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Time Magazine Cover Shows Mom Breastfeeding 4-Year-Old Son: Did They Go Too Far?

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If you're interested in these sorts of things, you've probably heard of "attachment parenting," in which mothers breastfeed for longer than the recommended six months to one year, partake in "co-sleeping" with their children and wear the kids in BabyBjorns. Well, Time magazine chose to take a look at the philosophy for their May 21 cover story, which they illustrate by featuring a mother breastfeeding her nearly 4-year-old son on the cover.

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While some are calling the image overly sensational, it does illustrate the parenting method espoused by Dr. Bill Sears. Time takes a look at how Sears came to his philosophy, and interviews moms who believe in his theories, like "cover mom" Jamie Lynne Grumet. Of course, the mom they chose for the cover is 26, blonde, slim and attractive (we're just sayin'...). Do you think the cover goes too far?
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  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/05/10 22:07:26 (edited)
    Yes
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +23
    Breast feeding a 4 year old? If your kid is big enough to stand and ask you for food, he's big enough to use a fork.

    Also, where are the fathers in all of this? I can't imagine there are very many men on board with this, and if they are, they're lying.

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  • Nomad58 JuliaLoren 2012/05/14 21:35:53 (edited)
    Nomad58
    I grew up on a dairy farm and can tell you that cows are probably one of the dummiest creatures on the face of the earth. You think they feel emotions? Well, in the whole time I worked with them I never saw it.

    You attribute emotions to them because some Disney-like cartoon told you that's the way they are, when reality is far from the fantasy. You try to make a friend out of a Cow and the thing will run right over you one day. You can't blame them; they didn't think anything of it, that was the way they were going ~ you were a minor moveable object in the way.

    These "sentient beings" will lay out in a thunderstorm instead of go into an open barn (I know I've had to drive them in the middle of the night).

    A calf will nurse on the nearest cow whether it is its dam or just a handy source. If a calf dies they nuzzles it to check for life, yet so do other cows (bulls don't) and then move on. Never noticed any weeping. In fact, the domesticated bovine is less "feeling" as you put it than their wild cousins.

    Wild water buffalo will circle and protect their calves from predators. Cows will run away from stray dogs leaving the calf behind defenseless, even though they could easily stomp a dog (which a calf can't).

    Simply Cows on average mass about times humans with a brain only 1/3 the si...

    I grew up on a dairy farm and can tell you that cows are probably one of the dummiest creatures on the face of the earth. You think they feel emotions? Well, in the whole time I worked with them I never saw it.

    You attribute emotions to them because some Disney-like cartoon told you that's the way they are, when reality is far from the fantasy. You try to make a friend out of a Cow and the thing will run right over you one day. You can't blame them; they didn't think anything of it, that was the way they were going ~ you were a minor moveable object in the way.

    These "sentient beings" will lay out in a thunderstorm instead of go into an open barn (I know I've had to drive them in the middle of the night).

    A calf will nurse on the nearest cow whether it is its dam or just a handy source. If a calf dies they nuzzles it to check for life, yet so do other cows (bulls don't) and then move on. Never noticed any weeping. In fact, the domesticated bovine is less "feeling" as you put it than their wild cousins.

    Wild water buffalo will circle and protect their calves from predators. Cows will run away from stray dogs leaving the calf behind defenseless, even though they could easily stomp a dog (which a calf can't).

    Simply Cows on average mass about times humans with a brain only 1/3 the size of ours. You are giving an awful lot of credit to a domesticated lumbering giant.

    If you see no difference between a cat and a cow you should consider their encephalization quotient where brain size and body mass are factored in with a standard for mammals of epirically factor of r = 0.66 and a C constant representing the cephalization quotient. For your humans this results in an EQ = 7.44, your cat's EQ = 1.00, and a cow's EQ = 0.825
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  • GLaDOS Nomad58 2012/05/11 17:02:14
    GLaDOS
    +2
    No it's not, the "normal" weaning period for humans is between two and seven years, approximately four-and-a-half should be the average.
  • Nomad58 GLaDOS 2012/05/12 02:00:26
    Nomad58
    +1
    Based on what?
  • GLaDOS Nomad58 2012/05/12 12:16:09
    GLaDOS
    +2
    Examples. For example, the Romans believed that a child should not be totally weaned, though "weaning" simply means that they are introduced to other things (that's not how most people use it), until they were three years-old, or they had all of their baby teeth.

