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UC's Lower Asian Admissions: What do you think about this?

W_C 2009/04/25 00:20:43
WTF? Why are the UC's taking affirmative action for whites?
Asians are over-populating UC Schools. They need more diveristy.
Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
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The UC's are taking a new admissions process that will lower then number of Asians admitted. The University of California system is going reduce the number Asians admitted in hopes of more Whites being admitted. Asians make up about 40% of all undergraduates at UC's. Some are calling it "affirmative action for whites" and it really kind of is. Asians only make up 12% of California's population, but it makes up an average of 50% of students at UC's.

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  • Torchy 2009/04/25 00:27:23 (edited)
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Torchy
    +4
    In this day and age, I see no reason at all for universities to just allow students in based on their academic achievement instead of trying to meet some quotas. They'd probably have less drop out rates and a more stimulating learning environment. In college it sucked being in the same class room as Joe Schmoe who only averaged a 2.0 in high school and is smoking and drinking his brain cells to death, and then having him try to participate in a discussion and bringing nothing valid to the table; but you know he's there because he's black/hispanic/asian/non-trad, whatever. We had a non-trad my last two years of college in the theatre department that essentially terrorized the staff and was the bane of all the students because working with him was worse than taking a rusty spoon and gouging out your eyes. But he was there to meet a quota and we couldn't argue with that.

    Let people prove themselves for what they're really worth instead of being judged by their ethnicity.

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  • pdshanny 2009/05/03 00:26:18
    WTF? Why are the UC's taking affirmative action for whites?
    pdshanny
    I don't care! I have never worked with anyone just out of a university who knew anything. It is just as easy to train someone out of high school, some times easyer.
  • cjj ~ FTGOP 2009/04/28 21:44:18
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    cjj ~ FTGOP
    In a world where we here the cry "discrimination" every place we turn, it would seem that a major step be made toward the concept of hard work gets you someplace regardless of your skin color or ethnicity. Getting rid of affirmative action is a step toward equality for all!
  • K-ZOOMI-----0 2009/04/28 19:14:39
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    K-ZOOMI-----0
    Addmissions should always be by grades and merits, NOT QUOTAS!
  • Brian Kemp (oYo) 2009/04/28 15:32:23
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Brian Kemp (oYo)
    Seriously, why do we feel the need to engineer society?
  • big di 2009/04/27 23:14:46
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    big di
  • red37cash 2009/04/27 18:09:17
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    red37cash
    They started Affirmative action to "try" and balance all the inequality which whites didn't and wouldn't address from centuries of slavery.I would also imagine that Asian were included because of being interred during World War 2.I also think that Affirmative action could've/can work if properly monitored but the people who set it up did it so that that couldn't happen.Needless to say that if blacks,Asains,Mexican,etc were made to feel like Americans from the jump we wouldn't have to deal with this but because of the prevalent attitudes reflected on this website and society at large this will take longer to remedy.It is written in the Constitution that blacks were only to be considered 3/5 of a human being,and as far as I know this hasn't been amended(I could be wrong and I often am).It would be senseless to comment on how much racism and prejudice is still alive.America still hasn't properly address this issue and think it's over simply beause we have elected a President of color.
  • big di red37cash 2009/04/27 23:28:05
    big di
    Emigres from Europe during the 19th and early 20th centuries who came through Ellis Island (my grandparents on both sides were some of these immigrants) knew that they had to "assimilate" - they learned English, they got jobs, they worked their butts off for the American dream, and they worked even harder to become Americans, AND American citizens.

    They didn't pi** and moan about how the WASPS were "keeping 'em down" or discriminating against them - heck, EVERY ethnic group hated every OTHER ethnic group (hence the epithets: heimie, n**ger, kike, spik, wop, kraut, polack, etc, ad nauseum). But they got along because they had to - because, in order to assimilate and become an American, they ALL had to keep their noses clean.

    There was no such thing as "cultural diversity" - if you wanted to honor your native culture, you did it at home, with your family; you didn't try to cram it down everyone else's throat. AND, again, EVERYONE learned ENGLISH!!!

