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What is so wrong with Illegal Immigrants?

I'm tired of illegal immigrant being used as a thrashing board for healthcare reform critics.

Unless you are a native american, you are the offspring of some immigrants. And their legal or illegal status was merely an arbitrary assignment.

I am the grandson of a Italian Immigrant (my grandfather) and again a Jewish immigrant (my mother, who married my father the son of a immigrant.)

All of you are the result of immigration. America is a nation of immigrants.

As for the Mexican immigrants, they are as noble an immigrant as my ancestors were.

They travel here at there own expense, they purchase housing and food, they work, hard. They work for little money. I do not fault them for working so cheap, it is the US businesses that hire them.

It would seem that the problem is not the fact that they are illegal, it is the fact that our immigration system has not kept up with the realities of the demand for immigrant workers or immigrant who want to be residents.

At a time when china has over a billion people and India another billion, we could use more people working to make America competitive.

As for their access to healthcare. There are now multiple provisions to ensure that they do not get access to subsidized healthcare, even if they want to spend their hard earned money purchasing it.

We need immigration reform. We need new technology to track workers and we need to open the gates up to citizenship for those that want it.
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  • +8 raves Ronbo October 15, 2009 12:00:54
    Ronbo
    The FBI has the number of violent offenders in prison right now at 40% illegal immigrants (no family values not here to work). This includes rape, murder, kidnapping, and drugs.

    Drunk driving has killed children getting off school buses, families on the road. All drivers flee to escape prosecution. Gang violent youths for the Mexican cartels are not deterred by prison sentences, and consider jail a badge of honor.

    Hospitals in south Texas has closed the doors -- gone out of business providing health care to non-citizens who contribute nothing to the bills or taxes. Along with that TB and other diseases the USA had eradicated cross the border daily.

    There is a way to enter the country legally but, that requires time and effort. Sal, ask your Grandparents about the naturalization process and how becoming a US citizen was an honor and privilege.

    America is a nation of immigrants. If all of them came with guns we would consider 20 million people crossing the border an invasion not immigration.
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  • Sal the... Jon October 15, 2009 22:53:29
    Sal the tactless wonder
    I was an illegal driver once, my tag expired. I was ILLEGAL. I even got a ticket and had to pay a fine.

    The illegalness of immigrants is the same as the illegalness of having a registered tag up to date.

    Many immigrants enter the country legally, but they fail to renew their visa, or stay longer then their visa allow for.
  • +1 raves
    Jon Sal the... October 15, 2009 23:02:17
    Jon
    and if they are found with expired visas, they should be fined, allowed to renew and if they don't be deported.
  • Shark Sal the... October 16, 2009 02:30:59
    Shark
    Sorry to burst your bubble there, but that is ridiculous. So, you had let your Drivers License expire and you were illegal.
    During your stint as an Illegal, how many of your children were being supported by tax dollars? How many rent, medical or other subsidies did you get? How many tickets did you get for which you did not show up in court because you did not exist? How many car accidents did you cause and slither away from because you don't exist? How many public services did you use from parks to beaches or even fire and ambulance? How many trips to the hospital did you make for which you will not have to pay, EVER?
    I could give you hundreds of examples, but I fear you are lost is the shinny cloud that says its all the same where there's no such thing as "Tax Payers and Debt, Because The Big Government will pay because they have it and its free."
    Now I do hope you don't really believe in such foolishness, but comparing yourself like that is not mathematically sound and you know it.
    What was it a few days, a week, two or more? But during that time you were still working, paying taxes, participating the country in a positive fashion. Where at any point did you reap the benefits of a system you did not put into?
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    Guyupstairs October 15, 2009 20:22:26 (edited)
    Guyupstairs
    uh, they are illegal!



    We do not need immigration reform, we need people to enter legally.

    Try to move the Canada, try to enter Canada illegally and you will find out.
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    left-libertarian October 15, 2009 20:15:48 (edited)
    left-libertarian
    Many of the so-called champions of the constitution often go astray on this issue. There is simply nothing in the constitution that gives the federal government power to regulate immigration. There were no immigration restrictions in the country until the 1800s. (and even still the restrictions were at the state level.)

    Also all the arguments against the freedom to freely associate are red herrings. Example, illegal immigrants are soaking up welfare. This is an argument against welfare not immigration and is therefore a red herring, the list goes on and on.

