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THE PALEO DIET WAS REVEALED TO BE DEBUNKED

The Paleo diet has found to be a scam. It was exposed to be fallacious. And it was disproved by the NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, by real Paleontologists and Archaeologists themselves.
Here is just an example, The Paleo Diet (diet book authors who are not even archaeologists) erroneously claims paleolithic man didn't eat GRAINS. Well, real Archaeologists found Grain right in the teeth of Paleolithic man. And real paleontologists found Grain inside the caves of paleo Cavemen. Therefore the entire Founding Principle of the Paleo Diet or Primal Diet is now exposed as totally fallacious. It was made up, and the authors Robb Wolfe, Loren Cordain, and those pushing it including Mark Sisson, Richard Nikoley, etc are all found to have been telling people to do things based on what has now been uncovered as nutritional Fraud.

Didn't know this? Go see it for yourself. Type this into google: "STONEAGE MAN ATE GRAINS NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES" or any search engine. What you will see, is a whole list of hits scientifically verifying that Cavemen At Grains. And this has been confirmed in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. This nullifies the entire founding claims of Robb Wolf, Barry Groves, and all the rest of any and all Paleo quack diet sites. The paleolithic diet is now regarded by educated and informed people across the world as a pseudo-scientific scam diet and was debunked as fraud. Though a few are still duped by it.
NEWS: "MANKIND INDEED ATE GRAINS PRIOR TO 10,000 YEARS AGO."

Archaeologists have now confirmed evidence of Paleolithic man using Grains. Not only that, but Paleolithic man did Not eat just meat, it is now revealed that Paleolithic man prepared and refined not only grains, but ate many plants, and even did this far beyond 10,000 years ago. "The production of flour, was a common practice, widespread across Europe from at least 30,000 years ago."
-THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.


Now, look at the erroneous claims of the Paleo Diet...
WITNESS the following statements and Paleo, Caveman, PaNu, Cordain, Eades, Groves, NeanderThin, Robb Wolf, etc diet claims:

DEBUNKED: "Grains did not exist in the human diet until about 10,000 years ago" Dr. Cordain's ThePaleoDiet =Now Revealed False.

DEBUNKED: "These foods have only been around for 10000 years" -Caveman Diet=False.

DEBUNKED: "If it was not on the table 10000 years ago, don't eat it!" -Primal Diet=Debunked.

DEBUNKED: "Grains were not a substantial part of the human diet prior to the agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago"-30daysofPaleo=Debunked.

DEBUNKED: "the human brain has been steadily shrinking for the past 10000 years (9:10)-Robb Wolf=Discredited.

DEBUNKED: "The last 10000 years, the time in which we transitioned from hunting"-CrossFit=False.

DEBUNKED: "10000 years ago, in the beginning of agriculture"-The Paleo Solution=False.

DEBUNKED: "grains and dairy – only showed up about 10,000 years ago"-Paleo Primer=Fallacious.

DEBUNKED: "Since the advent of agriculture about 10000 years ago"-Dr. Barry Groves=Dr. Barry Groves Debunked.

DEBUNKED: "Strong, robust Cro-Magnons who settled into a life of agriculture circa 10000 years ago"-Dr. Michael Eades, Paleo Diet=Michael Eades Debunked.

DEBUNKED: "The Stone Age Diet or Hunter-Gatherer Diet, and the Paleolithic Diet are all based on the principle that people were much healthier 10,000 years ago"-Livestrong, Paleolithic Diet

It has now been revealed that Paleolithic man not only ate grains, but even may have made bread! And they didn't just start this 10,000 years ago, but they did it a whopping 30-thousand years ago! Right during the time nearly every paleo diet knockoff is saying mankind was 'healthy' this means grains are healthy. Now they are caught in a circular fallacy, meaning the fundamental claim pushed on the public by virtually every Paleo follower has been debunked by results coming down from the National Academy of Science.



THE VERY FOUNDING PRINCIPLE OF THE PALEO DIET & ITS BOOKS IS NOW COMPLETELY FALSE & DISCREDITED.

THE PALEOLITHIC DIET IS NOW REGARDED AS A PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC RUSE INTENDED TO DUPE THE LESSER-EDUCATED AND TO SELL DIET BOOKS.

MANY OF THOSE ENRAGED WHO BOUGHT THE PRIMAL DIET BOOKS ARE NOW SWITCHING AND ASKING FOR REFUNDS



LOOK FOR YOURSELF:

NEWS: "Thirty thousand-year-old evidence of plant food processing" - NATL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE
National Academy of Sciences confirms that Paleolithic StoneAge Man not only indeed ate GRAINS, but also processed them. In other words the paleolithic diet contained processed foods, and grain. A "paleo diet" book by an author trying to state that paleolithic man didn't eat grains, or didn't eat processed foods, and telling you not to do it because it's 'science' is ruled False.
"Food processing, and possibly the production of flour (eating grains and even bread), was a common practice, widespread." during paleolithic caveman times. Cavemen ate grain.
CONFIRMED: http://www.pnas.org/content/1...