    "Affirmative Action" came out of the 60s when a bunch of brain-dead mental-midgets decided that, if they couldn't get ahead on their talents and brains, they would play the "minority" or the "race" card, NOT because they'd worked extra hard and EARNED the right to an expensive college education, but because they had NOT!
  • Bill 2009/04/26 23:43:46
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Bill
    Isn't it great living in a democracy? I think so.
  • harrietb98 2009/04/26 20:02:34
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    harrietb98
    I think that it is better that all students are admitted on the basis of grades and effort.
  • maker 2009/04/26 19:24:18
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    maker
    UC is WAY OUT OF LINE HERE!!!!
  • O'Grady 2009/04/26 02:35:49
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    O'Grady
    And it is affirmative action for whites, as far as I can tell. I think affirmative action, in any form, is wrong.
  • Will 2009/04/25 22:43:43
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Will
    I really don't like this answer either. The idea of affirmative action was and is to allow everyone equal opportunity to succeed. I know that many feel that everyone has the same opportunity to succed in this day and age. The reality is the poor are still left behind. We have a social class that is being left behind. The real question is are white residents being denied access to schools to let minorities in? I think that would be a crime. The truth is that more Asian Americans are trying to get into college. The dessire for college is not there for many of our youth. This has always been a problem for our nations poor. Now it seems it is affecting middle class America. Affirmative action is not a bad thing when it is effectively monitored. The problem is it has never been truly monitored. It always leaves room for those to abuse the system and to deny privaledges to those who really want an education. Affirmative action should work to include more not exclude more.
  • peji Will 2009/04/26 02:26:16
    peji
    The college admission process has become insane. Kids have to spend every waking moment taking 6 or 7 AP classes and doing sports and extracurricular activities to make it into top schools. Read "Doing School" by Denise Pope. Some parents are willing to turn their children into school-bots and some of the backlash is against certain ethnic groups which are notorious for that. Many more students are trying to get into college than can get in so you correct assertion that "Affirmative action should work to include more not exclude more." is simply not possible as things stand. It is a zero-sum game.
  • big di Will 2009/04/27 23:37:42
    big di
    Back in the 70s-80s (it WAS quite awhile ago), a potential student at UC Berkeley named (Steven?) Bakke successfully sued the university on a charge of "reverse discrimination," because he had been excluded from admission due to the "quota system" Berkeley was using at the time. He argued, successfully, that students with lower grades and less academic excellence were admitted and he was denied, all on the basis of skin color. Unfortunately, the media portrayed him as a "crybaby" and "sore loser," and probably destroyed any credibility he may have had in his future career endeavors.
  • Patti The Yes Fan 2009/04/25 13:25:20
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Patti  The Yes Fan
    Its not about color, its not about nationality, it should be about initiative.
  • GoodbyeRick 2009/04/25 05:34:12
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    GoodbyeRick
    +1
    Diversity is reverse-racism. Just go by the SATs and GPAs and activities.

    If they want true "diversity," give a break to poor kids. Green is the only color that matters, in terms of opportunity.
  • cincin88 2009/04/25 04:25:38
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    cincin88
    +1
    it seems like grades and effort would be the way into college! that is all it should be about!
  • E.G. 2009/04/25 04:22:27
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    E.G.
    What? Too simple? *grin*
  • 1oct1 "Marko" 2009/04/25 03:46:25
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    1oct1 "Marko"
    No names, just grades. No colors, just grades. Anything else is just silly to me.
  • HeliAce 2009/04/25 01:09:21
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    HeliAce
    +1
    Living proof that equality still doesn't exist.
  • J.Switchblade*Mrs.Punk Zombie* 2009/04/25 00:49:08
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    J.Switchblade*Mrs.Punk Zombie*
    DUH that would make much more sense
  • AZNangel715 2009/04/25 00:33:40
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    AZNangel715
    +1
    WOW. I feel offended! So basically they'll accept any white student that applies to get in? Even if their grades are horrible and all they care about are all the crazy parties? That's a load of bullshit. That's so racist! Oh my god I can't think straight. If an Asian student deserves to get into the school, then should! Why would you have settle for your 2nd choice school because your 1st choice doesn't like what ethnicity you are?
  • Goodbye... AZNange... 2009/04/25 05:36:09
    GoodbyeRick
    +1
    Now you know how white kids at Michigan U felt when the admissions policies favored non-whites. :) I agree -- it's all racism, and it all sucks.
  • peji AZNange... 2009/04/25 15:26:49 (edited)
    peji
    +1
    First, that's quite a negative image you have of White students ("..even if their grades are horrible...and all the crazy parties.")! Second, no any "White student that applies" will not be accepted and being a good student is not limited to Asians. Third, why do we capitalize "Asian student" but not "White student"...prejudice can be subtle, eh?

