The Whole Abortion Argument Of 'It's The Woman's Body She Can Do What She Wants With It' Goes Flying Out The Window When The Government Tells Us What We Can Or Cannot Do With Any Other Aspect Of Our Lives.

Big Brother is trying to force people to be responsible. In a perfect world women would have babies that they could afford to care for and are willing and able to care for. We don't live in a perfect world, nor does being grown automatically make you responsible. Long ago, you sunk or swam, you did not have big brother bailing you out when you did not act responsible.

Women can do whatever you want with your body, but leave the child's body to their own choice.
I have adopted and know others that have adopted and we have fostered and I know others that have fostered.
These children deserve the same choice everyone else had.

Very good point!

Our bodies were a gift from our parents, our souls a gift from GOD, the only thing that truly belongs to us is our personality and our intellect. In your question, you want logic? From the government? Funny!

I think that this is going a-bit to far when we are being told what to eat, drink, smoke, when to sleep Etc. This is just getting to deep into ones' personal Affairs!..

Wow...
If it's your decision, the government should peel off. If one government doesn't allow best believe another one does.

They only think this cause being "Pro-Life" is equated to being Christian and the logic is "Against Christianity At All Cost"!

You get to be a certain age, you find out your parents gave you away, they didn't want you. A normal person would grow up feeling worthless their entire life. This is what you wish on unwanted unborn babies. Where is the logic? Better yet, where is the heart?

Why not put the baby up for adoption?
Many a American childless couple have to go to China, Africa, South America, Russia, to adopt a baby because of draconian "Adoption Laws" here in America.

It is a human life. I would not turn a human life over to a stranger., And at some point that child would still find out it was discarded.

Adoption is NOT about discarding your child! It is about a mother that does not feel she can care for her child or is not in a place to raise her baby so she chooses to find a loving couple to to love and care for her baby. My hubby and his brothers are adopted and love their parents ALL of them, their bio parents for giving them to such great people to be their forever family....and their parents for being such good parents.
I would rather see a baby in a loving adoptive situation then terminated any day.

There is NEVER a guarantee that the child is being handed over to good people.
And the rules, regulations, and cost of adoption has made babies an expensive commodody available only to the rich, The children go to the foster system, which spits them out on the street at age 18. Abortion ends suffering before it begins.

Well good is subjective to the mother, who is the who picks her babies parents, when she is pregnant. Most mothers have their pick of hundreds of THOUSANDsof want to be parents, of every walk of life.
Yes it can be expensive but no more so then IVF treatments which can be extreamly wasteful. We went the cheaper route by getting our cert's through fostering kids which was very eye opening. In the last few years(going on 2.5 now) of fostering kids/babies there have only been 2 that were availabile for adoption and they were spoken for already. You NEVER have infants open for adoption in fostercare unless they are "damaged" autistic/downs/drug or booze that cooked their brain and even then their are people who are there for those babies.
Adopting a healthy newborn/infant ..you have a better chance of winning the lotto.
Elective abortion ends a persons life...and no ones life is without suffering that is a part of life. Have you ever read the book "A boy named It"? No one has a perfect life.

Elective abortion ends suffering before it begins. Adoption is human trafficking.

Ends who's suffering? Who knows or assumes a child will suffer or have a nice life before he/she is born? And who gets to make the call to say who should be born? I know several children adopted by ordinary people, hardworking loving families. You are right, nothing in life is guaranteed, but it does not stop the world and life, and we as humans are just that! Human, fallible, make mistakes, but have done many great things as well.

Nice response!!!

So the alternative is to just kill the baby? How's that not the ultimate discarding of a child.

so you think it better to give it to an unknown to do whatever they want with it? I prefer to send it back to the Lord, where I know it is safe

That's wrong.

What is wrong is that there are already plenty of children in this world starving to death that should be taken care of before more are brought into this it.

So, kill it?

Women who get pregnant are not baby supplies for all the childless couples in the country.

On any given day there are over 140,000 children waiting to be adopted and will NEVER find a loving family of their own. Please explain to me WHY they are never adopted and will never have a family of their own???? Yet you want every women who does not want hers to put another child into foster care. That is without a doubt the most outrageous suggestion ever!

Infants available for adoption are FAR and few between...and most of the kids in foster care are not available to be adopted because their parents, or family members are unwilling to give them up....but are not fit to care for them. Look at the foster care stats:
http://www.childwelfare.gov/p...

Who said anything about infants. If you people were not so damn fussy ALL children would be adopted. Until they are, you have no right to force others to be suppliers for you.


'More than 100,000 children in the United States are in foster care waiting for permanent families. Hundreds of thousands of children around the world are living in orphanages or substitute care and need homes'

http://photolisting.adoption....

Because we are talking about elective abortion and if a mama is pregnant and decides to adopt her baby out then that child will never see foster care. The majority of kids in fostercare are not available to be adopted because their unfitparent(or family memeber) will not give up parental rights. So when the rights are FINALLY terminated the child has been bounced around and end up with problems from that or they feel they are to old to be properly placed and should age out.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/progra...