    And according to nature's example via other mammals:
    Katherine A. Dettwyler, a scientist with Texas A&M University, made conclusions about the natural age of weaning as follows:

    Natural Weaning Age by Dental Eruption: 5.5 - 6 years

    Most primates wean their young when the first permanent molars begin erupting. Some scientists have suggested that this is because a child's immune system reaches maturity at about this same time; a possible indicator that full immune protection was in breastmilk until fairly recently in our species' evolutionary history. Although children at this age receive little immune protection from breastmilk because of changes in our biology, some advocates of extended breastfeeding feel that this is still an emotionally natural weaning age.

    Natural Weaning Age by Adult Weight: 4 - 7 years

    In the natural world, many animals wean their young when the offspring reach approximately one third of their adult body weight. In humans, this time comes anywhere between four and seven years of age-- possibly sooner...

















    Examples. For example, the Romans believed that a child should not be totally weaned, though "weaning" simply means that they are introduced to other things (that's not how most people use it), until they were three years-old, or they had all of their baby teeth.

    And according to nature's example via other mammals:
    Katherine A. Dettwyler, a scientist with Texas A&M University, made conclusions about the natural age of weaning as follows:

    Natural Weaning Age by Dental Eruption: 5.5 - 6 years

    Most primates wean their young when the first permanent molars begin erupting. Some scientists have suggested that this is because a child's immune system reaches maturity at about this same time; a possible indicator that full immune protection was in breastmilk until fairly recently in our species' evolutionary history. Although children at this age receive little immune protection from breastmilk because of changes in our biology, some advocates of extended breastfeeding feel that this is still an emotionally natural weaning age.

    Natural Weaning Age by Adult Weight: 4 - 7 years

    In the natural world, many animals wean their young when the offspring reach approximately one third of their adult body weight. In humans, this time comes anywhere between four and seven years of age-- possibly sooner and possibly later. By this method of natural weaning, boys would be breastfed longer than girls owing to slowed growth after the toddler years for boys-- although, by other methods of determining natural weaning age, girls would be breastfed longer.

    Natural Weaning Age by Gestation Length: 4.5 years

    In large-bodied mammals, the duration of nursing is high compared to the length of gestation. Large primates like bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans-- humankind's closest relatives-- breastfeed their young for an average of six times the length of gestation. With the average gestation length in humans reaching 40 weeks, this places the natural weaning age at about four and a half years. It is interesting to note that animals with larger brains tend to nurse their young the longest, relative to the length of gestation.

    Natural Weaning Age by Adult Body Size: 2.8 -3.7 years

    Continuing to compare the human gestational length to other large primates, we might notice that gorillas and chimpanzees happen to reach one third of their adult size at around the time that they are weaned-- also the time when they reach six times their gestation length and begin to get permanent molars. All humans are different from one another, but most children will reach one third of their adult size between 2.8 and 3.7 years.

    Natural Weaning Age by Birth Weight: 25 - 32 months

    Small mammals tend to wean their young when the offspring have tripled their birth weight, although larger mammals, including intelligent primates, will more likely breastfeed until the young have attained four times the average birth weight. This calculation still presents a natural weaning age that is significantly longer than the "normal" accepted weaning age in Western culture. A conservative age estimate compared to some others, this rule of thumb indicates that weaning should begin no earlier than 25 months in humans.

    Studies have shown that a child's immune system doesn't completely mature until about 6 years of age, and it is well established that breast milk helps develop the immune system and augment it with maternal antibodies as long as breast milk is produced (up to two years, no studies have been done on breast milk composition after two years post partum).

    And on and on. The minimum predicted age for a natural age of weaning in humans is 2.5 years, with a maximum of 7.0 years.

