The Constitution was designed for the times.. Times have changed and some things in the constitution do not hold true for the people of today.. Some people think there are things in the constitution that actually are not in it.. Marriage, God, and health care, are not in the Constitution...
  • classic Tasine 2012/06/21 13:26:15
    classic
    Bush was an Asshat....
  • classic Tasine 2012/06/21 13:25:18
    classic
    Some pencil pusher somewhere is already deciding what can happen to you medically.. Dont fool youself into thinking the dont..
  • classic elijahin24 2012/06/21 13:24:02
  • elijahin24 classic 2012/06/21 13:56:54
    elijahin24
    I know.
  • Sew Tasine 2012/06/21 02:52:07
    Sew
    I assure you I feel neither worry nor guilt. That type of arrogance is what earns Christians the hate they recieve. Despite having no proof for you god you claim it to be the only real one amid literally millions, many which came before it. All others are wrong and yours is right completely ignoring that yours is just a patchwork creation of those that came before it.
  • Vijay Pawar 2012/06/16 13:08:49
    They don't.
    Vijay Pawar
    This is a wrong notion that Christians have in them. Chuck it out till it is in the brains don't let it sink in the Sub -Concious, As if it multiplies you can experiance bad replication, its incidance worst.
  • Missile 2012/06/16 13:05:35
    Because..
    Missile
    +1
    People hate what they don't understand, doesn't have to be just christianity, can be anything.
  • classic Missile 2012/06/16 14:20:44
    classic
    +1
    Maybe it is because they understand,,, ever think of that?? Why do christians aways use the Dodge, "You dont understand" Like they do??? BS....
  • Missile classic 2012/06/16 14:39:32
    Missile
    Tha't not what I meant, but if thats how you want to run with it.... be my guest.!
  • Tasine classic 2012/06/16 15:16:27
    Tasine
    Christians possibly use the "dodge", "You don't understand" because they know you don't. I'm not Christian and I know you don't understand them or their faith.
  • classic Tasine 2012/06/16 15:29:27
    classic
    +1
    I graduated from the Baptist Seminary in Louisville Ky.. Dont tell me I dont understand.. I understand jibberish when I see it... Logic and common sense should tell any sane person .. The seminary just taught me how phony it all was..
    Religion is for the Gullible.. I am happy I found out when I did....
  • Tasine classic 2012/06/16 16:12:12
    Tasine
    Religion isn't my thing - it is YOUR thing. Maybe you could tell me how did you find out in the seminary how Christianity is phony? Seems a strange place to learn such.
  • classic Tasine 2012/06/16 15:48:55
    classic
    +1
    OH! I dont understand but they do???LMAO

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