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What do you think about transgendered people?

boltfox20 2012/05/27 12:32:59
If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
I don't care what they want, they are what they are and can't change.
Perhaps not now, but I will accept them when they can change completely.
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What defines a male or female? Most people would say it's the chromosomes. Some say the genitalia is the defining factor. A select few claim that the gender you are born with is all that matters. Are any of these true?

"Human sex is determined by containing SRY or not. Once SRY is activated, cells create testosterone and anti-müllerian hormone to turn the genderless sex organs into male. With females, their cells excrete estrogen, driving the body down the female pathway. Despite the fact that SRY seems to be the main gene in determining male characteristics, it requires the action of multiple genes to develop testes. In XY mice, lack of the gene DAX1 on the X chromosome results in sterility, but in humans it causes adrenal hypoplasia congenita. However, when an extra DAX1 gene is placed on the X, the result is a female, despite the existence of SRY. Also, even when there are normal sex chromosomes in XX females, duplication or expression of SOX9 causes testes to develop. Gradual sex reversal in developed mice can also occur when the gene FOXL2 is removed from females."
~ Wikipedia

So, apparently, there are many factors which determine the gender of a human. The inclusion of mice above is due to them having the closest genome to our own, nearly identical. As such, if removing the FOXL2 gene in mice will cause a reversal (from female) then it is logical to assume the same or similar will occur in humans.

Reading the rest of the article, one can learn that not only are the chromosomes not the main defining factor in the gender of humans, but there are many situations where there are XY females and XX males. Pushing this to the extreme, it is entirely possible for a woman to have identical twins where the male lost his SRY and the female gained the SRY, thus swapping the genders. Without a DNA check, would the mother even notice there was a switch?

So, where does this leave transgendered people, those who identify as the opposite gender and actively attempt to change their sex? It leaves them hope for achieving their goals. It is possible in developing humans to change the gender, and it is theoretically possible in adult females to reverse their gender. In the very near future, the gender change could be more than simply cosmetic.

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  • Joanie 2012/05/28 18:33:27
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Joanie
    +3
    I am probably one of the few out transsexual people on Sodahead. And I can assure you that gender identity is determined at birth and that it does not always match chromosomes or sex organs. When gender identity does not match chromosomes and/or sex organs, a transsexual is born. We generally transition at some point in our lives to the sex of the gender identity we were born with. This is not only my personal experience; it is the considered judgment of the medical community. The only ones who have "issues" about "allowing" transgender people to be recognized as the sex of the gender identity with which we were born are people who are unwilling, usually because of some non-scientific religious or "faith-based" beliefs, to accept scientific fact. Others are simply bigots who feel uncomfortable around people who are different.