    The above is source-derived material from the lady doctor. Of course, the whole issue with breastfeeding really started a long time ago. European nobility were "above" breastfeeding their babies, and they brought that horrible outlook with them whenever they infested new places. It was seen as "instinctive" and "natural," completely unsuitable for "civilized" man. Well, until a time in the U.S., when it was used as a means to discourage the feminist movement by encouraging breastfeeding, which kept a woman housebound, basically due to having to breastfeed every two hours.
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  • Nomad58 GLaDOS 2012/05/12 13:45:17
    Nomad58
    +1
    Exactly how advanced was Roman medicine and diet?

    I don't care about women breastfeeding in public. However, we agree that all studies indicate breast milk antibodies are compensated by 2yo. The studies you submitted from animals in the wild are irrelevant since nature alone does not have the ability to process better food sources.

    Your reach back to European nobility is a weak argument since the Aristocrats traveled among the peasants as little as possible and the lower classes outnumbered them by the hundreds of thousands. The taboo is more likely a modern occurrence with the laws against public nudity being confused with natural motherhood.

    As for the source being a female doctor that is irrelevant. You are showing your bias in concluding a male with the same information would not reach the same conclusion. Also were these studies peer reviewed?
  • GLaDOS Nomad58 2012/05/12 14:24:05
    GLaDOS
    And, then, we agree that there have been no real studies on the antibody benefits beyond two years?

    Weaning should happen naturally. The child will move off of breast milk at their own pace. Most children wean between 3 and 4, naturally, without urging for or against.
  • imsmarter Nomad58 2012/05/11 20:38:33
    imsmarter
    Who determines what is "normal" you? Nope. This is NORMAL for me.
  • Nomad58 imsmarter 2012/05/12 02:05:52
    Nomad58
    +1
    I rely on when the studies reveal the nutrients provided from breast milk are the same as those occurring in natural foods. It takes more energy for the mother to generate the milk than the child to derive the same substance for another food source.

    So no it is not me, it's Science.
  • imsmarter Nomad58 2012/05/12 18:22:56 (edited)
    imsmarter
    Actually there are several studies showing that extended breastfeed is beneficial. Would you like me to share them with you? Also, you may not know... but human milk contains stem cells. Find me a food that contains them. I'd love to know the science that can show that.
  • Nomad58 imsmarter 2012/05/12 18:28:20
    Nomad58
    I would like to see the studies, thank you.
  • imsmarter Nomad58 2012/05/12 19:31:14
  • DotCom 2012/05/11 15:26:34
    Yes
    DotCom
    +3
    Unethical....
  • JuliaLoren DotCom 2012/05/11 15:56:22
  • DebraJM... JuliaLoren 2012/05/11 20:22:22
    DebraJMSmith
    +1
    Wrong! What's unethical is letting your four year old child suck on your boob!
  • JuliaLoren DebraJM... 2012/05/14 13:49:35
    JuliaLoren
    how is that unethical? i see nothing wrong with it, the cover doesnt depict it as it is, the mother wouldnt just be standing there like that, its obviously for shock value, and its working apparently. most mothers who are smart enough to breastfeed do it modestly, and in the case of older children, im sure a lot of mothers use the pump and feed their kids from sippy cups like their other drinks until they are fully weaned.
  • DebraJM... JuliaLoren 2012/05/14 18:27:30
    DebraJMSmith
    I'm sure you don't.
  • JuliaLoren DebraJM... 2012/05/14 18:34:43
    JuliaLoren
    yes..... thats why i said that....
  • DebraJM... JuliaLoren 2012/05/14 18:43:45
    DebraJMSmith
    Okay, as long as that is clear, I can go on with my day now.
  • JuliaLoren DebraJM... 2012/05/14 18:44:20
    JuliaLoren
    have fun!
  • Georgia50 2012/05/11 15:14:26 (edited)
    No
    Georgia50
    No it does not go too far. It merely demonstrates there is no fringe the mindless elites won't play to in order to sensationalize, just as there's no Judeo-Christian norm they won't savage. I hope they financially rape the daytime tv crowd. Fortunately we already have toilet paper in our home.
  • emface 2012/05/11 15:13:47
    No
    emface
    +2
    it caught YOUR attention didn't it? for a good reason. i think it's the smartest way to get out what your trying to say, be heard, and make a point. Go big or go home!!!
  • JennyDevio 2012/05/11 15:12:25
    No
    JennyDevio
    +1
    It's a breast. It's meant to give babies nourishment, not give men pleasure. People need to stop being so ridiculous.
  • ☆ Queen... JennyDevio 2012/05/11 15:51:48
    ☆ QueenAline
    your own words....BABIES (meant to give babies)..listen to YOURSELF..a 4 year old is NO baby
  • Meako JennyDevio 2012/05/11 16:06:59
    Meako
    +2
    I think breast feeding is a beautiful thing, but a four year old is too big... I mean whats the limit.. 10, 12,16 ???
  • imsmarter Meako 2012/05/11 20:45:38
    imsmarter
    +1
    the NATURAL weaning period is between 2 and 7 years of age. Pick up a damn book.
  • Meako imsmarter 2012/05/11 21:35:55
    Meako
    +3
    Who gives a chit what the book says... I have my OWN opinion and you have yours... I think four years old is tooo damn big to be breast feeding, now, that's my opinion, so go stuff it, I don't have to agree....!!!