NEWS: "Archaeologists found actual pieces of grain, along with cavemen's tools for processing it" - NATURE
"Processing of wild cereal grains in the Upper Palaeolithic revealed by starch grain analysis"
"Mortars and pestles with actual grains embedded in the pores were found dating back 23,000 years"
http://www.nature.com/nature/...


NEWS: Fossilized Neanderthal teeth had grain and starch in them" - CNN
"A new study shows they cooked and ate veggies, challenging an earlier theory that the early humans were carnivorous." -CNN
Neanderthals ate veggies. Grains and plants were found still in their teeth.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/H...


NEWS: "Prehistoric man ate flatbread 30,000 years ago: study" - PHYSORG
"Starch grains found on grinding stones confirm that prehistoric man may have consumed a type of bread at least 30,000 years ago"
“Prehistoric man may have dined on an early form of flat bread, contrary to his popular image as primarily a meat-eater."
"Grains recovered from grindstones and pestle grinders at three sites in Italy, Russia and the Czech Republic appeared to come mostly from starchy cattails and ferns, which researchers said would provide a significant source of carbohydrates and energy." - Now confirmed. Cavemen dined on Carbs.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2...


NEWS: "It's official: Grains were part of the original 'Paleo diet'"
"Archeology is now proving that Paleolithic man, in fact, ate grains as a regular part of the original "Paleolithic diet." That's right: The entire premise of the Paleo diet's anti-grain stance is false."
http://thespartandiet.blogspo...


NEWS: "The Stone Age Man's Food Pyramid Included Flour, Made From Wild Grain"
"flour would have given them greater independence from environmental and seasonal circumstances"
"in some cases were able identify the plants they came from. In Italy, these included the starch-rich rhizomes from Typha angustifolia as well as Brachypodium, grasses that have caryopsis, or grains, and are easy to grind and grow well in the area. Another grain was found that appears to be from Sparganium"
"No problem, says team member Laura Longo—those plants would have been widely distributed across Europe in those days. And if you cook them, the energy content is actually quite good, Longo says."
"A paleoanthropologist Gambier, Ohio, USA, expects that flour-making dates back even further than 30,000 years. [Indeed, it does, grain eating by man goes back 105,000 and even 250-thousand years.] “This is not isolated to a small group of people. It’s a regular part of subsistence for humans,” he says. After all, humans, ancient or modern, just aren’t equipped to live on a diet of meat alone. “If you get that much meat in your diet not balanced out with other nutrients, you get protein poisoning"
http://blogs.discovermagazine...


NEWS: "Cavemen ate bread" - DAILY MAIL UK
"The inclusion of cereals in our diet is considered an important step in human evolution.."
"Powerful microscopes discovered traces of starch grains on grinding stones recovered from archaeological sites in Italy, Russia and the Czech Republic." Essentially establishing that it was not just one tribe in one place, but eating grains by Paleolithic man was widespread all across the continents.
'It’s like a flatbread, like a pancake with just water and flour,” said Laura Longo, a researcher on the team"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sc...


NEWS: "Humans feasting on grains for more than 105,000 years" - SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
"Science unveiling their discovery in Mozambique of stone tools with thousands of wild grain residues on them dated to 105,000 years ago"
"Grains might have been an important part of human diets much further back in our history than previous research has suggested."
http://blogs.scientificameric...


THE PALEO DIET IS NOW REGARDED BY THE AUTHORITIES AS A SCAM BASED DIET AND IS WHOLLY DEBUNKED.

Note that the above post is talking about GRAINS.
(The above post is not saying that cavement 'only' ate meat, that is merely what one of the 'Quoted' publications was saying was also a mis-conception as well.)
It is the General Public, that often has the impression (think of a cartoon) that cavemen or neanderthals went around gobbling loads of meat, which is not correct, but rather large volumes of plants. And although paleo does Not tout that ancient man was a carnivore, which is completely false, still yet its proponents often tout phrases like 'eat like a caveman!' including many Paleo diet article authors, which pry upon people's erroneous impression that Paleo is the proof and justification for them to eat loads of meat, which is incorrect. The actual diet, of ancient paleolithic humans, is not only less in meat than thought by the public, but more importantly, "The Paleo Diet" as touted as being the diet by these Paleo authors and diet books is NOT what actual hominids ate.

In other words, The Paleo Diet as put forth by these diet book authors and presented to the public, is also not what paleolithic man actually ate. It's pseudo-science. GRAIN is just 1 example out of multiple violations and flawed science being put forth by these books. They spread the notion that Cavemen didn't eat grain, they did. And they tell you grain is unhealthy(wrong), that it only began 10K years ago(wrong), and lead somehow to all of our modern health problems(false), and to stop eating it, when in truth, at the Exact time period when these very same authors say that cavemen were supposedly healthy, they were eating grain. Its these same diet book authors who 'claim' man was healthy at that same time. (Nevermind the fact that actual cavemen on the paleo diet lead to their own death often by age 30).

