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Was the Roman version of Jesus Christ just a retelling of Mithra mysteries?

bob 2012/08/06 14:39:13
The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the mithraic version. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra.
Mithra and Jesus had identical life experiences, although Mithra was born on December 25 600 years before Jesus Christ
All the similarities between Mithra and Jesus Christ are just happen stance.
Roman version of Jesus Christ is just a retelling of Mithra mysteries
Roman version of Jesus Christ (Mithra) is statisfied the Roman Military and the followers of Jesus Christ
Jesus is a Reincarnation of Mithra
The stories told of Jesus christ and Mithra are nothing more than fairy stories
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  • Mithra 2012/08/06 22:23:17 (edited)
    The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the mithraic version....
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  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/08/07 10:21:53
    Roman version of Jesus Christ is just a retelling of Mithra mysteries
    Lady Whitewolf
    Yup
  • kobidobidog 2012/08/07 04:09:53
    None of the above
    kobidobidog
    Here we go again. Jesus is separate from the other gods. Satan wants in the worst away to have us think they are Alike.
  • bob kobidob... 2012/08/07 13:58:42
    bob
    Satan is boogie man for Christian Fairy Tales, nothing more. The bible is nothing but a collection of fairy tales only around 1,700 years ago. The majority of these fairy tales come from other sources.
  • kobidob... bob 2012/08/07 19:45:37 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    If the bible KJV is a fairy tail it is a fairy tail humans do not follow or believer for if they did our existence would be a lot better loving all as one being better than being divided waring with each other with the wisdom of man that is not by you called a fairy tail.
  • Muskoka 2012/08/07 04:02:46
    None of the above
    Muskoka
    +2
    All religions and gods are based on superstitions and fears. They were created by man to explain all the mysteries of the universe that he did not understand.
  • JenSemPa Muskoka 2012/08/07 15:25:45
    JenSemPa
    +1
    Really?

    Prove it.

    Or are you one of those atheists who demand proof and evidence from others -- while hypocritically giving yourself permission to assert anything you want, with no proof or evidence as backup?
  • bob Muskoka 2012/08/13 13:10:40
    bob
    agreed
  • smilinbobs 2012/08/07 01:29:19
    The stories told of Jesus christ and Mithra are nothing more than fairy stories
    smilinbobs
    +2
    There were many Greek and Roman stories that predated the Jesus story and had many things in common with the Jesus story. Many parts of the New Testament of the Bible are taken from Greek (mythology). You will find if you read Homer's Odyssey, The story of Heracles. Which predate Jesus there are many similarities to the Jesus story. For many of us we realize that these are fictional stories about fictional characters.
  • rand 2012/08/07 01:05:27
    None of the above
    rand
    +2
    Much was adopted from the Mithra myths in fashioning a state religion of Christianity to serve Constantine's purpose. The author may have been trying to write that but "is statisfied" doesn't make sense to me.
  • Templar 2012/08/07 00:37:09
    The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the mithraic version....
    Templar
    +19
    The whole effort of the Protestant reformation has been to remove Pagan elements from Catholicism. Catholicism is Mithraism with a very thin layer of Christian paint smeared on it. One thing in particular bothers me is people celebration Yalda, the birth of Mithras, as Christmas. December 25 is the birth of Mithras. Jesus was born at tax collection time and when shepherds stayed with their flocks on the hills at night. Not Winter. Probably June.
    Herbert Armstrong wrote his tract, "The Plain Truth About Christmas" in 1952.
    http://www.coghomeschool.org/...
    Why are Christians still celebrating the Winter Solstice, the birth of Mithras, the Invincible Sun?
    We need to stop it and set a new date, probably in June, for Christmas.
  • Rose Templar 2012/08/07 13:56:54
    Rose
    +12
    How about June 20, the Summer Solstice, the longest day in the year?
  • mikenassau 2012/08/07 00:22:56
    The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the mithraic version....
    mikenassau
    +20
    Mithraism was the main religion of the Mitanni kingdom about 1500 B.C. Mitanni means land of Mitra. The Mitanni were formed by an Indic groups conquering and being absorbed by Hurrians, their pantheon included many of the same gods as Hinduism, Indra, Mitra, etc.
    groups conquering absorbed hurrians pantheon included gods hinduism indra mitra
    As the religion spread to Armenia and Phygia, the name was modified to Mithras. Mithras usually had a goddess consort who was worshipped by the women. In Anatolia and the Balkans (Phrygia, Lydia, Thrace, Greece, Illyria, etc.) it was usually the Phrygian goddess Cybele. In Persia and Armenia it was usually Anahita. In Rome. Cybele was identified with the Mother Goddess.
    After the conquest of Phrygia and Cappadocia and the Armenian wars, Mithraism became the main religion of the Roman Army and spread throughout the empire, but particularly along the northern frontier.
  • Mithra 2012/08/06 22:23:17 (edited)
  • lyle 2012/08/06 22:10:30
    None of the above
    lyle
    what does it even matter ?????......the message is real
  • Muskoka lyle 2012/08/07 04:04:28
    Muskoka
    If it is all bases on superstition and fiction, how can the message be real?
  • lyle Muskoka 2012/08/07 21:58:36
    lyle
    +1
    well the message is love....the message is forgiveness.......the message is be who you are..........and when we 'let go' all that toxic thinking that we do......something happens........i'm sure many people thru the ages have experimented / learned this.......Jesus (or someone) understood this......cause there's the words in black & white
  • bob lyle 2012/08/07 14:01:56
    bob
    real fairy stories
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/08/06 21:22:35
    None of the above
    jackolantyrn356
    All you seem to be doing is quoting several scholars who have for years believed in Jesus nor Mithra. The Romans who believed in this Myth....................... Roman Soldiers went gladly to their death for this false God.
    Notice how Jesus Christ talked so much about falsehood and the fact that he wass the ral thing. Satan the Father of all LIES worked hard to kill you so you could be dropped off into eternal Hell...................
  • Muskoka jackola... 2012/08/07 04:05:10 (edited)
    Muskoka
    Thousand have gone to their death for false gods including the christians god.

