Which is more violent, The Bible, Or the Quran
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irish -liberty or death! 2012/07/04 15:25:04Bible (Explain please)
But thank you for opinion
The Christian god ordered his followers to kill all the men in the towns they invaded, enslaving only the women and children (who sometimes were to be slaughtered as well, along with every other living thing in sight).
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
Bible 842
Quran 333
You and I have gone round and round about this in the past. Neither one of us has any different views. The Bible and the Quran has not added anything new, so this is a waste. We do not agree.
During the conquest of Canaan.
And not to mention Sodom and Gomorrah....where god wiped them from the face of the earth, because they didnt worship him. and do things his way
Christian= New Testament
fine heres YOU=New Testament
Heres Hebrews:Jews =Old Testament (or Torah)
Muslims=Islam, =(Old and New Testament is less than but not equal to Quran)
Catholic=Old Testament+ New testament
Presbyterian=Old testament + new testament
Baptist= old Testament + New Testament
Jehovah Witness=Old Testament + new Testament
I know they worship these, because I have discusssed the matter of multiple followers of each creed.I have gone to their church, their Halls, the cathedrals, etc
Yes. each creed, CHOOSES what they will, and will not teach
But they dont exclude the original Testament (with the exception of the Apocrypha)
Muslims acknowledge the Old Testament
Jews acknowledge it
and Christians
Yet you seem not to.
My question is, "which is more violent, the Bible, or the Quran"
The Old AND New Testament are included in the Bible, otherwise I would have said simply Torah, or New testament.
But fine, if you SO Insist on denying your own holy scripture, than here. heres some from the NEW testament.
And I;m pretty sure you think Jesus is the messiah too? when Scripture shows otherwise, but anyways, since the New Testament is a mixture of things that have come, and things that have not come to pass, lets go over you Deity's satanic plans:
Lets see, Thesselonians: Burning hell of fires for ...
fine heres YOU=New Testament
Heres Hebrews:Jews =Old Testament (or Torah)
Muslims=Islam, =(Old and New Testament is less than but not equal to Quran)
Catholic=Old Testament+ New testament
Presbyterian=Old testament + new testament
Baptist= old Testament + New Testament
Jehovah Witness=Old Testament + new Testament
I know they worship these, because I have discusssed the matter of multiple followers of each creed.I have gone to their church, their Halls, the cathedrals, etc
Yes. each creed, CHOOSES what they will, and will not teach
But they dont exclude the original Testament (with the exception of the Apocrypha)
Muslims acknowledge the Old Testament
Jews acknowledge it
and Christians
Yet you seem not to.
My question is, "which is more violent, the Bible, or the Quran"
The Old AND New Testament are included in the Bible, otherwise I would have said simply Torah, or New testament.
But fine, if you SO Insist on denying your own holy scripture, than here. heres some from the NEW testament.
And I;m pretty sure you think Jesus is the messiah too? when Scripture shows otherwise, but anyways, since the New Testament is a mixture of things that have come, and things that have not come to pass, lets go over you Deity's satanic plans:
Lets see, Thesselonians: Burning hell of fires for those who don not worship Jesus or his God, the epitome of intolerance
Book of Hebrews" God approves of the slaughter of kings
Againin Hebrews It is the the Lord causes "Delusions" so people believe a lie
There is a vast list. Hell I can go FIND a list on the internet of violent, cruel, and intolerant verses on just the the New Testament alone
So, please forgive my sudden radicalism, but I can not stand people who choose to forsake one thing because it would screw up their argument. Especially in the name of the Christian deity, the creator of all Evil.
For your God is. He said it.
Isaiah 45:7. “I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”
And Yes, it is in the Old Testament. And probably for that reason, you will neglect it out of sheer stupidity. Not stubborness. Stupidity
Thank you for your opinion, and Have a nice day
Hey, no reason for name calling.
And your response just validates how invalid it would be to endorse a Christian religion
and I do apologize for name calling, but your response infuriated me. That is literally the only type of response during religious debates with hat I find unreasonable.
I was speaking on my behalf, and many people who choose not to endorse that religion
Why join a society, where they are not even united in what they believe in?
the abrahamic deity, cultivates disunity. It cultivates by religion, it cultivates it by religious denomination, (which basically means all belief structures by this abrahamic deity is fosters disunity) and it fosters disunity in society, in both old and new testaments
So if there was a spiritual way of thinking, or a religious way of thinking, involving peace, harmony and reason
the Abrahamic religions would be not be a valid endorsement
In my opinion.
And as this IS a The United States, I can decide, on what I believe the Christian religion is, it is my belief, and the belief of every other denomination...