There are dozens of fatal flaws in the Paleo Diet, the post above is merely the tip of the iceberg of false information put forth by this 'primal diet' plan. The one main thing to keep in mind and remember, is that the Paleo Diet puts forth the false ruse that Their "Paleo Diet" (the one in their books, and what they tell you is what they ate and we were 'evolved' to eat) is NOT the same as what actual ancient paleolithic man ate. That actual science confirms that paleolithic man did indeed eat Grain AND processed foods, is just 1 of hundreds of fallacious claims and flaws in the Paleo Diet.

There are more.
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For example here is just one: Do you drink water out of the tap in your house, or bottled water? Hm? - Well surprise, if you follow The Paleo Diet, whose authors contend that we should all eat and drink like the Cavemen did, then guess what. You can't do either of those.

You will need to drink POND WATER.

You can't drink any of the water in your house. That would be treated. (Processed. Chlorinated.) Bottled water is processed. (Filtered.) Cavemen didn't have it. So what you'll need to do, to follow the Paleolithic Diet is you'll from now on need to go outside and drink untreated water. You'll need to drink out of a Puddle. Or open your mouth outside and get rain, or drink out of a stream, or a lake.

Water is a nutrient. It's part of any diet. And ostensibly what it contains affects nutrition. According to Paleo Diet authors cavemen drank untreated water, drank out of ponds, etc for supposedly tens of thousands of years, therefore we are 'evolved' to do it, including you, and your children. So according to them, there would supposedly be No reason for you to worry about becoming infected with Giardia, Amoebas, Cholera, or any other infectious parasites or diseases from drinking out of a rain puddle in the middle of the woods, nevermind the chance of becoming infected with Cryptosporidia, Coliform bacteria, Helminth worms, hepatitis A, etc, because obviously you've been 'evolved' and designed to do just that, for tens of thousands of years. If you drink bottled water or water from your house, you're Not paleo. You won't be on an actual paleolithic diet which is the entire theory on which this is based, eating what they did is what we were designed for and is the healthiest. So to be on The Paleo Diet, you, and your family, will need to go outside and drink out of puddles, streams, lakes, or drink Pond Water. Apparently that's the best.

It has also been shown that Grains help prevent cancer, and meat, including plain unprocessed meat, has been shown to be associated with Diabetes, a whole host of Cancers, Throat Cancer, Oesophagus Cancer, Stomach Cancer, Ovarian Cancer, Breast Cancer in girls, Aggressive Prostate Cancer in Men... If mankind was evolved and perfectly designed for this, then why does it, including clean un-processed, grass fed, pasture raised meat lead to human cancer? And plants and grain fight cancer and actually has a protective effect. The reason is because the Paleo Diet has nothing to do with the actual paleolithic diet, or proper medicine or nutrition, and is based on flawed science. Many of the authors are not Archaeologists or Paleontologists. Actual paleontologists have shown the Paleo Diet is wrought with fallacious theories, myths, and nutritionally dangerous mis-information.

The Paleolithic Diet, as put forth by these authors in their diet books, has for some time now been revealed by actual Science to be entirely debunked.

well... I think different people react to different things....there's not a trace of cancer in my family or in my husbands and we come from generations of omnivores...(I'm sure the same can be said for families of Vegans) there are also many studies that have shown grains to cause diabetes, inflammation,bloating and other auto immune diseases... I wonder who is the funding behind both types of studies... whether it be meat or grain...

what was mentioned is that scientists did find starch residues from roots of ferns medicinal flowers and marsh plants.. it's undecided about whether they were grains....

none of your above links lead me to the actual study....unless I missed it...which is quite possible....but one of the studies says... "suggests" NOT indefinite proof....

you say real anthropologist and paleontologists have proved this to fallacious, but I haven't read any actual studies to the contrary, and I'm studying to become the latter... but I'll talk to my professors....
it's always good to keep an open mind about certain things... esp one's diet...

I think you're going a bit to the extreme with the whole pond water bit... you seem very militant...something to which I have learned to be wary...

I can tell you for sure that the psoriasis and eczema I had during the time I consumed heavy grains and legumes completely disappeared away when I eliminated them.... I consume a lot lamb, fish, fruits and vegetables...(sometimes beef) I'm allergic to nuts.. ;-/

you can't tell me that the gluten in wheat is good for you....or corn...

I have recently incorporated into my diet, Spelt (contains no gluten) with no adverse affect...

if our early ancestors who were hunter gatherers really did eat processed food, then great! I'll go have some VanDeKamp fish sticks right now! :-))))

we'll see though....only time can tell...

but more than likely, it'll be like trying to get the whole of Christendom to decided on only ONE interpretation of the Bible... :-))))