I am only looking at the US because I think domestic adoption and fostercare should be first and formost for American's. (Not that kids in other parts of the world are anyless important but that it's is so much more complicated to go outside the US to make your family.)

Plus MANY kids (infants on up) have health problems(You know when the mom does lots of booze/drugs whiel they are carring their baby or has some other issuse) that makes them a challange to place because people are scared they can not provide the care the child needs. So they are in the system till they age out and are put into the SSI type system.

The 140,000 children in foster care every day ARE available to be adopted and NEVER are. THAT IS A FACT.

The issue is that adoptive parent are just too damn fussy about what they want as a potential child that they are not willing to just have a child, they want a 'prescription' child to fit into their perfect family.

The pro-fetus people are not even looking at the entire issue here. The issue has nothing to do with adoption at all. THey simply want the fetus to be born and then they totally forget about what happens to those infants once they are born and are not perfect.

Cause children is not what childless couples want. They want to adopt a baby and raise it for life.

Other women are not the baby suppliers for those who simply want an infant.

It's pretty simple as I see it. If you choose to have sex use 2-3 forms of BC EVERYTIME to stop unintended babies and sharing of STD's. (and I am not talking about the 1% of rape/incest cases but to the MAJORITY of reasons given for elective abortions).
If they make the choice to have opps sex and become pregnant to do the right thing for the baby they made together and find a couple that wants a child...instead of making their unborn child pay the price for their irresponsable pleasure. It's a win win. The bio mama can live her life having learned to be more careful or wait till she is ready for what comes from sex and the child can live their life. It's not about being baby suppliers...it's about doing the right thing for their child that did not ask to be there but is.

Every thing seems black and white to you. It is not.

When I was married, I could not used birth control pills, was allergic to latex and had an IUD that caused to much damage that it took me over 4 years to recover from it. YOur idea of using more than 2 method of birth control for some people is out regeious considering that the doctors REFUSED to do a tubal ligation because they did not believe I did not want another child.

Grow up and start looking at reality it is not what you think.

That is not true.

What is not true????

Because no one adopts. Only 2% of people in America have adopted a child. The likelihood is that a lot of kids in the system will never be adopted. Especially if they're not cute, white, male infants.

There's also an emotional toll on the birth-mother after putting their child up for adoption: http://www.helium.com/items/1...

Adoption's not as easy as you think.

No adoption is not easy....but nothing worthwhile ever is.
And I know SO many people waiting to adopt. Most are like us and could care less what heritage the child is....but it's pricey and takes usally 3-6 years of jumping through hoops and waiting....and waiting...and waiting. That can be very discouraging to most people. I think there are less and less babies to adopt because of abortion....adopting an infant ...well you have better chances of winning the lotto then adopting a newborn(I actually know 3 people that have won BIG with the lotto and one VERY lucky couple, winning even BIGGER in my opinion, that adopted a newborn girl {of mixed heratage I should add and they could care less}).
It takes YEARS for a toddler in foster care to have parental rights terminated so they can be in a forever home...a long, tedious process even when the parents are in prison/abuse cases ect.

It doesn't matter why people aren't adopting. The fact is that only 2% of people are actually adopting. Why put more kids into that situation?
And the fact is that white, male infants with no mental problems are the kids in highest demand for adoption. If you don't fit in that category the chances of you being adopted are even smaller.

This is what I said to Mimosa:
Well good is subjective to the mother, who is the who picks her babies parents, when she is pregnant. Most mothers have their pick of hundreds of THOUSANDsof want to be parents, of every walk of life.
Yes it can be expensive but no more so then IVF treatments which can be extreamly wasteful. We went the cheaper route by getting our cert's through fostering kids which was very eye opening. In the last few years(going on 2.5 now) of fostering kids/babies there have only been 2 that were availabile for adoption and they were spoken for already. You NEVER have infants open for adoption in fostercare unless they are "damaged" autistic/downs/drug or booze that cooked their brain and even then their are people who are there for those babies.
Adopting a healthy newborn/infant ..you have a better chance of winning the lotto.
Elective abortion ends a persons life...and no ones life is without suffering that is a part of life. Have you ever read the book "A boy named It"? No one has a perfect life.

In Canada adoption is free and there is exactly the same rhetoric coming out of the mouths of anti-choice people. The money is a smoke screen and has nothing to do with the issue at all.

If the child is deemed adoptable by the state, there is no parental rights left.

That is SO NOT how it works here in the US at all. One foster family I know started caring for a 9-10 month old baby girl, that they wanted to adopt, whose bio mom had 4 of her other kids taken away because of her drug abuse issuses then she had "Emmi" and the courts still worked and worked with her for years
to keep the "family" together with drug rehab(did not work) visitations(she would come cranked out) ...she fought very hard (in court at least) to keep her rights. After 5 YEARS of BS the court FINALLY terminated her rights and they had another 2 years of waiting for it to be finalized.
Our system needs work. On a side note the cranker mama became pregnant again while all this was going on and that little boy was removed and my friends are trying to get custody of him and eventually adopt him. So he and his older sis can be raised together. He has suffered from the effects of his bio mom's drug use but is a SUPER sweet little one:)