TRINITY!
The Qur'an Project
2012/08/05 11:22:10
Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only
One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of
them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask His forgiveness, when God is
Most Forgiving, Most Merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other
messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both
ate food [like other mortals]. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how
deluded they are. Say, “How can you worship something other than God, that has no
power to do you harm or good? God alone is the All Hearing and All Knowing.”
[QURAN Chapter 5, Verses 73-76]
Hebrews 9: 14how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?..... Interesting you bought up this scriptures Sandi many people don’t see what it true meaning is and I do mean those appointed as learned in scriptural understanding here. So bear with me while I walk thought this as it is very important. Ok here we are talking about part of the ransom Jesus gave for our sins “” how much more will the blood of the Christ,”” the next part speaks of who Jesus is again I draw you back to Michael this is “””an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God”” notice here the words “”TO GOD”” ( Michael came from the Heavens born as Jesus to redeem us for Adam failings ) the last part speaks ...
Hebrews 9: 14how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?..... Interesting you bought up this scriptures Sandi many people don’t see what it true meaning is and I do mean those appointed as learned in scriptural understanding here. So bear with me while I walk thought this as it is very important. Ok here we are talking about part of the ransom Jesus gave for our sins “” how much more will the blood of the Christ,”” the next part speaks of who Jesus is again I draw you back to Michael this is “””an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God”” notice here the words “”TO GOD”” ( Michael came from the Heavens born as Jesus to redeem us for Adam failings ) the last part speaks of God’s holy spirit “”[the] living God?”” this is the spirit of God which exist in all living flesh on Earth. I know it is hard to accept and can be confusing to many but it does give proof how Michael and Jesus are the same else the trinity would consist of four, Jehovah, Michael, Jesus and holy spirit as all separate can you see this ??
Psalms 100: 3Know that Jehovah is God.
It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves.
[We are] his people and the sheep of his pasturage..... the reason why I haven’t added to the meaning of the Psalms is two firstly the Book of Psalms is a book of song wrote in praise of Jehovah and this passage also reflects this as do the others so many mistake the Psalms as scripture which is false.
When you said Jn did you mean Jg 1:3 ??
Genesis1: 2Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.... I am not sure where you are coming from here as this scripture speaks of God’s holy spirit moving around the Earth during the time of creation, interesting to note this scripture tells us the Earth is round not flat long before Columbus set out to prove
I have had this coversation in the past there is no trinity never was never will be.
The scriptures say the earth has edges and points, not round at all, it said the earth is a circle with is NOT like a ball at all.
The bible also says that rabbits chew their cud, that snakes can talk. and that snails will melt.
Get over your fantasies and superstitions.
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
now the Eygptians may have under their idol worship of stone carved man made god images some kind of belief that a tinity exist but as I said Jehovah and Jesus do not make a trinity ( hence the term three as one ) two does not become three never did never will.
You are going to do much better than that. Even the scripture you quote shows clearly that the earth is not a sphere and only a circle. There is an enormous difference for any person to see.
Psalm 104:5
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth
Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH:
also you might want to stop using psalm as I dont believe in using songs written to sing to Jehovah for the word of Jehovah or Jesus. just wanted you to know we do know what a song is and what is the word of God.
""""Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree"""""
this speaks about the four horseman who are held back waiting Jesus command four corners ='s north, east, south and west. they are the lines of the division upon Earth, it surprise's me a man as leanard as yourself could not see this simple meaning.
again """""Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH:"""""
we are looking at NORTH< EAST< SOUTH and WEST.
was it after they invaded Jerusalem and found the remaining Hebrew scriptures?
K Yes Eve stole the fruit and gave it to Adam and yes Eve was the sinner ( btw sin means not perfect just for reference ), now Adam supported Eve just the same as men support their wife today. Interesting how that has never changed don't you think?
Adam was the father of all human's prior to Jesus's Ransom just bear that in mind for a moment will return to it shortly
Now Adam was the first son of Jehovah made out of dust to become a living soul, this was the breath of God ....
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now when Jesus was born he became the second son of Jehovah (commonly called only begotten or beloved son ) people often forget Adam was a son of God. But Adam was cast out of God’s love because of his disloyalty (choosing to stand with Eve instead of his father) and hence was cast out of Eden and made mortal sin instead of perfect as he once was. And death the price Adam and Eve received for the wages of their sin.
Hence we see here Adam first son of God in flesh, next Jesus is born second son of God in flesh. Jesus acce...
was it after they invaded Jerusalem and found the remaining Hebrew scriptures?
K Yes Eve stole the fruit and gave it to Adam and yes Eve was the sinner ( btw sin means not perfect just for reference ), now Adam supported Eve just the same as men support their wife today. Interesting how that has never changed don't you think?
Adam was the father of all human's prior to Jesus's Ransom just bear that in mind for a moment will return to it shortly
Now Adam was the first son of Jehovah made out of dust to become a living soul, this was the breath of God ....
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now when Jesus was born he became the second son of Jehovah (commonly called only begotten or beloved son ) people often forget Adam was a son of God. But Adam was cast out of God’s love because of his disloyalty (choosing to stand with Eve instead of his father) and hence was cast out of Eden and made mortal sin instead of perfect as he once was. And death the price Adam and Eve received for the wages of their sin.
