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Who do Jews consider to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs: the Chinese Hong Xiuquan who claimed to be the younger brother of Jesus and caused the death of 20 million people - or Jesus of Nazareth?

holyheretic 2012/06/04 09:10:00
Jews consider the Chinese Hong Xiuquan to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
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  • TwentyBeauties 2012/06/04 20:46:12 (edited)
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
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    Hong Xiuquan did a remarkable job. If the British and French had aided him instead of the Manchu emperor, southern China could have been separated as a Christian country. Maybe as four countries for Cantonese, Fukienese, Hakka and Zhuang dominated areas, able to use their own languages instead of northern ("Mandarin") Chinese. A modernized (Westernized?) southern China could have had a large impact on Asian and world history.
    chinese modernized westernized southern china large impact asian world history
    Click on map to enlarge, twice to supersize.
    See the area where southern Chinese languages (green) and Zhuang (orange) are spoken. Min = Fukienese, Yue = Cantonese (Fukienese is also the main language of Taiwan and of large overseas communities like in Vietnam and the Philippines.)
    The Jewish community in China was concentrated in Ningxia province in the north central area, surrounded by Hui (Muslim Chinese), far from these southern Chinese areas.

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  • misterz 2012/07/27 17:41:52
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
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    Fiction, but it stuck. pure fiction
  • holyher... misterz 2012/07/27 18:32:35
  • RogerCoppock 2012/07/26 02:18:08
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    Before this SodaHead question, i had never heard of Hong Xiuquan.
  • holyher... RogerCo... 2012/07/26 02:25:45
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/11 18:14:10
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    Not being Jewish, I have no idea who they would consider the most damaging of false Messiahs. I suspect they probably don't consider either damaging to their faith.
  • holyher... ehrhornp 2012/06/11 18:38:17
  • RosaLuxemburg 2012/06/11 05:22:33
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    Simon bar Kokhba. Only anointed messiah.
  • holyher... RosaLux... 2012/06/11 05:55:41 (edited)
  • Jim 2012/06/08 01:30:49
    Jews consider the Chinese Hong Xiuquan to be the most damaging of all false M...
    Jim
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    In Wikipedia, Hong Xiuquan is listed first in the list of Prominent Hakkas.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Famous Hakkas include Sun Yat Sen and Deng Xiaoping were also Hakka.
    An interesting book on the Hakka is "Hakka People: Jews of the Orient"
    This article on a Hakka state established by Hakkas who migrated to Borneo is interesting for comparison. http://www.asiawind.com/hakka...
  • holyher... Jim 2012/06/08 06:56:20
  • cosmicventure 2012/06/05 00:33:29
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    Anyone who is declared or declares his or herself a Messiah is most damaging. It's all a part of the biggest scam in recent history. To know that in these times that so many still fall for such a superstition that has been found so inaccurate and misleading many times over is scary. yo mo fo
  • holyher... cosmicv... 2012/06/05 00:48:36
  • TwentyBeauties 2012/06/04 20:46:12 (edited)
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
    TwentyBeauties
    +8
    Hong Xiuquan did a remarkable job. If the British and French had aided him instead of the Manchu emperor, southern China could have been separated as a Christian country. Maybe as four countries for Cantonese, Fukienese, Hakka and Zhuang dominated areas, able to use their own languages instead of northern ("Mandarin") Chinese. A modernized (Westernized?) southern China could have had a large impact on Asian and world history.
    chinese modernized westernized southern china large impact asian world history
    Click on map to enlarge, twice to supersize.
    See the area where southern Chinese languages (green) and Zhuang (orange) are spoken. Min = Fukienese, Yue = Cantonese (Fukienese is also the main language of Taiwan and of large overseas communities like in Vietnam and the Philippines.)
    The Jewish community in China was concentrated in Ningxia province in the north central area, surrounded by Hui (Muslim Chinese), far from these southern Chinese areas.
  • holyher... TwentyB... 2012/06/04 23:51:57
  • JEFF 2012/06/04 18:21:33
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
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    MARTIN LUTHER. A MURDEROUS BASTARD. http://www.humanitasinternati...
    this answers your question without any doubt. FOR HIS BITHDAY, HIS FOLLOWERS MURDERS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JEWS AND BURNED DOWN THEIR TEMPLES.
  • holyher... JEFF 2012/06/04 23:47:47
  • mikenassau 2012/06/04 15:53:42
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
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    There were very few Jews living in the area controlled by Hong Xiuquan. The Hmong people of China (Miao, Meo) consider Hong Xiuquan much more important.
  • holyher... mikenassau 2012/06/04 15:59:07
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/06/04 14:59:06 (edited)
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    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
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    Any God or Messiah who Tells you to kill in his name is a FALSE Messiah

