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When did a movement based on love become a hate group?

Deliciously Melicious 2012/08/14 01:15:02

I know there’s no Chick-Fil-A here in Spokane, but in my heart I stood with those Christians waiting to be served chicken sandwiches. I stood there, until evening when I noticed an old friend posted something online. There was a picture of the unprecedented gathering, captioned with the words: “You’d never see that many Christians lined up to help at a food bank or homeless shelter, and that’s something Jesus actually said to do.”

How ironic and convicting that an atheist should know our calling better than we do.

In reflection, the whole Christian reaction was completely hypocritical. Is not the second greatest commandment to love your neighbor? If anyone’s confused about this statute, don’t fret, Jesus clarifies with the Good Samaritan story that “neighbor” isn’t just anyone, it’s someone we would normally despise.

Also, if you’re still fuzzy on what love entails, look to that famous verse; John 3:16 states, “God so loved the world that He gave …” There you have it, God says love is sacrificial giving, and if you love God, you will follow His commands, no matter what.

So when did a movement based on love become a hate group against homosexuals?

Kristen Michaelis

Spokane

Read More: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/aug/11/put-j...

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  • oldlady 2012/08/14 22:37:10
    oldlady
    +1
    You absolutly right. I worked for 3 years in a church and part of my job was handing out the can goods collected for the church pantry to give to the poor. Most of the canned goods donated were out dated so that told me a lot about the christian love. Your good enough to eat what they would not and it only gets worse with what we see with Chick-Fil-A :/
  • Bastion 2012/08/14 19:51:19
    Bastion
    +1
    "So when did a movement based on love become a hate group against homosexuals?"

    When Conservatives and the Republican party shamelessly pandered to extremist fundamentalist Christians for cynically political reasons, creating the myth of a "homosexual agenda".
  • *Mahogany Goddess 2012/08/14 16:28:03
  • elijahin24 2012/08/14 15:59:26
    elijahin24
    +4
    Well said. This is a Christian who get's it.
  • Metaldane 2012/08/14 05:00:08
    Metaldane
    +6
    “You’d never see that many Christians lined up to help at a food bank or homeless shelter, and that’s something Jesus actually said to do.” lol why didn't I think of that truest comeback ever.
  • Melizmatic Metaldane 2012/08/14 16:30:54
    Melizmatic
    +1
    Someone here on SH said it as well, on one of the many support CFA posts.
  • Metaldane Melizmatic 2012/08/14 16:36:02
    Metaldane
    +2
    Yea not surprising it was an athiest who said it either they'd be the first to notice the hypocrisy of the whole cfa thing
  • Melizmatic Metaldane 2012/08/14 16:40:58
    Melizmatic
    +2
    I dont know if it was an atheist who said it on this site.
  • Metaldane Melizmatic 2012/08/14 16:43:58 (edited)
    Metaldane
    +1
    This was put in this post's description:

    "How ironic and convicting that an atheist should know our calling better than we do."
    And it makes sense they're usually the first to jump at that kind of opening in a debate.
  • Melizmatic Metaldane 2012/08/14 16:50:08
    Melizmatic
    +2
    I'm just not certain if the person who said it on this site a couple weeks ago was an atheist or not... nor do I know if they were specifically quoting the woman in this post.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Metaldane Melizmatic 2012/08/14 16:53:14
    Metaldane
    +1
    Reaper? Yeah he's an athiest says so on his profile.
  • Melizmatic Metaldane 2012/08/14 17:02:47
    Melizmatic
    +2
    Didnt check.

    Such minor differences don't really concern me; its how people carry themselves on a regular basis that I pay attention to...
  • Metaldane Melizmatic 2012/08/14 17:10:03 (edited)
    Metaldane
    +1
    Very true I don't judge people merely by beliefs I was merely pointing out something most (not all) regular atheists tend to UAE in common.
  • Delicio... Melizmatic 2012/08/14 17:18:30
    Deliciously Melicious
    +2
    Wow, that was like word for word. I wonder which came first.
  • Melizmatic Delicio... 2012/08/14 17:20:51
    Melizmatic
    +2
    I know, right?