    All religions think their god is the only true god.
  • bob jackola... 2012/08/07 14:03:42
    bob
    The concept of hell is from greek origin. The original followers of Jesus did not believe in hell. The Majority of the Christain mythos are retold fairy tales.
  • gryphon1 2012/08/06 20:17:19
    None of the above
    gryphon1
    I have to laugh at the ignorance of so many atheists and others who believe Mithras and Jesus were basically the same thing. It comes up all the time in a "let's get a rise out of the Christians" kinda game. Roman version or the far older and unlinked Persian version Christian, Secular and Mithraic scholars agree: they are not the same story. Here is a great explanation: http://christopherbutler.word...
  • Muskoka gryphon1 2012/08/07 04:07:56
    Muskoka
    You go ahead and laugh as the life stories of the other 50 crucified saviors are nearly identical to that of Jesus. Even the 10 commandments were taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Which is not surprising as Moses was raised as an Egyptian for over 40 years of his life.

    You should actually try and read at least one book besides your bible and educate yourself.
  • gryphon1 Muskoka 2012/08/07 13:39:46
    gryphon1
    LOL wow, I have read more books in my life than you ever will. You provide no evidence, because we both know there is none to substantiate your claim that can stand up to scrutiny. First, there were no 50 crucified saviors that were nearly identical to Christ. Two, the 10 Commandments did not come from the Book of the Dead, they were codified human wisdom given by God to people of all cultures. I know the sources you want to use here, thoroughly debunked. I wish you well in your search, enjoy the day.
  • bob gryphon1 2012/08/07 14:04:53
    bob
    There is no evidence of first hand accounts of Jesus either
  • gryphon1 bob 2012/08/07 14:06:30
    gryphon1
    Sure there are Bob, but I understand why people who don't want to believe reject them.
  • irish -liberty or death! 2012/08/06 18:36:46
    None of the above
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    and mithras takes after osiris. and others. only the names of the title character change.
  • Horace 2012/08/06 18:28:37
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    Horace
    The problem with relating later stories back to Mithra was that Mithraism was a mystery cult so we don't know all that much about it before the time of Christ. We do know that it existed before Christ and that sometime after the time of Christ these beliefs came out into the open and resembled Christianity, however we have no way of knowing whether these beliefs are the same ones being that were being practiced by the followers of Mithra in the centuries previous. In fact the more research that is being done on Mithraism the more it is starting to look like they changed there beliefs in order to mimic the incredible successful spread of Christianity, for example in later incarnations Mithras is said to be born from a immaculately from a virgin, however archaeological digs from the first century digs from the first century B.C. portray Mithras being born out of a thunderbolt striking a rock which produced him as a youth with a sword in his hands. Similar things were done by interpreting the primordial bull that Mithras was said to have slain as himself, thereby tying themselves to the Christian notion of self sacrifice after the fact. In the archaeological evidence it is clear that Mithras himself did not sacrifice himself but rather (like any good soldier god) went off, kill...