Even yourself said you believe or as we have been puting it (endorsed) in this religion
And I was a Christian. Pretty damn devout too unfortunately. So I think on top of all that, I have my own personal qualifications to have an opinion on what I think the religion i used to be apart of is.
I have purposefully left out my background. You were already getting nasty and I hadn't even said my personal beliefs. I was just talking about religion generally.
So enlighten me, what are you. If you are not a Catholic or a Christian or any of the abrahamic denomination, what are you? Since you so intently attempt to defend the idea that one book is less violent than the other.
The Abrahamic religions have violence. The old Testament tells about wars, laws and punishments. New Testament is love your neighbors, don't kill them. No eye for an eye. It does say sin will lead you to hell but that is not humans, that is god sending you to hell. Then there is the Quran that tells you to kill the infidels, punishments (that are very clear and present day) and implementing a global caliphate. They are still in the 7th century.
Take a muslim Afghan ( or any other muslim from an Islamic country) and place him in America. What will happen to him? Nothing. Drop an average American off in Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and see how well they fare.
The old testament is essentially the history, the new testament is basically reiterating the old things by adding something new, such as the idea of Hell, (atleast the fire burning time), and by making the assumption that Jesus is the Jewish messiah when he doesnt fulfill all of the prophecies, and also promises to bring war, not peace, and by seeing the history of the time period puts the new testament in a more manipulating light.
It is only when I read the Gnostic Gospels that only Christianity in the Gnostic form teaches freedom, and self enlightenment.
I never look at just the religious texts, I look at the history of the religious texts, of how, and when they were created, what things were not included. And what. if anything they copy. I can easily write an essay on how the Christian religion combined the greek and roman gods. Since Christianity (the one created a few hundred years after Jesus's and is now know known as the Catholic Church) was established by the Roman Empire.
(I can go on and on about this, but I am similar to you.
And another thing. The Christianity of today, is not the Christianity Jesus wanted
The same has the Islamic faith
You will find between the Gnostic texts, and the New Testa...
The old testament is essentially the history, the new testament is basically reiterating the old things by adding something new, such as the idea of Hell, (atleast the fire burning time), and by making the assumption that Jesus is the Jewish messiah when he doesnt fulfill all of the prophecies, and also promises to bring war, not peace, and by seeing the history of the time period puts the new testament in a more manipulating light.
It is only when I read the Gnostic Gospels that only Christianity in the Gnostic form teaches freedom, and self enlightenment.
I never look at just the religious texts, I look at the history of the religious texts, of how, and when they were created, what things were not included. And what. if anything they copy. I can easily write an essay on how the Christian religion combined the greek and roman gods. Since Christianity (the one created a few hundred years after Jesus's and is now know known as the Catholic Church) was established by the Roman Empire.
(I can go on and on about this, but I am similar to you.
And another thing. The Christianity of today, is not the Christianity Jesus wanted
The same has the Islamic faith
You will find between the Gnostic texts, and the New Testament, Jesus's teachings are slightly more different.
And with Muhammad, although he was a military leader (most leaders at this time were military leaders, even Siddhartha was a warrior prince), he taught intolerance, especially between different ethnic back grounds. And you will find there are less verses that deal with with harming anyone.
And it also depends WHERE you put an average muslim or american. Put the average American in a bloody war zone, what do you think would happen?
Put the average arabic in a conservative stronghold (i.e ultra cons) they will automatically assume he is Muslim (which very well may not be the case) and they will treat him as such
There were two people in my dorm from Saudi Arabia, they were far more respectful than most Americans there.
But just saying...we pretty much just stopped open warfare with them. If an average american suddenly went there, they are just asking for it.
And I cant help but notice that you said nothing of my response to the Ten Commandments.
What was your response to the 10 commandments? About your 2 Saudi guys in your dorm. Well, If I was in another country, only 2, I would probably do my best to blend. Their hearts are unchanged. We should not be allowing these people to come here for education to turn around and use against us!
So, you judge a fellow human, without knowing them. Yea. Thats moral of you
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."
Who said that? Muhammad.
We are infidels.
But that is the end of that. And we obviously have nothing more to talk about.
And, the New Testament has a decent amount of violence, or at the very least the tolerance of violence.
Thank you for your opinion (:
In present day Who is stoning? Who is chopping off limbs? Cutting out tongues? Beheading? Lashing?
Who is stoning? radicals. Of ALL Abrahamic denominations. No single one.
I can go all day with this particular idea alone.
But I may be wrong, and read the verse wrong., but thank you for your opinion