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Why did Jesus tell his disciples He would return in their lifetime?

Sunnydaydreamer 2012/10/14 19:05:20
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  • Cookielane 2012/10/15 17:30:24
    Cookielane
    +1
    I don't believe he was speaking to them, per se. I know they perceived it to be that way, as has every generation since.
  • Tiger Lily Cookielane 2012/10/16 04:19:32
    Tiger Lily
    +1
    more christian rhetoric to explain the inconsistancies in the bible.
  • Cookielane Tiger Lily 2012/10/16 10:52:27
    Cookielane
    Have you ever read the Bible?
  • Tiger Lily Cookielane 2012/10/21 23:25:06
    Tiger Lily
    Many times. However, the majority of christians have not. I have studied religions, history, science and archeology and philosophy for over 30 years. There is very little in christianity that is unique or original.
  • Cookielane Tiger Lily 2012/10/22 14:50:40
    Cookielane
    Of course not - it's two thousand years old! But i don't think the Bible is inconsistant. I think people just leave a lot out. Or read what makes them feel good.
  • Fran-Halen 2012/10/15 13:48:41
    Fran-Halen
    +1
    I believe that's how the scriptures worded Jesus about his " second coming"...But, I am no theologian.
  • Fariborz-Zak 2012/10/15 05:59:05
    Fariborz-Zak
    Jesus never leave u alone
  • Catch224u 2012/10/15 00:52:49
    Catch224u
    Did he really ?
  • Lordphoton999 *AFCL* 2012/10/15 00:10:54
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    Jesus never said that.
  • KeithL Lordpho... 2012/10/15 15:18:56 (edited)
  • Lordpho... KeithL 2012/10/16 00:13:06
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    +1
    I stand corrected, was very late when I answered that.
    This is what it means...
    Matthew 16:28 states, "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Parallel passages are found in Mark 9:1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

    The key is found in what immediately follows each of these verses. Jesus calls Peter, James, and John, takes them up to a high mountain and is transfigured before them while Moses and Elijah come down to discuss His coming death. Consider the things that point to this being the event Jesus referred to in Matthew 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    Jesus "was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light" (Matthew 17:2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

    This matches the glorified appearance of Christ in Revelation 1:13-18 [13]
    where "his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength"
    This is a very ...



    I stand corrected, was very late when I answered that.
    This is what it means...
    Matthew 16:28 states, "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Parallel passages are found in Mark 9:1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

    The key is found in what immediately follows each of these verses. Jesus calls Peter, James, and John, takes them up to a high mountain and is transfigured before them while Moses and Elijah come down to discuss His coming death. Consider the things that point to this being the event Jesus referred to in Matthew 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    Jesus "was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light" (Matthew 17:2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

    This matches the glorified appearance of Christ in Revelation 1:13-18 [13]
    where "his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength"
    This is a very powerful statement. They saw the glorified Christ. They saw Him as King of Kings.
    This too points to the presence and glory of God in fullness and power.
    Jesus told them not to tell of the vision until He had risen from the dead (Matthew 17:9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

    Ths vision was not for the time that Jesus walked on the earth before His crucifixion. It was a glimpse of His coming kingdom.
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  • judge 2012/10/14 21:01:29
    judge
    Didn't say He would return in their lifetime, only in like manner.

    Acts 1:11-14
    King James Version (KJV)
    11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
  • judge judge 2012/10/14 21:29:06
    judge
    +3
    Another idea might be, John when he wrote Revelation, "was in the isle that is called Patmos when he saw a vision of the future of the Lord's second coming, which is recorded in the book of Revelation". John had to see it to record it.
  • Sunnyda... judge 2012/10/15 02:13:19
  • Clay Sl... judge 2012/10/15 13:52:39
    Clay Slayer
    +2
    Lets not pick and choose.. put it all out there. how about this one from the bible..

    Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
  • judge Clay Sl... 2012/10/15 15:35:17 (edited)
    judge
    People's New Testament
    16:28 Shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man. The reference is not to his final coming to judge the world, but to his spiritual coming to establish his kingdom. This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. Mark shows the meaning by substituting, Till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (Mr 9:1). The coming of the Son of man in his kingdom means, therefore, the same as the kingdom of God come with power. Compare Ac 1:8 Lu 24:49. The kingdom came with power on the day of Pentecost (Ac 2:1).

    Jesus said He and the Father were one, He and the HS would also be one. The trinity, one God three parts.

    at most, was but an emblem and a pledge of his future glory: rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see,

    http://bible.cc/matthew/16-28...
    People will often judge far more correctly about natural than about spiritual things, Matthew 16:1-3. In respect to natural objects they are watchful. In them they f...
    People's New Testament
    16:28 Shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man. The reference is not to his final coming to judge the world, but to his spiritual coming to establish his kingdom. This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. Mark shows the meaning by substituting, Till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (Mr 9:1). The coming of the Son of man in his kingdom means, therefore, the same as the kingdom of God come with power. Compare Ac 1:8 Lu 24:49. The kingdom came with power on the day of Pentecost (Ac 2:1).

