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What is the God Particle? Does it exist?

wamcalif 2012/07/04 19:04:07
"I think we have it. You agree?" Speaking to a packed audience Wednesday morning in Geneva, CERN director general Rolf Heuer confirmed that two separate teams working at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) are more than 99 percent certain they've discovered the Higgs boson, aka the God particle—or at the least a brand-new particle exactly where they expected the Higgs to be. The long-sought particle may complete the standard model of physics by explaining why objects in our universe have mass—and in so doing, why galaxies, planets, and even humans have any right to exist...."

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  • Jeff Vader 2012/07/04 20:34:19 (edited)
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    Yes, the Higgs-boson has finally been discovered, it is the fundamental particle that gives everything mass. To answer where the Higgs-boson comes from as some religious creationists will no doubt stupidly ask. You first have to understand that space and time were created at the instance of the big bang.

    There was no before the big bang, there was no time and space so the question is irrelevant. it's like trying to explain colour to someone who is blind, or asking a religious person what was before God? That is not to say that there was nothing as many religious fundamentalists love to say that "something cant come from nothing", particle physics has never ever stated that something came from nothing, quite the opposite. Every particle that exist today has always exited, it is their ignorance and inability to fathom the construct of space and time, and concept of infinity, that and the adherence to religious doctrine that makes them make such a ridiculous claim.

    There has never been a more important discovery in terms of understanding how our universe came into being than the Higgs-boson. it fills in the hidden piece, the final missing bit of information long theorized about, but now proven. We will now be able to explain the greatest mystery of all, how the universe was create...

    Yes, the Higgs-boson has finally been discovered, it is the fundamental particle that gives everything mass. To answer where the Higgs-boson comes from as some religious creationists will no doubt stupidly ask. You first have to understand that space and time were created at the instance of the big bang.

    There was no before the big bang, there was no time and space so the question is irrelevant. it's like trying to explain colour to someone who is blind, or asking a religious person what was before God? That is not to say that there was nothing as many religious fundamentalists love to say that "something cant come from nothing", particle physics has never ever stated that something came from nothing, quite the opposite. Every particle that exist today has always exited, it is their ignorance and inability to fathom the construct of space and time, and concept of infinity, that and the adherence to religious doctrine that makes them make such a ridiculous claim.

    There has never been a more important discovery in terms of understanding how our universe came into being than the Higgs-boson. it fills in the hidden piece, the final missing bit of information long theorized about, but now proven. We will now be able to explain the greatest mystery of all, how the universe was created. We live in a very interesting time as far as science is concerned, and many of the religious who refuted it's existence will have to eat their words In the coming decade or so as our understanding of it's function will be thoroughly explained. Or more likely bury their head in the sand as the always do.

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  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/07/05 22:26:42
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    they should talk to the Waxahachie super collider people here in Texas........"paving the way to a brighter future!"
  • stevegt... stevegt... 2012/07/05 22:29:28
    stevegtexas@aol.com
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    the lady in the atom smashers video might need to get her thyroid checked.
  • TheCouchF*cker 2012/07/05 05:54:10
    TheCouchF*cker
    +1
    This is definitely some exciting stuff, but let's wait until they've had the chance to really examine it and figure out if it's what they think it is before we start pouring cocktails.
  • Jeff Vader 2012/07/04 20:34:19 (edited)
    Jeff Vader
    +3
    Yes, the Higgs-boson has finally been discovered, it is the fundamental particle that gives everything mass. To answer where the Higgs-boson comes from as some religious creationists will no doubt stupidly ask. You first have to understand that space and time were created at the instance of the big bang.

    There was no before the big bang, there was no time and space so the question is irrelevant. it's like trying to explain colour to someone who is blind, or asking a religious person what was before God? That is not to say that there was nothing as many religious fundamentalists love to say that "something cant come from nothing", particle physics has never ever stated that something came from nothing, quite the opposite. Every particle that exist today has always exited, it is their ignorance and inability to fathom the construct of space and time, and concept of infinity, that and the adherence to religious doctrine that makes them make such a ridiculous claim.

    There has never been a more important discovery in terms of understanding how our universe came into being than the Higgs-boson. it fills in the hidden piece, the final missing bit of information long theorized about, but now proven. We will now be able to explain the greatest mystery of all, how the universe was create...

    Yes, the Higgs-boson has finally been discovered, it is the fundamental particle that gives everything mass. To answer where the Higgs-boson comes from as some religious creationists will no doubt stupidly ask. You first have to understand that space and time were created at the instance of the big bang.

    There was no before the big bang, there was no time and space so the question is irrelevant. it's like trying to explain colour to someone who is blind, or asking a religious person what was before God? That is not to say that there was nothing as many religious fundamentalists love to say that "something cant come from nothing", particle physics has never ever stated that something came from nothing, quite the opposite. Every particle that exist today has always exited, it is their ignorance and inability to fathom the construct of space and time, and concept of infinity, that and the adherence to religious doctrine that makes them make such a ridiculous claim.