    You have to understand that for many years, to paraphrase your sentence, "White kids" had to settle for their 2nd choice school because of their ethnicity. At that time it would have worked in your favor but students of other ethnic backgrounds began to find unwelcoming attitudes at the disproportionately Asian UC campuses so White top applicants stopped choosing them. UCs are trying to right the imbalance. Correct or not, social engineering makes some sense, but it is hard on the over-served population of the moment!
  • Goodbye... peji 2009/04/25 15:32:30
    GoodbyeRick
    In her defense... white isn't capitalized because it's a color, where Asian is a proper noun relating to the region, Asia. But I agree, if we're going to call people Asian or Asian-American, we should call whites European or Euro-Americans. Using all the fancy terms, only for non-whites, *is* derrogatory.

    But... I don't think social engineering is *ever* a good idea. The marketplace will force colleges to be more open, because they'll need more than Euro-American money to survive.

    The only color that matters is green. :)
  • peji Goodbye... 2009/04/25 19:16:01 (edited)
    peji
    ..yes, but my point was that in this context "white" was used as a parallel to "Asian" which is, as you so aptly put it, slightly derogatory. I grow weary of the general tendency of treating any group of Whatever-Americans as an undifferentiated unit. The variation within groups is just as great as the variation between groups! Socio-economics make a much bigger difference as does how your parents view education!

    However, I felt AZNangel715's remarks had a distinctly racist quality to them, whether she meant it or not. I know some pretty smart Euro-Americans and some lazy Asian-Americans AND vice-versa! Everyone should just dump all the Ethnocentric thinking and naming which leads to prejudice. Everyone came here to be, uhm, US-Americans?
  • Goodbye... peji 2009/04/26 00:17:48
    GoodbyeRick
    I didn't read her comments that way. But I agree -- let's drop all the hyphenated b.s. and just be Americans.
  • peji Goodbye... 2009/04/26 02:17:08
    peji
    She said, "So basically they'll accept any white student that applies to get in? Even if their grades are horrible and all they care about are all the crazy parties?" which sounds pretty racist to me. But maybe it is because an African-American (pardon my hyphen but it is pertinent to the story) girl we know rejected a full UC Regents scholarship at Cal because she had had such negative experiences with Asians in her school who wouldn't share notes or join study groups with non-Asians and viewed every one else as intellectually deficient. And this girl is a lovely woman who is no lightweight; she went to Princeton! Cal's loss; you can see why they have a problem and why that poster's words came across as a little Asian-centric to me.
  • TheDogWalker~In Ayn Rand I ... 2009/04/25 00:31:59
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    TheDogWalker~In Ayn Rand I Trust
    +2
    Universities have no business considering race, creed, colour, etc as bases for admission; only grades and other merit factors.
  • peji TheDogW... 2009/04/25 19:26:35
    peji
    ...they started doing it years ago to help make up for the fact that children don't get to pick their parents, and immigrants and others on the low end of the socio-economic group needed help to catch up. I don't think it was the right way to fix the problem; It was unfair and angered qualified students that lost out to less qualified students. But at least their hearts were in the right place...we must give them that. Now the imbalance created by affirmative action is in need of fixing...never ends!
  • TheDogW... peji 2009/04/25 23:08:18
    TheDogWalker~In Ayn Rand I Trust
    +1
    Maybe, but as they say " The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Whether the university and government officials know it, or like it, affirmative action tells the recipient that they are not smart enough to do well or get ahead without the help of the bureaucrats, and cheapens the achievements of those minority students who get ahead without affirmative action. Better to support private charities like Boys and Girls Clubs which offer help in such areas to any kid who asks for it.
  • peji TheDogW... 2009/04/26 02:00:36
    peji
    +1
    true! And Head-start and public education in general.
  • Torchy 2009/04/25 00:27:23 (edited)
    Why can't Universities ever just admit students based on grades and effort?
    Torchy
    +4
    In this day and age, I see no reason at all for universities to just allow students in based on their academic achievement instead of trying to meet some quotas. They'd probably have less drop out rates and a more stimulating learning environment. In college it sucked being in the same class room as Joe Schmoe who only averaged a 2.0 in high school and is smoking and drinking his brain cells to death, and then having him try to participate in a discussion and bringing nothing valid to the table; but you know he's there because he's black/hispanic/asian/non-trad, whatever. We had a non-trad my last two years of college in the theatre department that essentially terrorized the staff and was the bane of all the students because working with him was worse than taking a rusty spoon and gouging out your eyes. But he was there to meet a quota and we couldn't argue with that.

    Let people prove themselves for what they're really worth instead of being judged by their ethnicity.

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