    IF God wants someone Dead then Let GOD do it Why Do we mere mortals need to Stain our hearts with a Hate Stain our Souls with Evil and Stain our minds with the Horrors of Organized Religious Madness . If someone wants to worship something and minds thier own buisness and dont bother anyone Why Force Your Religious beliefs on them ? You wouldnt want someone to do it to you Imagine if we Pagans started knocking on Mormon doors saying would you like to join the Temple of Thor come Hark thee to join and we shall Pilliage the Village with honey mead and wine and wenches

    no you Would not want Anyone to Force his or her Religious beliefs on you

    So Dont Do it to others keep your Religious beliefs in your home and in your Church

    Do not Go to War and Kill others for thier religious beliefs that is the Stupidest thing of all time MY GOD IS THE GOD OF PEACE AND I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO PROVE IT if God wanted us to worship only one Religion there would not be over 10,000 Religion on Earth you will never convince Everyone to your idea of your Religion

    The Creator Does not want us down on our knees worshipping the Creator the Creator Created for a simple Reason To LIVE not live in the past but LIVE in the future to move forward to explore our world to enjoy life to the fullest to Explore the universe
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/04 14:59:44
  • holyher... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/04 15:37:37
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... holyher... 2012/06/04 15:58:57
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
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    why would Pagans and Athiests Go to hell I do not believe in the Abraham heaven or hell concept I go where My Gods/Goddess Version of the Afterlife is

    A Christian once said to me Your Going to Hell so i said yes and You will be Right there with me.

    Are there Christians in Valhalla? are there Jews in the Summerlands? Are there Christians or Muslims in Tartarus ?

    is there Jews in the Fields of Aaru ? ( Egyptian Afterlife )
    Are there Christians or Muslims in the Shadowlands? (Babylonian Afterlife )

    No of course not I live by the Rules and Laws of My Religion i do not Go to another Persons Religions Version of the Afterlife I will Go where my Religion says I will Go
    Which is Journey of souls and Reincarnation

    Hell is the punishment Place for the Abraham Religions
    Heaven is the Reward for the Abraham Religions
  • holyher... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/06/04 23:52:59
  • sgp81 2012/06/04 14:45:32
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    judiasiam paqy no attention to this guy, at least i have never heard a rabbi talk about him
    at all. and jews do not consider jesus to be a false messiah, they simply regard him as
    another profit. a little eloquent than the rest, but a profit and wise man none the less.
  • holyher... sgp81 2012/06/04 15:35:40
  • sgp81 holyher... 2012/06/05 14:30:36
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    if you take a look at the orthodox they are pretty much anti every thing that is not orthodox.
    that is factual and not sarcastic, .... ok a little sarcastic. but trying to be serious, the orthodox do not even like other jews. i was raised conservative and then reform, and they snub there noses at both. and yet they meaning conservative and reform make up more than 90% of judiaism. in conserative and reform jesus in not mentioned at all.
    this is mostly because out of respect for what christians believe, but also they will not admit that they themselves believe he was a wise and eloquent profit.
    my own rabbi said on numerous occasions to me that jesus was simply far more eloquent
    than the profits before him. he was after all one of gods sons, one of 750,000 sons.
    but still a paradise son. the urantia book again. take care and how have you been.
  • holyher... sgp81 2012/06/05 18:03:38
  • BREW 2012/06/04 14:33:38
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    even though jesus himself was a jew, they regard all the same
  • holyher... BREW 2012/06/04 14:55:10
  • D.C. Willis 2012/06/04 14:17:27
    Jews consider Jesus of Nazareth to be the most damaging of all false Messiahs
    D.C. Willis
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    They feel it was Jesus but I feel it was every "messianic" figure tied to these absurdities known as Abrahamic Religions.

    art
  • holyher... D.C. Wi... 2012/06/04 14:53:27
  • D.C. Wi... holyher... 2012/06/05 02:25:36
    D.C. Willis
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    "But the Jesus myth was the most successful, hence the most devastating."

    I understand that Jews claim that Jesus was the most devastating but I am not sure about the claim. Most Christians are not nor ever were Jews and it has been the Christian pressure in the U.S. that has caused the American government to be so supportive of Israel.