    Me too.
  • Redneck 2012/08/14 03:05:13
    Redneck
    +1
    They absolutely have to paint Christians as people who hate homosexuals, which isn't true, except in some cases I'm sure. God never condemned homosexuals, neither in the old testament or the new, only homosexual acts. People forget that Jesus was tempted in every manner that we are, but he resisted the temptation. Therefore, we are expected to resist the temptation to sin and homosexual activity is sinful, just like drunkardness and so on. People can't help their thoughts and desires, but they do choose whether or not to act on those desires.
  • Nightmusic 2012/08/14 02:52:15
    Nightmusic
    +1
    A group comes along that wants to change the definition of the foundational institution of society from what it's been from the beginning of time within all religions and all societies. Over time that group gains so much power that mayors of cities are saying that a company whose president disagrees with it is not welcome to open shops in their cities. This becomes a rallying point for people to say they don't want to be told they have to roll over and have the foundational institution of the world changed just because a small minority that comprises 2 or 3% of the population wants them to.

    Do people have to agree to go along with any change a tiny minority wants to avoid being called 'haters?' This sounds like emotional black mail to me. Do what I want or I'll call you a hater. It's bullying. Who's the real hater here?
  • Melizmatic Nightmusic 2012/08/14 04:51:14
    Melizmatic
    +6
    "...wants to change the definition of the foundational institution of society from what it's been from the beginning of time within all religions and all societies."

    That's a fallacy.

    Marriage has not "always" been defined as between 'one man and one woman' in "ALL religions and societies", and certainly not since 'the beginning of time.'

    In fact, many ancient societies defined it as one man, many women.

    http://www.bible-history.com/...

    Believe whatever you want, support whomever you want, and hate whomever you want...

    But at least do it honestly.
  • Delicio... Melizmatic 2012/08/14 16:43:36
    Deliciously Melicious
    +3
    I so adore you.
  • Melizmatic Delicio... 2012/08/14 16:44:45
    Melizmatic
    +3
    And I, you.

  • elijahin24 Nightmusic 2012/08/14 16:10:47
    elijahin24
    +5
    So how long have you spent working at a soup-kitchen?
  • Rebel Uke Nightmusic 2012/08/14 17:54:18
    Rebel Uke
    +3
    OH NO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE?.....AGAIN?!?! hmm, i wonder why they said the same thing back in the 60s

    change definition marriage hmm 60s
  • Melizmatic Rebel Uke 2012/08/14 18:05:15
  • Rebel Uke Melizmatic 2012/08/14 18:16:07
    Rebel Uke
    +3
    i know, i find it amusing how they only consider it marriage when its convenient to fit their terms. But when anyone else want equals rights and opportunities they are dead set against it. I would find it more amusing, if it wasn't so sad that people could still think in such a way.

    convenient fit terms equals rights opportunities dead amusing sad people
  • Melizmatic Rebel Uke 2012/08/14 18:18:45
  • Mark In Irvine 2012/08/14 02:08:49 (edited)
    Mark In Irvine
    +2
    IMHO the people who consider their religion to require condemnation and so on are not embracing the lesson that JC taught, but embracing the angry G-d of the old testament who treats mankind as a meaningless, worthless, play-thing (see, e.g., the stories of Job, Lot, Abraham and Isaac) ... their "faith" is based on fear and trembling and conformity to rules that a tyrant has laid down primarily because the tyrant has the power to punish transgressions ... whereas the faith of the person who has embraced the lesson/example that JC gave us is not selfish, not arrogant, not condemning, not judgmental, not condescending, but is generous, helpful, accepting ... in a word: loving ... IMHO.
  • Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch... 2012/08/14 01:39:39
    Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch of PHAET!~Badass Incarnate~
    +4
    All of this!
  • Delicio... Feria~T... 2012/08/14 01:40:22
    Deliciously Melicious
    +5
    While I did not write it, I needed to share it. :)
  • Feria~T... Delicio... 2012/08/14 01:42:42
    Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch of PHAET!~Badass Incarnate~
    +4
    Thank you so much for sharing it <3
  • Delicio... Feria~T... 2012/08/14 01:43:40
    Deliciously Melicious
    +4
    You are very welcome, my friend. Thanks for reading it. <333
  • Rebel Uke 2012/08/14 01:20:53
  • Delicio... Rebel Uke 2012/08/14 01:25:00 (edited)
    Deliciously Melicious
    +7
    pride
    pride in the face of hate, is a beautiful thing.
  • Tastentier Rebel Uke 2012/08/14 12:03:55 (edited)
    Tastentier
    What I'm going to post might be inappropriate for an all-ages forum, but it might help people understand this strange phenomenon called homophobia. I know a father who found out about his son's gayness when he opened his toothpaste and found fecal matter under the rim of the cap. Apparently, his 14 year old son had been using it to pleasure himself.