    Simply because the truth is the freedom to vote with your feet and freely associate with who you please is a human right that has passed the trial of time and human history and there is no intellectually honest argument against it.
  • Sal the... left-li... October 15, 2009 22:54:21 (edited)
    Sal the tactless wonder
    Thank you for your contribution to this discussion.
  • Shark left-li... October 16, 2009 02:33:25
    Shark
    Red Herring????
    You do not see a correlation between the welfare dollars and the soaking up of it by 10% of the population of Mexico?
  • left-li... Shark October 16, 2009 04:38:37
    left-libertarian
    Have a look at what the Red Herring logical fallacy entails:

    http://grammar.about.com/od/r...
  • Shark left-li... October 16, 2009 05:44:55
    Shark
    a new generation of trainee spin doctors
  • left-li... Shark October 16, 2009 05:46:56
    left-libertarian
    What's your point?
  • Shark left-li... October 16, 2009 05:58:28 (edited)
    Shark
    I found it on:
    http://grammar.about.com/od/r...
    and I find it funny that you jsut say: What's your point", but do not denie the statement. Thanks for that.
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    Knot_RIch October 15, 2009 20:02:47
    Knot_RIch
    How about you ask the residents of those California "sanctuary cities" about illegal immigrants? They might have a thing or 12 to tell you. How about the hospitals that have shut down because they can no longer afford to provide the free health care. Access to "subsidized" health care, they already have it, they don't need a government plan, we already pay for them. What are the hospitals going to do, lock them out? How about all those jobs they're doing that Americans won't? Like all those jobs at the meat packing plants that had hundreds lined up for after the illegals were hauled off, or the chicken processing plant near here where over 500 people were in line the morning after 130 illegal immigrants were hauled off? Maybe it's those brick laying jobs the illegal immigrants were doing in a town next door that was finally busted after unemployed American bricklayers began protesting outside the work site. Maybe it's all the schools we have to add here because the illegal immigrant population is growing so fast, and hire gang control officers for those schools too for some reason. Maybe it's watching my local hospitals raise rates 5-6% a year to cover the cost of "non-paying" customers? Or maybe it's the neighborhoods that were once nice quiet middle class but are ...


    How about you ask the residents of those California "sanctuary cities" about illegal immigrants? They might have a thing or 12 to tell you. How about the hospitals that have shut down because they can no longer afford to provide the free health care. Access to "subsidized" health care, they already have it, they don't need a government plan, we already pay for them. What are the hospitals going to do, lock them out? How about all those jobs they're doing that Americans won't? Like all those jobs at the meat packing plants that had hundreds lined up for after the illegals were hauled off, or the chicken processing plant near here where over 500 people were in line the morning after 130 illegal immigrants were hauled off? Maybe it's those brick laying jobs the illegal immigrants were doing in a town next door that was finally busted after unemployed American bricklayers began protesting outside the work site. Maybe it's all the schools we have to add here because the illegal immigrant population is growing so fast, and hire gang control officers for those schools too for some reason. Maybe it's watching my local hospitals raise rates 5-6% a year to cover the cost of "non-paying" customers? Or maybe it's the neighborhoods that were once nice quiet middle class but are now run down slum areas known as "Little Mexico" that are so violent that the local police won't go in except in force.
    Yes, we're all immigrants, but our ancestors followed the rules, went through the process, LEARNED ENGLISH, BECAME CITIZENS.
    Yeah, nice comparison to China and India, just hesitate to take note, they work for a buck an hour or less. Wonder why, could it be something about those billion people? Are you willing to work for those wages, with their (lack of) benefits, under their conditions? How about trading your life here for a life like the average factory worker there? Still attractive?
    Legal/Illegal, there is more of a difference than 2 letters, look them up.
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  • Sal the... Knot_RIch October 15, 2009 22:56:19
    Sal the tactless wonder
    look below "heart of glass" just told me a thing or 12.
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    Andrea October 15, 2009 19:54:50 (edited)
    Andrea
    They could be apart of Al-queda or whatever!!

    If it has to do with the word "illegal" its not good. Thats 2nd grade stuff
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    jeffy October 15, 2009 19:42:27
    jeffy
    THEY come over not U.S.A PEOPLE THEY come over take millions of AMERICANS JOBS BY saying WE wont cost you as much no taxes not as much to pay us now look what i just put in use your brain give me your awnser soon
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    heart of glass October 15, 2009 19:30:06
    heart of glass
    Having lived in farm communities in California my entire life I see all sides of this problem.

    They work incredibly hard doing jobs that are vital to our economy. But providing services to them costs too much. Some of them do pay taxes but many don't.

    It's such a multi faceted problem and I certainly don't have the answers.
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    Sal the... heart o... October 15, 2009 22:55:52
    Sal the tactless wonder
    Thanks for your response.
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    PolyTicks October 15, 2009 19:18:19
    PolyTicks
    I've got no problem with LEGAL immigrants, but the borders is a serious problem in the age of terrorism. As long as we're not enforcing the borders, terrorists can come and go as they please and we are at risk.
  • jeffy PolyTicks October 15, 2009 19:44:08
    jeffy
    your freeking sick start our own little army to get rid of this scum
  • +3 raves
    American Volcano October 15, 2009 19:10:14
    American Volcano
    illegal = against the law.

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