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Who are you talking about when you say "God"?

Eddie 2012/01/05 12:42:17
Related Topics: God, Christian, Faith
Are you referring to the specific diety as identified by an individual faith. Do you believe people of different faiths and/or denominations of the christian faith are in fact worshipping totally different dieties. Or, do you believe that it's all really the same higher source and the dogma put forth by the various faiths, sects and denominations are merely their own individual attempts to understand and obey the wishes of that God.
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  • Bocephus 2012/01/09 18:18:44
    Bocephus
    God is like saying human. It's talks about the nature of who you are but not the personality . See GOD has a name like me. His name is JESUS, but his being is GOD. I am a human and my name is bocephus. That is the best way to put it. JESUS is GOD in human form. You are not the out side ( flesh, bone) but what is inside you . ( emotion , memory , personality)


    Why do I say this, because the bible tells me so.

    I and my Father are one. John 10:30

    "...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."
    --II Corinthians 4:4
  • rightside 2012/01/06 22:06:45
    rightside
    I believe in the God written about in the bible. I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
    I believe Jesus came to earth as a man and gave Himself up for our sins. He died and rose again and ascended to heaven and sits at the right hand of God. I believe He will come again and create a new heaven and a new earth.
    I believe that those that believe in Him and follow Him and have a personal relationship with Him with live forever.
  • lyle 2012/01/05 17:05:43
    lyle
    returning to God, is returning to your heart.....no matter what your culture, its all the same thing
  • Truth Matters 2012/01/05 15:44:45
    Truth Matters
    God is God. God does not exist according to our definition. Our definitions may be right or wrong relative to God's true nature or attributes, but our definitions are not determinative.

    I am logically certain that God is Prime, uncreated and ultimate. Anything less would not be God, but a contingent being that requires God to explain it's own existence.

    Certainly, different Christian denominations all subscribe to the same definition of God.

    Islam describes God very differently than Christianity. You can say Islam is wrong about God or worships a false idea of God, but there are not two prime Gods - one for Islam and one for Judaism / Christianity..
  • Eddie Truth M... 2012/01/06 13:56:24
    Eddie
    Thank you for your input. Please understand that I am not arguing with you at all but merely throwing this out there for discussion.
    What about our Hindu brethren who in fact believe in a number of dieties? When viewed through the lens of our modern day we understand there to be but one all powerful source of all things, but just a couple of thousand years ago that idea was in fact a minority among the worlds peoples. As belief in a pantheon of godly beings was in fact the norm. As so many of us believe time and event's to be cyclical. One wonders if in time humanity may return to the more varied belief and return to the idea of there actually being a pantheon of dieties working together to drive the functions of the universe.
  • Truth M... Eddie 2012/01/06 15:33:03
    Truth Matters
    Many beliefs are not many realities.

    I think we are at a point today where Hinduism (multiple deities existing within our Universe) makes no sense given what we do know about the Universe and .
    Something is prime over our Universe. We know this through science. Our physical Universe had an absolute physical beginning, Laws are Unified, etc. This physical Universe has not always existed for many God's to exist within it. Our Universe has a prime causal agency behind it.

    There are many other evidences that point to a singular unified Mind behind the Universe. Moral order, fine Tuning of the initial conditions of Big Bang / Inflation. This is simply incongruent with polytheistic beliefs, but Monotheism has perfect explanatory power and scope. Monotheism fits the evidences perfectly and makes more logical sense.

    I think modern science has revealed the necessity of a unified singular intelligence behind the Universe. Although the many Atheists and committed materialists in science are dogmatic in their philosophical bias, the evidence is pointing that way.
  • Boris D. 2012/01/05 15:04:06
    Boris D.
    ?????
  • Ego Death 2012/01/05 14:58:11 (edited)
  • tellmewhy 2012/01/05 14:33:33
    tellmewhy
    For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. (1 Chronicles 16:26)
  • Eddie tellmewhy 2012/01/06 13:57:57
    Eddie
    Ahhh! A King James version protestant I assume. Thank you for your input.
  • Bingo's Faddah 2012/01/05 13:23:42
    Bingo's Faddah
    Since no one knows a damned thing about God, folks just guess their best or go along with someone else's guess. Let's remember that God became political thousands of years ago. That's when the trouble started. I think Sid had the right idea:

    folks guess elses guess remember god political years trouble sid
  • Eddie Bingo's... 2012/01/05 13:47:25
    Eddie
    +1
    I can agree but nothing you have referenced tells me that I should not believe in what feels and has shown itself to be true to me. Also I don't expect anyone to share my beliefs. They are a covenant between myself and God as I believe God to be. Not necessarily what others have written of him or instructed us about what God's desires are.
  • Bingo's... Eddie 2012/01/05 14:11:07
    Bingo's Faddah
    We actually do agree. Completely. One should decide for their self.
  • Eddie Bingo's... 2012/01/06 13:58:47
    Eddie
    Thank you for your comments and thoughts.
  • Eddie 2012/01/05 12:53:29
    Eddie
    +1
    Personally I believe it's all the same God. The problems arise out of humanity's inability to reconcile differences or attempt to exert influence over others by confining faith into narrow disiplines which serve to further their own desires or elevate their ideals over the competing ideals of others. That's not to say there isn't evil in the world. There is, of course and for the vast majority of people, we all have an inner compass which tells us the difference. Some call it a conscience. To others it's intuition, but in truth it is rare to find a person who can honestly say they have no such inner sense of inhibition to commiting acts of negativity.
  • Bingo's... Eddie 2012/01/05 13:18:01
    Bingo's Faddah
    I hate people that think clearly and express themselves well so early. Bite me!

