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FREED Jesus is LORD♥ 2011/11/17 14:16:08
"What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus?"

All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). If it were not for God's grace, we would be given over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. He does this for those who continually reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is “there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God” (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own hearts, and instead decide to worship a “god” of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

Instead of debating the fate of those who have never heard, we, as Christians, should be doing our best to make sure they do hear. We are called to spread the gospel throughout the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8). We know people reject the knowledge of God revealed in nature, and that must motivate us to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ. Only by accepting God’s grace through the Lord Jesus Christ can people be saved from their sins and rescued from an eternity apart from God.

If we assume that those who never hear the gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the gospel are saved, it is logical that we should make sure no one ever hears the gospel. The worst thing we could do would be to share the gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motivation for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the gospel and condemning themselves when they were previously saved because they had never heard the gospel?

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  • Keryn Taylor-Rhys 2011/12/06 13:36:58 (edited)
    Keryn Taylor-Rhys
    +2
    If God is all knowing, all powerful, all loving, and capable of doing anything, why doesn't He just love everyone, and accept us as we are. How many parents would condemn their children to damnation for ETERNITY because they disagree with us? God should be at least as loving as the average parent. I can't stand how small and petty Almighty God is made by all the rules of Christian doctrine. It makes a mockery of God. Do you really think God is such a moron as to intentionally create IMPERFECT beings, then tell them to be perfect or face damnation? REALLY?? Wow.

    I really would like to believe in God. But here, in a nutshell, is my dilemma:

    1) Why did God have such a change of heart for the New Testament - transforming from an angry, vengeful God into a more kind and forgiving one - does it mean he wasn't perfect in the first place? Is God evolving too ... if so, the whole "perfection" thing is a HUGE fallacy.

    2) The New Testament asks humanity to believe that a perfect God A) created a flawed creature and then B) demanded of the flawed creature that he achieve perfection or be damned FOR ALL ETERNITY. Sounds like a sick joke to me.

    3) Then this God gives us a moronic, circuitous route to salvation, by believing that ONE MAN was the one and only device by which all men may...

    If God is all knowing, all powerful, all loving, and capable of doing anything, why doesn't He just love everyone, and accept us as we are. How many parents would condemn their children to damnation for ETERNITY because they disagree with us? God should be at least as loving as the average parent. I can't stand how small and petty Almighty God is made by all the rules of Christian doctrine. It makes a mockery of God. Do you really think God is such a moron as to intentionally create IMPERFECT beings, then tell them to be perfect or face damnation? REALLY?? Wow.

    I really would like to believe in God. But here, in a nutshell, is my dilemma:

    1) Why did God have such a change of heart for the New Testament - transforming from an angry, vengeful God into a more kind and forgiving one - does it mean he wasn't perfect in the first place? Is God evolving too ... if so, the whole "perfection" thing is a HUGE fallacy.

    2) The New Testament asks humanity to believe that a perfect God A) created a flawed creature and then B) demanded of the flawed creature that he achieve perfection or be damned FOR ALL ETERNITY. Sounds like a sick joke to me.

    3) Then this God gives us a moronic, circuitous route to salvation, by believing that ONE MAN was the one and only device by which all men may achieve redemption - regardless of deeds or goodness. You could be a wonderful person - but sadly a Jew, and off to hell you go, TO BURN AND SUFFER FOR ALL TIME. Or you could be a murderous Christian, with Christ as your savior, and off to Heaven you go.

    4) Judging by this scheme, the Christian God is a moron. The rest is just rules, and made up concepts like purgatory, venial sins, mortal sins, degrees of forgiveness, and it makes a mockery of God. I would very much like to believe in God, but I'm afraid his religion makes it nigh impossible. I'm trying here, I really am.
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  • GregGarrett 2011/12/01 03:24:17
    GregGarrett
    +1
    Sorry I choose not to believe in an all powerful being that there is no proof of. I would also choose not to believe in anybody or anything that is so petty that the simple lack of belief is punishable by eternal torment. I also don't believe in the devil, I believe in myself. I believe that if I do good in this world good will come back to me because I have surrounded myself with good thoughts, acts and intentions. To tell me I am damned for this is not something that is ever going to get me to convert.
  • Radical Ed 2011/11/20 20:47:39
    Radical Ed
    who be this jezuz fella?
  • Luckydog38 2011/11/18 17:29:53 (edited)
    Luckydog38
    I often ask this question in prayer of the Lord. While none of us can know the actual dialogue God has with other individuals (as we are not them and he assures us he deals with us each individually) I have read, recently,a passage that resonated with me on this issue. John 10 (The Good Shepherd) Most of us have read or heard this passage SEVERAL times in our life (as Christians) but, just as I often find in my reading of scripture, God will reveal something new as if it was never there before when I was reading. Christ makes the statement "I have other sheep in other pens" I feel, while this can represent other causes of Christ we may feel correct to assign this statement to those who we are not in touch with in OUR witness. It allows for the job to be in Christs hands and it allows for US being shepherded over as knowing children off God. Christ may choose to speak to these children in the quiet before death. (notice I said "may" so as not to presume Christs intentions. : )



    The specific passage is:

    14“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.



    16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall ...



