Why did God punish Adam and Eve when neither had the knowledge that what they did was wrong (evil)?
kir
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Anyone who has read the bible past the first few pages knows that the knowledge of good and evil were withheld from Adam and Eve and indeed it was their eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil that caused them to be expelled from paradise.
If you're not familiar with it here's the deal.
Good created paradise for man. Yet he creates in paradise this one temptation, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God tells man not to eat of the tree's fruit.
Eve, who was deceived by the serpent did so anyway and also gave some of the fruit to Adam. Yet, while she may have been told not to, she had no concept of right and wrong without the knowledge of good and evil.
So why would a loving God punish Adam and Eve?
If you're not familiar with it here's the deal.
Good created paradise for man. Yet he creates in paradise this one temptation, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God tells man not to eat of the tree's fruit.
Eve, who was deceived by the serpent did so anyway and also gave some of the fruit to Adam. Yet, while she may have been told not to, she had no concept of right and wrong without the knowledge of good and evil.
So why would a loving God punish Adam and Eve?
Try to view this thing positively! If Eve didn't do it we would have been ignorant!
LOL!!!
OOOOPPPPPSSSS!!!!
I meant "God is Great!"
you don't get it when someone's kidding huh?
Adam and Eve were TOLD not to eat of that tree. They KNEW that they were not allowed to eat from that tree.
Don't we treat minors differently for that very reason?
being the complete truth. Driving the couple out of the Garden was NOT
punishment. It was for their protection, for their ultimate good.
Driving them out of the Garden was the most loving and merciful thing
that God could do for His highest earthly creation. He drove them out to salvage them.
There was nothing "wrong in the Garden" , but had the two stayed in the Garden
things would have gone "from bad to worst". They would have eventually "eaten"
of the Tree of Life, and they would then have lived forever in their "fallen" state
with no chance of ever being restored to fellowship with God.
Even in this case (even from an Atheistic point of view), your thought could be right!
than mankind is now.
However, God's plan is NOT beyond our understanding. Yes, I know, there was not
a choice given that really fits. I selected "Undecided" and I am certainly not undecided.
with God. And they also began to die physically.
Punishment or effect?
If parents tell a kid not to do drugs because they can be harmful, maybe even kill you, yet that kid goes out and does a bunch of blow, overdoses and dies, would you think/say that the parents punished the kid with a sentence of death? Or would you think/say that the kid should have listened to his parents?
Perhaps -prior to the knowledge of good and bad ( I think proper translations of the Bible use the word "bad" not evil) things just "were," as in "To be / being" - Originally,Adam and Eve's minds were not trapped in a state of duality where up is needed to define down, left to define right, start to define end, or good to define bad,,, things just were. Perhaps it is in the absence of duality you can step into the eternal ( without beginning or end ) and just "Be" -
God created paradise for man? Why would Jah put the tree of knowledge in it?
Maybe the better question - - - was it Jah's intention to have creation serve man, or man serve creation? Man in his ignorant and arrogant state assumes creation is there to serve him, but I believe the Bible says it is man who is there to serve creation.
In regards to the knowledge of good and bad, one thing is certain, man still cannot handle it.
Did God put man there for the sake of Creation?
Also, at 325AD, there was only one Christian Institution, the Church of Rome. In 1054 the Byzantine part split off to become the (Eastern) Orthodox Church. There were three competing Popes in the late 14th century. Come 1516, the Reformation quickly split the Catholic part into a few dozen (Luther, Calvin etc.). By the 1800's this became hundreds with the 2nd Great Awakening (Mormon, JW, 7th Day etc).
Now, in the Information Age, it's estimated[?] that there are now some 30,000 distinct Christian sects globally. Same story with Islam (Sunni, Shia, Wahabbi etc.), Buddhism (Theravada, Mahayana etc.) yada yada yada.
It looks like the BABBLE PROCESS is still underway
Notable exception being Mystical (I myself use Sufism, Carl Jung, Quantum Mechanics etc.) types being that They knew their Info was incomplete &/or apocryphal.
I also 'glean' conventional Spiritualism from my volunteer work at Presbyterian, ...&&
Also, at 325AD, there was only one Christian Institution, the Church of Rome. In 1054 the Byzantine part split off to become the (Eastern) Orthodox Church. There were three competing Popes in the late 14th century. Come 1516, the Reformation quickly split the Catholic part into a few dozen (Luther, Calvin etc.). By the 1800's this became hundreds with the 2nd Great Awakening (Mormon, JW, 7th Day etc).
Now, in the Information Age, it's estimated[?] that there are now some 30,000 distinct Christian sects globally. Same story with Islam (Sunni, Shia, Wahabbi etc.), Buddhism (Theravada, Mahayana etc.) yada yada yada.
It looks like the BABBLE PROCESS is still underway
Notable exception being Mystical (I myself use Sufism, Carl Jung, Quantum Mechanics etc.) types being that They knew their Info was incomplete &/or apocryphal.
I also 'glean' conventional Spiritualism from my volunteer work at Presbyterian, United, Pentecostal & two independent Protestant Churches. Frequent 2 Sufi & a Buddhist place too.
You could say I'm "Hedging my Bets".
Here's a YouTube video describing my rationale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
In re: the Babel reference, not coincidentally I suppose, one of my favorite ways to limn the Internet is with the phrase "the Electronic Tower of Babel."
I'm also a right-brain dominant (but can oscillate rapidly) Asperger's which means my thinking tends to be scattered (working from the periphery in) so much of my Logic is strange to most.
I'm also a Compatibalist:
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function" - F. Scott Fitzgerald.
I tend to favor being in Cognitive Dissonance rather than DoubleThink.
If you're game, I'm willing to try out out the Enneagram. Since my "Spiritual Awakening" (Gnostic Atheist prior, now Agnostic Theist) a couple years ago, I've been doing intense Depth Psychology (on my own & with a pro bono Gestalt Psychologist) on myself as well as being a Seeker. Need to retrieve a Briggs-Myers, think it said I'm an Architect (damned to vacillate between Engineer & Artist).
You've been warned, but you've noted a Synchronism (Jung) with Babylon…
If a person goes to Hell, it won';t be because God "threw" him there. but he will have
gone on his own accord.
precisely how I would define religion. Words have different meanings to different people and that is one reason people disagree.
And, in disagreements one can learn.
If we got along only with those with whom we always agree, we
wouldn't be getting along with anyone.
is the ONLY way of salvation, that I am religious and therefore irrational, but not spiritual?
God is perfectly Holy. He hates sin more than anything else. Sin
is totally contrary to His nature. So even though He wants all people
to be forever in His presence, He can not allow sin in His presence.
A person in sin is separated from God, that is, they are spiritually
dead. We all have a sin nature, and therefore we can not make ourselves perfect or sinless. But God made provisions for us to be acceptable to God. The penalty for sin has to be paid, and Jesus,
the eternal Divine, sinless Son of God came and died for us. That is,
He paid the penalty for sin, and if we accept His death as payment
for our sin, God will see us as sinless, because He accepts Jesus'
death as payment for us. And when God looks at us He sees
the perfection of His Son.
When we accepted Jesus, the Holy Spirit came to live permanently in
us and is our teacher and guide. As we study God's word, we
become more and more certain that we are in the family of God,
and that there is no way we can ever get unborn.
Since no human but Jesus is perfect, no one could pay the penalty
for us that God would accept.
If God thinks it's a good idea to create a setup that forces his followers to go all over the world and force others to change their beliefs, then honestly God is seriously screwed up.
come from?
That God is Sovereign over you is offensive to you isn't it?