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  • Joanie 2012/05/28 18:33:27
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Joanie
    +3
    I am probably one of the few out transsexual people on Sodahead. And I can assure you that gender identity is determined at birth and that it does not always match chromosomes or sex organs. When gender identity does not match chromosomes and/or sex organs, a transsexual is born. We generally transition at some point in our lives to the sex of the gender identity we were born with. This is not only my personal experience; it is the considered judgment of the medical community. The only ones who have "issues" about "allowing" transgender people to be recognized as the sex of the gender identity with which we were born are people who are unwilling, usually because of some non-scientific religious or "faith-based" beliefs, to accept scientific fact. Others are simply bigots who feel uncomfortable around people who are different.
  • angelbaby 2012/05/28 05:40:38
    I don't care what they want, they are what they are and can't change.
    angelbaby
    +1
    It is what it is ..
  • boltfox20 angelbaby 2012/05/28 10:35:00
    boltfox20
    And what is it?
  • angelbaby boltfox20 2012/05/28 21:14:04
    angelbaby
    You tell me
  • boltfox20 angelbaby 2012/05/29 14:55:41 (edited)
    boltfox20
    I can't. It's your post. =\
  • Chloey Hamer 2012/05/28 00:06:32
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Chloey Hamer
    I don't mind them.
  • Pat 2012/05/27 21:47:57
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Pat
    +1
    If someone identifies themselves as a certain gender, who am I to say that they are not that gender. It's good that now it's possible through surgery to actually become the gender that you feel you are. It must be awful to live in a body that just doesn't seem like it belongs to you.
  • Shawna 2012/05/27 21:33:24
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Shawna
    +1
    That's not quite how I would put it, but it's closest to what I think. Gender identity is in our minds as well as our bodies and the process of creating that gender happens in utero due to a bombardment of hormones. Sometimes there is a screw up and the brain gender and the body gender don't match. Medical science can change the body gender but it cannot change the brain gender. It is a wonderful thing that people trapped in this gender conflict can be made comfortable and happy.
  • ColourfulxRain 2012/05/27 20:36:03
    Undecided
    ColourfulxRain
    +1
    It's their choice..i personally find it going a bit too far. Even if you do have the surgery it'll never be 'natural' so to speak. But people can do whatever they want with their time or money. As long as it's their money...
    Its not harming anyone.
  • Candace Washington 2012/05/27 20:32:31
    Undecided
    Candace Washington
    I have no idea
  • kennypart1 2012/05/27 20:23:46
    Undecided
    kennypart1
    As Jesus says in the bible, there is neither male nor female
  • boltfox20 kennypart1 2012/05/28 10:36:26
    boltfox20
    Really? Can you give me that passage?
  • kennypart1 boltfox20 2012/05/28 13:59:43
    kennypart1
    Galatians 3-28
  • boltfox20 kennypart1 2012/05/29 14:57:04
    boltfox20
    +1
    Thank you very much ^_^
  • Matt 2012/05/27 14:42:03
    Undecided
    Matt
    +1
    Sometimes, transgenders occur naturally, as in the case of hermaphrodites. Usually, gender reassignment is the result of surgery and hormone therapy. I absolutely do not understand it.

    A man spending several thousand dollars to become a woman is like a politician spending $10 million dollars to get a $200k job.
    funny gender reassignment
  • boltfox20 Matt 2012/05/27 14:49:24
    boltfox20
    +2
    Sometimes it's someone who is simply more comfortable with that gender, sometimes there is an innate feeling of their gender simply being wrong.

    If you had the distinct feeling that you were in the wrong body, nothing felt right, and you knew there was a way to get the body you know you should have, wouldn't you take the opportunity if you could?

    That's usually how it is, as I understand it.
  • Matt boltfox20 2012/05/27 15:22:20
    Matt
    +2
    I spent the first nine months of my existence, inside a woman's body, and since then, I have spent a great deal of time and money, trying to get back in. I just have no concept of the way that they feel, but I bear them no animosity. My late wife took this picture, outside of a transgender show bar, on Bourbon St., in New Orleans. For size reference, I am 6' 2" tall and weigh about 250#.
    Trans
  • boltfox20 Matt 2012/05/27 16:51:42
    boltfox20
    +1
    I do have one question...

    Was that a real picture of Keith Richards? He makes an ugly woman. =\
  • Matt boltfox20 2012/05/27 17:14:50
    Matt
    +1
    That was a picture of the late songstress, Amy Winehouse.
  • boltfox20 Matt 2012/05/28 10:37:06
    boltfox20
    Shame.