    I often ask this question in prayer of the Lord. While none of us can know the actual dialogue God has with other individuals (as we are not them and he assures us he deals with us each individually) I have read, recently,a passage that resonated with me on this issue. John 10 (The Good Shepherd) Most of us have read or heard this passage SEVERAL times in our life (as Christians) but, just as I often find in my reading of scripture, God will reveal something new as if it was never there before when I was reading. Christ makes the statement "I have other sheep in other pens" I feel, while this can represent other causes of Christ we may feel correct to assign this statement to those who we are not in touch with in OUR witness. It allows for the job to be in Christs hands and it allows for US being shepherded over as knowing children off God. Christ may choose to speak to these children in the quiet before death. (notice I said "may" so as not to presume Christs intentions. : )



    The specific passage is:

    14“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.



    16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.



    17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
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  • Ron–Born from Above 2011/11/18 15:53:29
    Ron–Born from Above
    +1
    In his book, A READY DEFENSE, Josh McDowell makes the following assertion: "Although the Scriptures never explicitly teach that someone who has never heard of Jesus can be saved, we do believe that it infers this. We do believe that every person will have an opportunity to repent, and that God will not exclude anyone because he happened to be born at the wrong place or at the wrong time." The author goes on to say, "Even though we do not know how [God] will deal with these people [who have not personally heard about Jesus] specifically, we know His judgment will be fair."
  • Luckydog38 Ron–Bor... 2011/11/18 17:29:50
    Luckydog38
    +1
    Love that book.
  • shadow76 2011/11/18 14:20:49
    shadow76
    +1
    You go to hell that is why churches have missionaries
  • Jluv1300 shadow76 2011/11/19 15:59:12
    Jluv1300
    Hell? Where exactly is it? It's clearly not a physical place,nor is Heaven. Why doesn't "God" open up the skies and talk to us like he did in biblical times? Or why don't we live to be 900 yrs old like Methuselah? The bible just doesn't make sense.
  • shadow76 Jluv1300 2011/11/19 16:46:22
    shadow76
    Hell is a place where God isn't. On earth there is no such place. Jesus was in hell when on the cross he cried out " My God My God wherefore art thou?"
  • Lady Whitewolf 2011/11/18 12:39:29
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Heard of him...

    DON'T WANT HIM - OR his old man.

    Happily Pagan!
  • Brightsprite62 2011/11/18 00:38:11
    Brightsprite62
    +2
    Excellent points Freed. I would rather stand before the father knowing I had done all I could then knowing I did nothing.
  • sheratan 2011/11/17 15:39:45
    sheratan
    Imagine someone who lives in the Amazon forest and has really never heard of Jesus, God or the Bible.

    Her has no access to civilization, electricity or any media.

    Will he be saved?
  • shadow76 sheratan 2011/11/18 14:22:02
    shadow76
    Again missionaries
  • Jluv1300 shadow76 2011/11/19 15:50:53
    Jluv1300
    What if missionaries can't or just don't get there? All religion is is a bunch of conflicting opinions. I believe we live and we die. How long we're on this earth is just luck of the draw and genes.
  • FREED J... sheratan 2011/11/18 14:51:08
    FREED Jesus is LORD♥
    Please reread the post.
    Blessings†
  • G.J. hard left manifestoe... 2011/11/17 15:06:28
    G.J.   hard left manifestoe01/21
    no excuse today turn on the television there are several televangelist preach the holy word look for the Jimmy Swaggaert show the word is true and the music is excellent. not to mention if a man like Jimmy Swaggaert who was just about destroyed by the devil in the 1980 still has a worship show on the air we serve a great God he has forgiven Jimmy for his many events that were Jimmy letting the devil run his life. We all need to get to know our father in heaven creator of every thing who loves all of his children; God hates the sin not the sinner. when God was taken from the public schools we has a problem with child pregnancy drugs, disrespect, poor education results. and the list go on and on. Please read John 3:16 in a bible
  • Barbara 2011/11/17 14:51:37
    Barbara
    +1
    God is revealed in many ways, but anyone who dies to this world without hearing about the sacrifice and redemption of the Saviour will go to heaven because they were never given the chance to choose whether to believe or not. If you have heard and rejected it, that's when things go downhill, so to speak.
    The main reason to keep witnessing to others and spread the faith is because Christ will not return until the last person is saved and, frankly, with the way things are going, I'm ready for His return!
  • carri byers 2011/11/17 14:32:47
    carri byers
    +1
    So children who were born and died young during the reign of Communist Russia - where life was hard, God was expelled, and religious affiliations snuffed - are destined for hell? What about those born in India or Muslim countries where a person could go their entire lives without hearing about the God of Christianity? There are fallacies in this argument that don't speak to a just and fair God. The idea of paradise and spirit prison where the dead await judgment and proselyting and teaching of Christ still go on and those who never heard of Him are given the chance to accept him makes much more sense.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/17 14:21:41
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Amen to that!

    Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

    Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
  • Torchma... Torchma... 2011/11/17 14:23:51
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    Having known of two supposed 'atheists' death bed actions, I do not believe anyone who says that they don't believe in God.
  • Joe61 2011/11/17 14:18:14 (edited)
    Joe61
    +2
    Nothing......God, only acknoledges those who have rejected him. If you have never heard of Jesus then you can't reject him.

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