    The problem with relating later stories back to Mithra was that Mithraism was a mystery cult so we don't know all that much about it before the time of Christ. We do know that it existed before Christ and that sometime after the time of Christ these beliefs came out into the open and resembled Christianity, however we have no way of knowing whether these beliefs are the same ones being that were being practiced by the followers of Mithra in the centuries previous. In fact the more research that is being done on Mithraism the more it is starting to look like they changed there beliefs in order to mimic the incredible successful spread of Christianity, for example in later incarnations Mithras is said to be born from a immaculately from a virgin, however archaeological digs from the first century digs from the first century B.C. portray Mithras being born out of a thunderbolt striking a rock which produced him as a youth with a sword in his hands. Similar things were done by interpreting the primordial bull that Mithras was said to have slain as himself, thereby tying themselves to the Christian notion of self sacrifice after the fact. In the archaeological evidence it is clear that Mithras himself did not sacrifice himself but rather (like any good soldier god) went off, killed the monster and bathed in its blood to achieve immortality, hardly congruous to Christianity. The historical information also makes it unlikely that Christianity would have borrowed highly from Mithraism, Christianity was started by a group of poor, illiterate Jewish peasants, how under the Roman Empire would not have seen military service. Mithraism, was a mystery cult, one whose mysteries would have been kept under lock and key by its faithful, the highest ranks of the Roman Army, in Rome. It is extremely unlikely that these mysteries would have been known to the early Christians. Fascinating topic though, I'd love to hear what other people think.
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  • Mike 2012/08/06 16:26:50
    None of the above
    Mike
    bob, I left sodahead for two months and your still trying to rag on god, give it a break
  • Sam DePecan 2012/08/06 15:52:27
    None of the above
    Sam DePecan
    +1
    This wouldn't have anything to do with the "Gun-Play" in Milwaukee; would it? . . . ? ?
  • cupcakes 2012/08/06 15:33:56 (edited)
    The stories told of Jesus christ and Mithra are nothing more than fairy stories
    cupcakes
    the bible its self is unoriginal
  • bob cupcakes 2012/08/06 15:53:53
    bob
    +1
    The bible is 1,700 year old a series of fairy tales from earlier civilizations
  • cupcakes bob 2012/08/07 04:24:48
    cupcakes
    i meant unoriginal sorry
  • Muskoka cupcakes 2012/08/07 04:09:20
    Muskoka
    Not at all original, much is taken from Pagan origins.
  • cupcakes Muskoka 2012/08/07 04:24:23
    cupcakes
    i meant unoriginal
  • thє вluє wαndєrєr 2012/08/06 15:23:23 (edited)
  • kobidob... thє вlu... 2012/08/07 19:48:23
    kobidobidog
    Jesus is humble,and meek,The others are not. The others art cut, and past.
  • thє вlu... kobidob... 2012/08/07 21:55:38
  • kobidob... thє вlu... 2012/08/08 00:49:26
    kobidobidog
    You do not know Jesus at all.
  • thє вlu... kobidob... 2012/08/08 01:18:01 (edited)
  • kobidob... thє вlu... 2012/08/08 02:24:25
    kobidobidog
    What do you know of what I know to say such presumptuousness?

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