    hate people express bite
  • Eddie Bingo's... 2012/01/05 13:22:56
    Eddie
    +1
    Haha! Sorry! It's a abberation I assure you. Usually I'm still stumbling around waiting on the coffee maker.
  • Bingo's... Eddie 2012/01/05 14:12:28
    Bingo's Faddah
    I have to wait until about noon (local time) to even use a computer! It's just envy on my part.
  • Eddie Bingo's... 2012/01/06 14:00:03
    Eddie
    +1
    I see. Well don't be too envious. Only reason I'm up this early is cause I god people to get off to school.
  • Eddie Eddie 2012/01/06 14:00:32
    Eddie
    That's "got" people to get off to school.
  • Boris Badinov 2012/01/05 12:50:00
    Boris Badinov
    There is only one God. He Has Made Himself known in the Christian Bible only. I Believe in Him.
  • Bingo's... Boris B... 2012/01/05 13:19:32
    Bingo's Faddah
    +1
    Good luck with that. Isn't letting others make decisions for you... well.... kinda wrong?
  • Boris B... Bingo's... 2012/01/05 16:05:50
    Boris Badinov
    +1
    I do not understand. Who is making my decisions for me here?
  • Bingo's... Boris B... 2012/01/06 13:53:14
    Bingo's Faddah
    Oh, your parents did that. If you were given no religious pressure as a child it's possible you would not have embraced their values about God. Buddhists don't even contemplate God as they feel that's impossible at our current state of evolution. Given all the folks that "know" they're right (like yourself) they're certainly on to something.
  • Boris B... Bingo's... 2012/01/06 15:55:24
    Boris Badinov
    +1
    Hahaha - BF you should get somebody to pressure you into getting an education.. hahaha faith to be atheist
  • Bingo's... Boris B... 2012/01/06 21:49:46
    Bingo's Faddah
    And not enough education for a sane reply.
  • Boris B... Bingo's... 2012/01/06 22:00:11
    Boris Badinov
    ..about 440 pp, BF, most of which do not refernece the Bible.
  • Bingo's... Boris B... 2012/01/07 01:12:22
    Bingo's Faddah
    No one asked about your pp.
  • Eddie Boris B... 2012/01/05 13:25:06
    Eddie
    +1
    Which Christian Bible would that be. There are a variety given the different protestant denominations, catholics, orthadoxies, etc.
  • Boris B... Eddie 2012/01/05 16:12:56
    Boris Badinov
    There is only one Christian canon, Eddie. It comes in a variety of paraphrases and translations into English. I understand that the Catholic Bible contains a few additional books. That long settled canon is what I refer to. - Christian - like cults like Mormonism, JW's etc have changed that canon and those translations in order to twist their own understanding away from Christianity. - That's the longer verson of what I was saying above.
  • Eddie Boris B... 2012/01/06 14:16:56
    Eddie
    I am not arguing here but am interested to know what you think of more recently discovered Christian texts (some commonly know as Gnostic Texts) which have in fact been dated to a point in antiquity concurrent with the other Christian texts commonly associated with the modern Christian canon. It is commonly known that during Constantine's convention of bishops of the ancient church and charged with the task of compiling a canon common for all the Christian faithful. Some texts were chosen and some were rejected based on the sentiments of the era. Also, judging from the situation which many of these later discovered texts were found, I think it even likely that some weren't even available for the scrutiny of the bishops in attendance at that gathering.
  • Boris B... Eddie 2012/01/06 15:58:11
    Boris Badinov
    The Christian canon was formally settled in response to gnosticism. It was recognized among the early church fathers long before that.
  • BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET) 2012/01/05 12:46:39
    BattleBattlerBenji (PHAET)
    +1
    At a guess, I would say that they are worshipping different interpretations of the same God. Reminds me of a quote by Billy Connolly:
    "Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have the same God and he's telling them all different things"
  • Bingo's... BattleB... 2012/01/05 13:21:26
    Bingo's Faddah
    Check the books, all really the same things when you boil it down. Same God but different fashion statements and shoes. You done good.
  • Eddie BattleB... 2012/01/05 13:27:46
    Eddie
    I don't know that I'd say God is telling them different things so much as I kinda think they are interpreting the same things differently.
    Kinda like the book "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus". Men say one thing but women hear something else and vice versa.
  • ♥K14 2012/01/05 12:45:29
    ♥K14
    I'm normally talking about other peoples imaginary friends.
  • Eddie ♥K14 2012/01/05 13:30:42
    Eddie
    There may be something to be said for the concept that the more creedence is given to an imaginary thing the more substance it attains. Could it be possible for something to be "believed into existence".
  • ♥K14 Eddie 2012/01/05 13:46:38
    ♥K14
    No. But the false belief in something can improve the people who believe it.
  • Eddie ♥K14 2012/01/06 14:18:35
    Eddie
    OK, I can understand the reasoning there.

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