    ... Still an ugly woman. =\
  • Chancy99: Plague Rat 2012/05/27 14:22:24
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Chancy99: Plague Rat
    +3
    It's just how they are. I know many Trans people, I've even dated a Transwoman. They know they were in the wrong body, and what to fix that.
  • Metaldane 2012/05/27 13:20:23
    If they want to be identified as a certain gender, then they are that gender.
    Metaldane
    +2
    If they wanna switch genders I don't care I don't get what the big deal is I've actually met some trans people they're just people lol
  • Schläue~© 2012/05/27 13:18:58
    Undecided
    Schläue~©
    +2
    I don't doubt that many are born with a little from column 'A' and a little from column 'B' which they had no control over.
    However, it's also apparent that many make a choice merely because they, 'identify' with the opposite and it's more of a preference.
    What they do with it is their business but need to understand the issues that arise by making a switch.
  • 001 2012/05/27 13:12:47
    Undecided
    001
    +2
    It's too black/white to say anyone is the gender they want to be. Some people are born in a certain body and NATURALLY change into the other gender (this can be during childhood, puberty or even with adults), others don't feel like they belong in their body and never have. In those cases I will readily accept it. If you just get up one day and decide you'd rather be something else, that doesn't change who you are.
  • Sister Jean 2012/05/27 12:49:50
    Undecided
    Sister Jean
    +1
    their business
  • Wahvlvke 2012/05/27 12:45:53
    Undecided
    Wahvlvke
    +1
    I see someone in serious need of mental health intervention.
  • boltfox20 Wahvlvke 2012/05/27 12:46:25
  • Wahvlvke boltfox20 2012/05/27 15:22:51
    Wahvlvke
    Think about it a minute.
  • boltfox20 Wahvlvke 2012/05/27 16:48:14
    boltfox20
    +1
    Or you could answer the question.

    I've thought about it a great deal. I see them as being just as normal as I am. As such, it is up to you to tell me why you think they are in need of an intervention.
  • Wahvlvke boltfox20 2012/05/27 21:12:10
    Wahvlvke
    You see nothing abnormal about some guy wanting tits and a cuttadicoffamy? You see nothing abnormal about some chick seeking an addadictomy? They are wired wrong ... unable to accept what they are. Perhaps you need a little intervention yourself if you think this is normal.
  • David H... Wahvlvke 2012/05/28 05:59:45
    David Hussey
    +2
    So they are wired wrong. Why should they have to go through life dealing with the consequences? That is like saying to a child born with a congenital heart defect "Sorry, you were just made that way. We could fix it for you, but too bad, live with it.... for a short time"
  • Wahvlvke David H... 2012/05/28 11:54:56
    Wahvlvke
    +1
    I believe I recomended mental health intervention.
  • David H... Wahvlvke 2012/05/29 00:07:59
    David Hussey
    +2
    And if psychological therapy yields no positive results, what then? Force them to life out their lives in misery? Personally, if someone believes this is what they need to be happy in their lives, who am I to say no to them? Or to dictate to them what is or is not an acceptable means of pursuing happiness? As it causes no harm to anyone they should be free to do as they please, not what pleases me or you
  • Wahvlvke David H... 2012/05/29 12:31:38
    Wahvlvke
    Bottom line ... I don't give a rats ass.
  • boltfox20 Wahvlvke 2012/05/29 15:02:32
    boltfox20
    +2
    And that, good sir, is the problem that needs to be solved.
  • David H... boltfox20 2012/05/30 00:46:05
    David Hussey
    +1
    Exactly
  • Wahvlvke boltfox20 2012/05/30 12:16:07
    Wahvlvke
    No ... the real problem is getting libertards to accept the fact that people who are screwed up are in fact screwed up.
  • boltfox20 Wahvlvke 2012/05/30 14:31:08 (edited)
    boltfox20
    +1
    We accept that all the time, but you always seem to refuse treatment.
  • boltfox20 Wahvlvke 2012/05/28 10:41:04
    boltfox20
    +1
    First off, I'd like to say I love those pseudo scientific words. They made me laugh. ^_^

    Secondly, we are unable to alter the brain in this fashion and probably wouldn't want to even if we could. Altering the brain means altering the person, something that is highly shunned in our society, unless you're in favor of brainwashing like some creationists are. In either case, it is significantly easier and less expensive to alter the body and not the mind.

    All you are accomplishing is making these people feel less than human. That's not good for anyone.
  • Wahvlvke boltfox20 2012/05/28 11:57:24
    Wahvlvke
    If the person is screwed up ... why not alter the person? The surgery is a phoney "fix".

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