    There has never been a more important discovery in terms of understanding how our universe came into being than the Higgs-boson. it fills in the hidden piece, the final missing bit of information long theorized about, but now proven. We will now be able to explain the greatest mystery of all, how the universe was created. We live in a very interesting time as far as science is concerned, and many of the religious who refuted it's existence will have to eat their words In the coming decade or so as our understanding of it's function will be thoroughly explained. Or more likely bury their head in the sand as the always do.

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  • wamcalif Jeff Vader 2012/07/05 23:03:22
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    Interesting that Stephen Hawking did not believe the particle would ever be found (he lost a $100.00 bet).
  • Jeff Vader wamcalif 2012/07/05 23:31:58
    Jeff Vader
    +1
    Quantum theory has caught many a renowned physicist and mathematician out. A well known quote from Einstein summed up his view of quantum theory by saying “God does not throw dice” much quoted by the religious fundamentalists. He was not referring to a deity as he went on to say later on in the same quote "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me." which they conveniently ignore.

    He did not like the uncertainty quantum theory postulated. But we have learned a lot more about particle physics since his time, and we now know Einstein's view was wrong. You cant get it right all the time :)
  • wamcalif Jeff Vader 2012/07/06 00:19:56
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    So, the quick answer to the question is that Einstein did not believe in a personal God. However, it is interesting how he arrived at that conclusion. In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God:

    "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."4

    However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp:

    "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."5

    "I'm not an atheist ...


    So, the quick answer to the question is that Einstein did not believe in a personal God. However, it is interesting how he arrived at that conclusion. In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God:

    "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."4

    However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp:

    "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."5

    "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."6

    "Evidence for God"
    Rich Deem
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  • Jeff Vader wamcalif 2012/07/06 00:36:22 (edited)
    Jeff Vader
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    Einstein was not an atheist he was a pantheist. He repeatedly refuted that he believed in a personal God. Probably the most telling of his views on religion was in a letter shortly before his death in 1954, he wrote "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends, which are nevertheless pretty childish," I think there is no ambiguity about his views on god and the bible.

    Also even more telling was when he learned that his views on religion were being distorted by Christian fundamentalists. He wrote "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it" Science was his god that he was referring to not some ethereal being.
  • wamcalif Jeff Vader 2012/07/06 00:57:19
    wamcalif
    +1
    So, if Einstein conceded the conclusion that the universe is indeed expanding, and thus must have a beginning (Higgs-boson), he could not refute the exixtence of God? Based on the perfection, or harmony in the universe.

    I personally do not believe Higgs boson and God are exclusive to one another. We only just reached the capability to detect the God Particle. If we look deeper (from a scientific perspective), can we possibly explore the make up or origin of the particle itself? A religious scholar might say, science can't recognize the evidence that has been staring them in the face for eons. To them, God (and the evidence of the origins of the universe) is everywhere to be found, if you look within.
  • Jeff Vader wamcalif 2012/07/06 01:16:26
    Jeff Vader
    +1
    Whatever Einstein's views it would still make no difference to my thinking, I need no claim to higher authority to justify my beliefs.

    I am of another view than yourself. Everything I have ever read, studied, witlessness, had personal experience of indeed whatever endeavour or section of my personal life has lead me to the inexorable conclusion there is no god. Of this I am certain, and I am happy and content in my belief.

    The god you refer to is an anathema to me. though you are free to believe in what you like.
  • Joe61 2012/07/04 20:02:31
    Joe61
    +1
    There is no God Particle....What they are can;t explain is where all the matter that came together to create the Universe where did it come from......
  • Muskoka Joe61 2012/07/05 04:48:30 (edited)
    Muskoka
    +1
    I guess when scientists have been working on this project for the 1960's they did that for no reason at all.

    Ignorance is definitely a choice for you.
  • Joe61 Muskoka 2012/07/05 07:18:49
    Joe61
    +1
    OK then Einstein you explain where the all that matter that came together in a blinding flash came from. Because in the beginning there was nothing only darkness. So how do you suddenly get Universe creating matter from nothing?
  • Muskoka Joe61 2012/07/06 03:04:23
    Muskoka
    +1
    No one ever said there was nothing except only darkness. Science has never made that claim. If you want that answer, I suggest you follow the research of the scientists who have done all the work for the last 50 years.

    That is only said in fantasy stories and superstitions. It is the religious ideology where the universe is created out of nothing, by a god who mysteriously appears out of no where by magic instantly. Women is cloned from the flesh of a man.

    But if you really read the bible, that is not rally true either, as there were people on the earth long before Adam and Eve. And Eve was NOT Adams first wife either. the story gets very complicated from there as nothing is really as straight forward as it sounds as there are far too many inconsistencies in the creation story to make any sense at all.


    why
  • frequent–antagonist 2012/07/04 19:06:22
    frequent–antagonist
    +1
    Next question: "How did the Higgs boson become to be?"
  • wamcalif frequen... 2012/07/04 19:18:25
    wamcalif
    +1
    Is that like the chicken or egg question (which came first)?

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