    You can breast feed until your child is 16, I could care less....
  • imsmarter Meako 2012/05/11 21:40:30
    imsmarter
    +1
    So you can have an opinion, but no one else can? It seems like you do care, a lot. If you didn't you wouldn't be asking about limits. Worry about your own children.
  • Meako imsmarter 2012/05/11 21:46:33 (edited)
  • MO.gal Meako 2012/05/12 01:59:43
  • imsmarter Meako 2012/05/12 02:05:34
    imsmarter
    So hostile. I'd expect more from a debate with someone so "civilized". LOL.
  • Meako imsmarter 2012/05/12 02:15:54
    Meako
    +2
    You dont want a debate, you want people to agree with you, it's not like that..... sorry
  • imsmarter Meako 2012/05/12 15:31:26
    imsmarter
    no I actually don't. I want people to stop attacking women who parent this way. Actually I want people to stop attacking the way anyone parents. This cover is rediculous and offensive to all mothers, no matter what "type". It's pushing mothers to judge another and goes against any type of support mothers should have for each other. it doesnt really support the breastfeeding mommas, but anything to sell right?
  • Live Fr... imsmarter 2012/05/12 16:22:46
    Live Free Or Die
    You realize that swings both ways, right? I was told that nursing was the best way by my doc and I stood by it for as long as I could. But it wasn't easy for me and if the child needs more, you give it more, whether it's formula or food. There have been cases where the mothers' were so intent on breast feeding only that they starved their babies. In one case, the child was screaming relentlessly until it died....
  • imsmarter Live Fr... 2012/05/12 16:37:01
    imsmarter
    I'm sorry but I don't understand what that has to do with what I said. neglect is neglect. We are not talking about neglect here. We're talking about judging mothers who are doing what is best for them and their children regardless whether that means bottle or breast or nursing till 6 or putting your child in a stroller or wearing them or using cloth diapers etc.
  • Meako imsmarter 2012/05/12 17:54:50
    Meako
    +2
    I never judged any mother, my OPINION is that the kid is too old to breast feed, that is not an attack. It's simply My opinion.. I will not stand or support something that I think is completely wrong...
  • imsmarter Meako 2012/05/12 18:24:42
    imsmarter
    "I think four years old is tooo damn big to be breast feeding, now, that's my opinion, so go stuff it, I don't have to agree" seems like an attack disguised with an opinion. Maybe you need a debate class or two. Or just some class in general.
  • Live Fr... imsmarter 2012/05/12 21:54:05 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    You told her to "pick up a damn book" when she asked what the limit was 10, 12, 16? And then told her to watch her own children, as if no one else can have an opinion on this. She was not talking about you specifically and she has a right to an opinion, just like you do.
  • Meako Live Fr... 2012/05/12 22:45:13
    Meako
    +1
    thank you so very much...
  • Live Fr... Meako 2012/05/13 00:44:26
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    No problem!
  • imsmarter Live Fr... 2012/05/13 00:01:59
    imsmarter
    When did I say she didn't?

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