    Jesus said He and the Father were one, He and the HS would also be one. The trinity, one God three parts.

    at most, was but an emblem and a pledge of his future glory: rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see,

    http://bible.cc/matthew/16-28...
    People will often judge far more correctly about natural than about spiritual things, Matthew 16:1-3. In respect to natural objects they are watchful. In them they feel a deep interest, and they watch for every sign that may affect their interest. They are too much concerned to judge falsely. But they feel no such interest in religious things. Hence, it happens that people who have good sense and much wisdom in regard to worldly concerns, are often exceedingly foolish in regard to religion. They believe reports respecting religion, revivals, and missions, which they would despise on any other subject. They read and believe newspapers and other publications, which they would hold in contempt on any other topic but religion. They give a degree of weight to arguments against the Bible, and against the doctrines of the gospel, to which they would attach little or no importance on any other subject. They sustain themselves in infidelity by arguments which they would regard as of no force if the same kind of reasoning was urged in defense of anything else.
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  • Clay Sl... judge 2012/10/15 15:45:04
    Clay Slayer
    +2
    Yeah! I know, it never means what it actually says.. same old dodge. Twist it however, the words still say the same thing... This Fabled story of Jesus meant that the end times were near... The writers of the bible say he preached this theory.. No one will ever know, as the writers of the bible never ever met this Jesus.. They wrote their stories on hearsay...and many were copies of mythology ...
  • judge Clay Sl... 2012/10/15 15:57:50
    judge
    "the end times were near", however the dispensation of Grace in which salvation goes out to all had not been prophesied. If the devil had known what would be accomplished by the death of Christ, he would not have crucified Him. When this dispensation of grace to all is over, judgment is surely the next thing on the prophetic calender.
    Holy men of God wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
  • judge Clay Sl... 2012/10/22 01:26:58 (edited)
    judge
    Paul prosecuted the church before he met Jesus and was converted and wrote the part of the Bible to this generation. Romans through Philemon. apostle paul s conversion
    "and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:"
  • Tiger Lily judge 2012/10/16 04:23:48
    Tiger Lily
    Yes he did

    Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
  • judge Tiger Lily 2012/10/17 05:46:06
    judge
    Maybe,
    "By ‘generation’ here He means the whole human race, and the Jews in particular. And He adds, ‘Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away,’ to confirm their faith in what has gone before; as though He had said, it is easier to destroy things solid and immovable, than that aught should fail of my words."
    The context of the Olivet Discourse leads us to believe that Jesus was speaking either of the offspring of Jacob (the Jews), the generation of God's children, or of a future generation among us he had just addressed. Alternatively, genetai may be translated "begin to happen" in Matthew 24 34.
    We will have to ask Him when we see Him.
  • Tiger Lily judge 2012/10/21 23:27:09
    Tiger Lily
    That is not the accepted definition of generation then or now.

    You cannot just conveniently change the meaning of words just to suit what you want because a prediction did not happen. This is exactly what religions do to deny the truth.
  • judge Tiger Lily 2012/10/22 01:20:31
    judge
    I don't have all the answers, but faith in Jesus works for me.
  • judge Tiger Lily 2012/10/22 01:34:46
    judge
    It is good that you believe in the 6 days of creation, since the vegetation created one day would have died before the sun was created if it were longer.
  • wtw 2012/10/14 21:01:00
    wtw
    +1
    He didn't say their lifetime!
  • Clay Sl... wtw 2012/10/15 13:53:03
    Clay Slayer
    +2
    Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
  • Tiger Lily wtw 2012/10/16 04:24:24
    Tiger Lily
    Yes he did

    Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
  • Horace 2012/10/14 20:28:02
    Horace
    Jesus is God and God returned in the form of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.
  • Tiger Lily Horace 2012/10/16 04:24:54
    Tiger Lily
    That is NOT what the scripture says.
  • Horace Tiger Lily 2012/10/17 02:47:49
    Horace
    In what sense? The entirety of Jesus's prophecy was fulfilled by Him rising from the dead and now He has returned to us in the form of the Holy Spirit to see that we pass the Word unto others. He has come again and the Holy Spirit judges us all worthy or unworthy to join Him in heaven, living or dead.
  • Tiger Lily Horace 2012/10/21 23:28:25
    Tiger Lily
    There is absolutely no proof that he was dead. Stories do not create reality
  • Horace Tiger Lily 2012/10/21 23:47:22
    Horace
    There is no proof that Augustus Caesar died when we historically said he did, besides the fact that someone wrote it in a history book. In fact the vast majority of our historical reality comes directly from second hand resources, that does not mean that they didn't happen. If you are looking for empirical medical evidence from 2000 years ago than your out of luck but that does not make it a story.
  • judge Tiger Lily 2012/10/22 01:41:10
    judge
    With no moral compass, do you live a lifestyle of doing whatever you choose? Do you believe only one life, grab for all the gusto, do whatever you can and stay out of jail? What is your guiding light? Do you believe, "if there really is a God, your life has been good enough to get you to heaven?"
  • Sunnyda... Horace 2012/10/16 04:29:28
  • say what? 2012/10/14 20:21:58
    say what?
    Maybe the day of the Pentecost was the day his spirit returned. Otherwise we have people among us over 2000 years old.
  • Ahmedinestein 2012/10/14 20:15:55
    Ahmedinestein
    Perhaps he was telling them that his teachings would take hold in their lifetime, through their ministry?
  • ♥☆ ـــاطمةfēmàłėفـــــ☆♥
    +1
    It is the God's plan for this world.
  • Tiger Lily ♥☆ ـــا... 2012/10/16 04:26:00
    Tiger Lily
    There is no plan, no one has ever seen a plan, no one knows what the plan is. Christians have made that up and they lied about it for centuries.
  • JustBeingAtPeace 2012/10/14 19:25:08
    JustBeingAtPeace
    +1
    I may be wrong but many believe that we do not "die" but go into a deep rest to be awakened by God to enter heaven?
  • MarinerFH 2012/10/14 19:19:11

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