    According to public opinion, his shocked reaction must have been the result of religious bigotry or his own latent homosexuality. But personally, I think he was simply disgusted. I mean, the poor man was about to brush his teeth with his son's feces. Anyway, this father found additional signs of his son's "love" all over the house. Brown residue on his billiard cues and stool legs (no pun intended). A disgusting smell on his screwdriver handles. It was everywhere. Even on vegetables.

    A few decades ago, the parents of this kid could have gotten him treatment for an obsessive-compulsive mental disorder, because that's exactly what this is. Nowadays, that is no longer an option because LGBT activists have forced the medical community to view this compulsive behavior as a sign of healthy gay sexual development. All teenagers masturbate, right? It's perfectly natural when parents find feces all over the house. When parents have to worry a...





    What I'm going to post might be inappropriate for an all-ages forum, but it might help people understand this strange phenomenon called homophobia. I know a father who found out about his son's gayness when he opened his toothpaste and found fecal matter under the rim of the cap. Apparently, his 14 year old son had been using it to pleasure himself.

    According to public opinion, his shocked reaction must have been the result of religious bigotry or his own latent homosexuality. But personally, I think he was simply disgusted. I mean, the poor man was about to brush his teeth with his son's feces. Anyway, this father found additional signs of his son's "love" all over the house. Brown residue on his billiard cues and stool legs (no pun intended). A disgusting smell on his screwdriver handles. It was everywhere. Even on vegetables.

    A few decades ago, the parents of this kid could have gotten him treatment for an obsessive-compulsive mental disorder, because that's exactly what this is. Nowadays, that is no longer an option because LGBT activists have forced the medical community to view this compulsive behavior as a sign of healthy gay sexual development. All teenagers masturbate, right? It's perfectly natural when parents find feces all over the house. When parents have to worry about smear infections and food poisoning.

    It's also perfectly natural when a kid asks "dad, can I borrow your razor" and his father knows that the razor won't be used on his kid's face. Instead, his son is going to shave his butt, because otherwise his boyfriend won't "rim" him (won't give him anilingus). This is another thing that has drastically changed for the medical community. If you talk to pediatricians, you'll learn that they can no longer assume a sore throat is just that, a sore throat. Instead, they have to consider the possibility of an oral infection with bacteria, fungi and protozoa that are usually only found in human intestines.

    Entirely new diseases that are almost exclusively found in the gay community have been popping up in the last century. And no, I'm not talking about HIV. I'm talking about infections and opportunistic cancers that are the result of oral bacteria invading the bowel flora and vice versa. These diseases aren't even classified as venereal diseases and never show up in STD statistics. Of course traditional STDs are also much higher among gays and bisexual men than in any other group. But we must maintain the pretense that this is all perfectly normal and no reason to be alarmed. Anything else would be bigotry.

    So now pediatricians who encounter what looks like a sore throat have to ask kids shocking and potentially traumatizing questions about sexual habits, about things like tongue-to-sphincter contact. But I guess that's a small price to pay when it makes a tiny minority feel better about themselves. A minority that is perfectly sane and normal, unlike the bigots and homophobes who "hate" them. They just want to be with the people they love, right? How could love be a public health concern?
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  • elijahin24 Tastentier 2012/08/14 16:12:44
    elijahin24
    +4
    "I hate the word 'homophobia'. It's not a phobia. You're not scared. You're just an ass-hole"
    -My friend Ian's grandma.
    Gotta love old people who get it!
  • Tastentier elijahin24 2012/08/14 16:44:58 (edited)
    Tastentier
    So a father who is disturbed by his son's compulsive and risky behavior is an a**hole for being worried? Going around the house looking for things to insert into your rectum is a behavior that has to be embraced and accepted? We're not allowed to be concerned about obvious health risks anymore, or about disconcerting sexual and psychological youth development? Did you even bother to read my post?
  • elijahin24 Tastentier 2012/08/14 18:04:00
  • Delicio... Tastentier 2012/08/14 16:24:04
    Deliciously Melicious
    +4
    Ahhh... so homosexuals are the only people who involve in anal intercourse and stimulation?

    Please give proof to your claims. I'm thinking medical journals please.
  • Tastentier Delicio... 2012/08/14 17:10:31
    Tastentier
    I never claimed that. You're attacking a straw man, probably because you're so ingrained in your politically correct opinion that you can't take an unbiased look at my disturbing case example and judge it on an individual basis.