    But to me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other. I do not care how much damage is done to the Abrahamic religions. :-)

    Thomas_P3

    Thomas_J5

    voltaire3
  • holyher... D.C. Wi... 2012/06/05 02:59:48 (edited)
  • D.C. Wi... holyher... 2012/06/05 03:56:26
    D.C. Willis
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    "We must keep in mind the two different periods."

    Well my friend I look at many different periods because just those "Two" periods would be convienant for the Jews.

    Judaism claims that the stories of the epic battles of ancient Israel are true and there are some ancient records that indicate that some of the stories are factual. This means that the Jews (Hebrews) killed millions of people and robbed them long before the "holocaust".



    Babylon, Persia and Rome defeated Israel and for the most part this was done to keep the Israeli military weak, not for the worthless land. Babylon went as far as to take most of the people back to Babylon as opposed to staying in Jerusalem.

    Many of the Jews tried to assimilate during the Roman occupation but the other half of the Judaic family was not having it so they fought among each other in civil battles. But eventually Rome got tired of this crap and killed most of the people that had not scattered.



    The fact is that the Jews (Hebrews) have been a violent people from the very beginning and hostile towards everyone to include each other. They have killed far more people then they lost in the Holocaust.

    Now if we look at the "Holocaust" we will see that there were only 6 million Jews in all of Europe during this time period. But not every Jew...















    "We must keep in mind the two different periods."

    Well my friend I look at many different periods because just those "Two" periods would be convienant for the Jews.

    Judaism claims that the stories of the epic battles of ancient Israel are true and there are some ancient records that indicate that some of the stories are factual. This means that the Jews (Hebrews) killed millions of people and robbed them long before the "holocaust".

    hebrew

    Babylon, Persia and Rome defeated Israel and for the most part this was done to keep the Israeli military weak, not for the worthless land. Babylon went as far as to take most of the people back to Babylon as opposed to staying in Jerusalem.

    Many of the Jews tried to assimilate during the Roman occupation but the other half of the Judaic family was not having it so they fought among each other in civil battles. But eventually Rome got tired of this crap and killed most of the people that had not scattered.

    Invetnt

    The fact is that the Jews (Hebrews) have been a violent people from the very beginning and hostile towards everyone to include each other. They have killed far more people then they lost in the Holocaust.

    Now if we look at the "Holocaust" we will see that there were only 6 million Jews in all of Europe during this time period. But not every Jew was killed and the claim of six million dead is a fraud. The number six million came from a much earlier propaganda piece.

    Crucifixion

    I could go into much more detail but for lack of space I will not. :-)

    The bottom line is, there were more none Jews killed during the holocaust then Jews and their lives mean no more or less then any of the other victims. So they can find another shoulder to cry on.

    We see even today that a Jewish nation causes issues for its neighbors as well as its people.

    Planned

    Human_Rights

    American

    I do not have a problem with Jews and have friends that are Jewish but I cannot rewrite history for them and would not if I could.
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  • holyher... D.C. Wi... 2012/06/05 04:13:21
  • D.C. Wi... holyher... 2012/06/05 14:55:02
    D.C. Willis
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    "Please never forget that the addicts of "the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world", the Christians, are the followers of Yahweh too,"

    In my opinion it is futile to debate which Abrahamic religion is the most ridiculous or bloody.

    worthless
  • holyher... D.C. Wi... 2012/06/05 16:57:48
  • D.C. Wi... holyher... 2012/06/05 19:26:23
    D.C. Willis
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    I would not even begin to try and determine which groups has been the bloodiest. In the last couple thousand years it may be Christianity but Judaism had a couple thousand year head start on the blood shed thing. Perhaps the Christians were trying to catch up.

    At any rate,they seem to coordinating the bloodshed now days. That makes them equally guilty. :-)

    Iraq

    bush_wall

    bush2
  • holyher... D.C. Wi... 2012/06/05 19:50:18
  • D.C. Wi... holyher... 2012/06/06 03:08:45
    D.C. Willis
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    "Keep in mind the size of my country of birth, the "Holy Land" versus the size of the Christian World. Israel could fit into Florida 8 times. It is the size of Rhode Island."

    It is that size today but many in that country claim that it was much larger at the pinnacle of the empire. Kings even traveled great distances to observe the wisdom of Solomon and the warriors of the nation were fashioned after David in his epic battle against Goliath; Priding themselves on overcoming overwhelming numbers of their enemies.

    Damn, I have to stop at this point. This makes me want to watch the movie 300 again. LMAO!!!!

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