Hence we see here Adam first son of God in flesh, next Jesus is born second son of God in flesh. Jesus accepted to buy out Humans and adopt them as his children instead of those before him still belonging to Adam as father, in order to do this Jesus had to become a Ransom price to pay back the blood of Adams wages. Now Jesus adopted all who accept Jesus as their father and removed their sin from them, But death still remains until the Judgement day comes and the curse of Adam and Eve is fully taken away.
If you are following by now you would have worked out that in order to balance the scales it requires the blood of one son to repay for the other hence the term blood of the lamb.
Why do men suffer it is because two thing
One Satan is still on Earth influencing all the governmental controllers with material trinkets like gold.
Two not all men have accepted the gift Jesus gave with the ransom or shown a loyalty worthy of being freed from suffering to Jesus. I know my life changed greatly thanks to Jesus and Jehovah once I accepted but that is another topic.
Your other questions I can answer each in tern but tonight at this hour I will just leave you with the thought’s above and I appreciate you sharing the comparisons with the Quran, question how many versions of the Quran are there?... cause this is different to one I was once given
I do thank you for considering and open minded view and discussion in our Christian cultures I believe we can learn a lot from eachother if we truly reason for truth and not self centered ideals.
if you have sex does that make it a sin?
if you break the law of man does that make it a sin?
if you lie to God just as Adam did when Eve stole the fruit does that make it a sin?
if you bake a cake in a perfect pan and it comes out beautiful then you drop that pan and it gets a big dent in it does it then produce perfect cakes like the first one any more?
remember the bible speak of sin and death entering the world though Adam eating the fruit. now does that make eating a sin?
also consider if sin did not mean perfect and meant disobeying then why do men and women not all look the same or remain perfect with every lasting life?
yes Death causes humans to age and die just as God said on that day you will surely die ( but what Adam and eve didn't understand was it was a day in God's time not human terms ), also if sin did not mean perfect state why then are the things human make to have better lives not made in a perfect state considering humans would still be perfect if sin means disobeying Jehovah?
I understand it is a lot to take in but just consider it :-)))
Jesus had the choice to stay or go. The mere fact that he asked if this could pass shows this.Jesus, by his own free choice, decided to stay.
You wackos are still murdering people for their beliefs.
Maybe you think it's ok to force your wife into having sex with you, you know RAPE her, but you see, MY God doesn't. I will fight you guys to the death if needed. I will NOT submit to the devil.
If yes, why did he resist..?
Matthew 26:39
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
for what god carved by the human hand can full fill any request?.... Jehovah hears prayers and does send what people need.
Remember Jesus the Messiah he came to earth and gave up his life as a Ransom so that all Human life could be saved.
Hebrews 9: 14how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?..... how beautiful is Jehovah to give humans a second chance?
Why are we being punished for Adam's sin after *
he ate the forbidden fruit?..i
Isn't the problem of adam alone not ours?..i *
Why was jesus punished because of adam's sin for *
the sake of criminals?..i
What is the wisdom of God to let his( son) to be killed by jews?..i *
Where is the mercy of the father toward his son?..i *
Is there any other salvation method less bloody..?
Did jesus know that he was going to be crucified..?
If yes, why did he resist..?
Did he go voluntarily or unwillingly..?
When he was crucified!, did he feel the pain and the punishment
as a human or as a Lord..?
If the crucifixion is a good deed! did everyone participated
in this conspiracy went to paradise or to hell..?
Do you agree with Pope when he declared the innocence to Jews..?
Does it mean they didn't kill him..?
Or they did but it was a good deed so they are innocent..?
How do you accept that Mr X must be crucified to
forgive the sin of Mr Y..?
Do you believe in this story..?
Isn't contradictory and contrary with this version in the bible:..
children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers
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In Islam: ..
Adam was responsible for his sin, and he asked his lord to forgive him and ALLAH accepted his repent...
Why are we being punished for Adam's sin after *
he ate the forbidden fruit?..i
Isn't the problem of adam alone not ours?..i *
Why was jesus punished because of adam's sin for *
the sake of criminals?..i
What is the wisdom of God to let his( son) to be killed by jews?..i *
Where is the mercy of the father toward his son?..i *
Is there any other salvation method less bloody..?
Did jesus know that he was going to be crucified..?
If yes, why did he resist..?
Did he go voluntarily or unwillingly..?
When he was crucified!, did he feel the pain and the punishment
as a human or as a Lord..?
If the crucifixion is a good deed! did everyone participated
in this conspiracy went to paradise or to hell..?
Do you agree with Pope when he declared the innocence to Jews..?
Does it mean they didn't kill him..?
Or they did but it was a good deed so they are innocent..?
How do you accept that Mr X must be crucified to
forgive the sin of Mr Y..?
Do you believe in this story..?
Isn't contradictory and contrary with this version in the bible:..
children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers
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In Islam: ..
Adam was responsible for his sin, and he asked his lord to forgive him and ALLAH accepted his repentance as in the QURAN:..
Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful
We said: Get ye down all from here: and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve
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Islam does not accept the story of salvation and crucfixion as in QURAN:
That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them
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In Islam, every one is responsible to what he (she) does as in Quran: ..
Say:Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah: He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed
ALL OF YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!
for what is gold compare to the hand that moulds it?