    I don't think that the behavior that I described is representative of all gay teenagers. This case (which I didn't make up btw; you really can't make these things up) is an example of pathological behavior which I'm sure is not exhibited by all gay men. The problem is that due to political over-correctness, it is now impossible to get treatment for this obsessive-compulsive young man.

    He happens to fall under the LGBT umbrella, so the medical community has to pretend that he's completely healthy. His father can't even tell him "hey son, please don't put screwdrivers and vegetables up your butt" because that would be intolerant of his sexual urges. Parents are simply not prepared to deal with situations like this, and simply embracing someone's differentness is hard to do when you find fecal matter on your food items.

    To get away from this case study: No matter how many heterosexual couples engage in anal intercourse, the fact remains that STD rates among MSMs are about 40% above the statistical norm. Not only that, but we also see new opportunistic infec...



    I never claimed that. You're attacking a straw man, probably because you're so ingrained in your politically correct opinion that you can't take an unbiased look at my disturbing case example and judge it on an individual basis.

    I don't think that the behavior that I described is representative of all gay teenagers. This case (which I didn't make up btw; you really can't make these things up) is an example of pathological behavior which I'm sure is not exhibited by all gay men. The problem is that due to political over-correctness, it is now impossible to get treatment for this obsessive-compulsive young man.

    He happens to fall under the LGBT umbrella, so the medical community has to pretend that he's completely healthy. His father can't even tell him "hey son, please don't put screwdrivers and vegetables up your butt" because that would be intolerant of his sexual urges. Parents are simply not prepared to deal with situations like this, and simply embracing someone's differentness is hard to do when you find fecal matter on your food items.

    To get away from this case study: No matter how many heterosexual couples engage in anal intercourse, the fact remains that STD rates among MSMs are about 40% above the statistical norm. Not only that, but we also see new opportunistic infections that are so unique to this group that the medical community initially coined terms like "gay bowel syndrome" upon encountering them. The term has been abandoned by now due to PCness, but the medical problem persists.

    Another concern is that MSMs (men who have sex with men) are a far larger group than exclusively homosexual men. Many identify as bisexual or bi-curious and have steady female partners. 50 years ago they might have been reluctant to act on their occasional same-sex urges, but nowadays they endanger their wives and girlfriends by cheating on them with male partners. STDs that are extremely common in the MSM group, such as HPV, pose no considerable health risk to men, but can have dire consequences for women (such as cervical cancer).

    In other words, the open encouragement of same-sex behavior (together with the ongoing demonization of normal heterosexual male conduct by some feminist groups) increases the health risk of the population as a whole. Unlike gay sex, being cheated on and infected with whoknowswhat by your bi-curious partner is not consensual and simply not socially acceptable. I'm not saying that promiscuity and atypical sexual behavior should be criminalized, but outright encouraging and celebrating it isn't such a great idea either.
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  • Delicio... Tastentier 2012/08/14 17:19:47
    Deliciously Melicious
    +2
    And yet you still provided me no links, nothing to back up what you say. I'm still waiting.
  • Tastentier Delicio... 2012/08/14 18:20:02
    Tastentier
    Ok then, if you want just the naked facts, here is a 2010 press release by the CDC:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Ne...

    Quote: "The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

    The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women.

    The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women."


    Note that the STD rate has been increasing for years now, mostly among MSMs. The CDC thinks that "preventing HIV and STDs among gay and bisexual men is a top CDC priority". No doubt this disproportionate concern for a small minority will take resources away from other areas that affect the entire population.

    The American College of Pediatricians lists a variety of other infectious and opportunistic diseases that are predominantly or disproportionally often diagnosed in MSMs, such as opportunistic anal cancer and infections involving chlamydia, cryptosporidium, giardia lamblia, ...
    Ok then, if you want just the naked facts, here is a 2010 press release by the CDC:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Ne...

    Quote: "The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

    The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women.

    The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women."


    Note that the STD rate has been increasing for years now, mostly among MSMs. The CDC thinks that "preventing HIV and STDs among gay and bisexual men is a top CDC priority". No doubt this disproportionate concern for a small minority will take resources away from other areas that affect the entire population.

    The American College of Pediatricians lists a variety of other infectious and opportunistic diseases that are predominantly or disproportionally often diagnosed in MSMs, such as opportunistic anal cancer and infections involving chlamydia, cryptosporidium, giardia lamblia, genital herpes, human papillomavirus, isospora belli, microsporidia, gonorrhea and viral hepatitis types B and C. There are lots of references on this site:
    http://factsaboutyouth.com/po...
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